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[JeremyG]

http://www.fullconta...showtopic=71611First of all, NO NEED TO LOCK A THREAD, especially when the MOD doesn't even know the correct answer.Any room that follows Robert's Rules, or the WSOP rules will follow the rule that a player MUST BE IN HIS/HER SEAT PRIOR TO THE 2nd CARD BEING DEALT TO THE DEALER POSITION.If NOT, the hand is FORFEITED.You can see an example of this on the WSOP Tunica broadcast (the one that Daniel won) when the BB was in the bathroom. He comes back, his hands are ALREADY MUCKED (the dealer mucked them right after dealing). He had a confused look on his face, and the announcers even commented.In some tourneys, they allow the hand to be live UNTIL IT IS THAT PERSON'S ACTION. But if they aren't in their seat, it is mucked then.However, I've played in HUNDREDS of casino tourneys from Atlantic City, Las Vegas, Chicago, Indiana, and Florida and this is always the rule!IN NO CASE, EVER EVER, EVER is it a "live" hand actually would play against someone who didn't raise his blind.I suggest a mod OPEN the thread, and/or just copy my CORRECT reply on the thread, that's all we need is MORE DUMB ONLINE PLAYERS coming into REAL CASINOS without KNOWING THE RULES and DELAYING THE TOURNEYS with their STUPID ARGUMENTS.And I also suggest that whatever "Mod" locked the thread should maybe LEARN THE RULES so at least they don't LOCK a thread that has INCORRECT INFO!

[CA_GROWN]

THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THIS.. I AM A DEALER AND this is common in 99% of card clubs (there are some crazy rules in small clubs - hence the 1%) IF a player is not seated when the 2nd card is dealt to the button then ALL hands with absent seats are mucked REGARDLESS of position... SB, BB etc... ALL IS CLEAR..... now we can all go on with donking off our money to online pro's CHEERS

[tizzerd]

if they didnt close that thread everyone wouldve just plused oned the hell out of it id rather not know your opinion and not have abunch idiots spaming +1. in the end its up to mods to keep the forum "clean and tidy" and thats what they did

[bascomeb]

lock it up

[Mercury69]

Someone quoted the online rule, I guess lol.

[tizzerd]

yea lock it up so he can make another thread and throw another hissy fit

[dna4ever]

fwiw - i closed the other thread A) cause the OP asked and B) it was getting +1'd.I liked all your bold and big letters in this post though, i felt the passion of your message, nice work on the correction

[Acesfull1208]

dna4ever, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 12:43 PM, said:

fwiw - i closed the other thread A) cause the OP asked and B) it was getting +1'd.I liked all your bold and big letters in this post though, i felt the passion of your message, nice work on the correction

I agree, and am a dealer... in live tournaments, the hand is always dead in this case. Unless the player was somehow prevented from playing his due to a pottery issue, in which case Demi Moore would be allowed to step in and play that hand for him/her.

[bdc30]

Probably my fault partly, as I'm pretty sure I gave him the online version of the rule.Sry.

[Royal_Tour]

JeremyG, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 12:20 PM, said:

http://www.fullconta...showtopic=71611First of all, NO NEED TO LOCK A THREAD, especially when the MOD doesn't even know the correct answer.Any room that follows Robert's Rules, or the WSOP rules will follow the rule that a player MUST BE IN HIS/HER SEAT PRIOR TO THE 2nd CARD BEING DEALT TO THE DEALER POSITION.If NOT, the hand is FORFEITED.You can see an example of this on the WSOP Tunica broadcast (the one that Daniel won) when the BB was in the bathroom. He comes back, his hands are ALREADY MUCKED (the dealer mucked them right after dealing). He had a confused look on his face, and the announcers even commented.In some tourneys, they allow the hand to be live UNTIL IT IS THAT PERSON'S ACTION. But if they aren't in their seat, it is mucked then.However, I've played in HUNDREDS of casino tourneys from Atlantic City, Las Vegas, Chicago, Indiana, and Florida and this is always the rule!IN NO CASE, EVER EVER, EVER is it a "live" hand actually would play against someone who didn't raise his blind.I suggest a mod OPEN the thread, and/or just copy my CORRECT reply on the thread, that's all we need is MORE DUMB ONLINE PLAYERS coming into REAL CASINOS without KNOWING THE RULES and DELAYING THE TOURNEYS with their STUPID ARGUMENTS.And I also suggest that whatever "Mod" locked the thread should maybe LEARN THE RULES so at least they don't LOCK a thread that has INCORRECT INFO!

You shut up now

[jowest]

JeremyG, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 12:20 PM, said:

http://www.fullconta...showtopic=71611First of all, NO NEED TO LOCK A THREAD, especially when the MOD doesn't even know the correct answer.Any room that follows Robert's Rules, or the WSOP rules will follow the rule that a player MUST BE IN HIS/HER SEAT PRIOR TO THE 2nd CARD BEING DEALT TO THE DEALER POSITION.If NOT, the hand is FORFEITED.You can see an example of this on the WSOP Tunica broadcast (the one that Daniel won) when the BB was in the bathroom. He comes back, his hands are ALREADY MUCKED (the dealer mucked them right after dealing). He had a confused look on his face, and the announcers even commented.In some tourneys, they allow the hand to be live UNTIL IT IS THAT PERSON'S ACTION. But if they aren't in their seat, it is mucked then.However, I've played in HUNDREDS of casino tourneys from Atlantic City, Las Vegas, Chicago, Indiana, and Florida and this is always the rule!IN NO CASE, EVER EVER, EVER is it a "live" hand actually would play against someone who didn't raise his blind.I suggest a mod OPEN the thread, and/or just copy my CORRECT reply on the thread, that's all we need is MORE DUMB ONLINE PLAYERS coming into REAL CASINOS without KNOWING THE RULES and DELAYING THE TOURNEYS with their STUPID ARGUMENTS.And I also suggest that whatever "Mod" locked the thread should maybe LEARN THE RULES so at least they don't LOCK a thread that has INCORRECT INFO!

Thank you for the correction, however you are a di.ck. Try and learn some social skills. This is an online forum therefore a lot of online experience is present. Plus not everyone has access to live action. Stop being an ***...hole in your responses and try and be civil.Again, thank you for the correction.jerk

[JeremyG]

bdc30, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 12:59 PM, said:

Probably my fault partly, as I'm pretty sure I gave him the online version of the rule.Sry.

Further, even ONLINE that is incorrect. ONLINE if you aren't already "timed out", it comes to your action and you play or get timed out.Once you are timed out, your hand is FOLDED once it comes to you.If the BB is timed out and nobody calls but the SB just CALLS, then the BB STILL FOLDS.I play almost exclusively heads-up tourneys and if someone times out, and I'm SB, I just have to CALL and the other player's hand is folded.Sorry if I came off as a "****" but it's incorect information being spread and the "so called mod" didn't even bother to see if the info was correct.I guess a bunch of "+1's" makes people assume the info is correct, though.Which is why I can't wait for you kids to grow up and come play in the real casinos. I have a mortgage to pay, you know!

[RodReynolds]

Some may say you've overreacted. Not me. I'm with you on this one. We the posters at FCP need to take back the boards from the hands of these dictator mods. If you mods continue to **** with us, we will have no choice but to continue to use size 5 font and occasionally bold words which are particularly offensive. You've been warned.Edit: Caps lock will also be employed ruthlessly.

[jowest]

JeremyG, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 2:50 PM, said:

Further, even ONLINE that is incorrect. ONLINE if you aren't already "timed out", it comes to your action and you play or get timed out.Once you are timed out, your hand is FOLDED once it comes to you.If the BB is timed out and nobody calls but the SB just CALLS, then the BB STILL FOLDS.I play almost exclusively heads-up tourneys and if someone times out, and I'm SB, I just have to CALL and the other player's hand is folded.Sorry if I came off as a "****" but it's incorect information being spread and the "so called mod" didn't even bother to see if the info was correct.I guess a bunch of "+1's" makes people assume the info is correct, though.Which is why I can't wait for you kids to grow up and come play in the real casinos. I have a mortgage to pay, you know!

You are correct and also incorrect. Online it is folded once you are timed out UNTIL it is your last BB. Once you put in all of your money on a blind it will play it out on 90% of the tournaments. Think hard, I bet you can recall some arse winning a bunch of times in a row when he was all in on the blind and not even there.and by the way, I am 29 and play 80% of my poker in live games. I am not sure why I missed the ruling on the last question. I know that but I had online on the brain.

[finztotheleft]

JeremyG, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 11:20 AM, said:

http://www.fullconta...showtopic=71611.IN NO CASE, EVER EVER, EVER is it a "live" hand actually would play against someone who didn't raise his blind.so at least they don't LOCK a thread that has INCORRECT INFO!

When using all capitol letters and enlarged print to "yell" your point to the whole internet please remember to make an actual sentence.

JeremyG, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 1:50 PM, said:

Further, even ONLINE that is incorrect. ONLINE if you aren't already "timed out", it comes to your action and you play or get timed out.Once you are timed out, your hand is FOLDED once it comes to you.If the BB is timed out and nobody calls but the SB just CALLS, then the BB STILL FOLDS.

I play tournaments at Absolute and Pacific Poker. On both of these sites your big blind is folded if you have not checked on all hands EXCEPT your final hand where you are treated as "all in."

JeremyG, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 1:50 PM, said:

Which is why I can't wait for you kids to grow up and come play in the real casinos. I have a mortgage to pay, you know!

That's too bad. Perhaps you should obtain a higher paying job or improve your disposition so that you could make more money in tips. Some of us are not children and have already paid off our mortgages.

[-HAL9000-]

I'm confused would this call for a +1 or a +1?

[PMJackson21]

jowest, on Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 2:57 PM, said:

You are correct and also incorrect. Online it is folded once you are timed out UNTIL it is your last BB. Once you put in all of your money on a blind it will play it out on 90% of the tournaments. Think hard, I bet you can recall some arse winning a bunch of times in a row when he was all in on the blind and not even there.

That depends on the site you are playing on.

[_Great_Dane_]

Rules used by WSOP & WSOP circuit events state:A player must be at the table by the time all players have complete hands in order to have his or her hand live. Players must be at the table to call time. In flop games, the big blind's hand will be dead if [s]he is not there to act on it before the flop. It's my impression that, if the BB is all in with the blind, folding is not an option and calling is assumed. There's no "decision" to be made so calling a clock on the player would be useless; there's no decision to be made. Therefore a player in the BB, all in with the blind, can win a hand regardless of whether the player is present ot not.

[Guest_]

this information is good to know +1

[Canada]

_Great_Dane_, on Friday, August 18th, 2006, 12:57 AM, said:

It's my impression that, if the BB is all in with the blind, folding is not an option and calling is assumed. There's no "decision" to be made so calling a clock on the player would be useless; there's no decision to be made. Therefore a player in the BB, all in with the blind, can win a hand regardless of whether the player is present ot not.

Whilst it would be dumber than all the open-Farrells combined, folding is an option