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Poll: Omaha H/L (150 member(s) have cast votes)

Which hand would you rather have?

  1. 2-3-4-9 (32 votes [21.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.33%

  2. A-4-9-J (76 votes [50.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.67%

  3. K-Q-10-9 (42 votes [28.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.00%

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#21 Balloon guy

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 01:28 PM

I don't know which is the best hand, So I will have to wait for the answer
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 08:32 PM

So we have:hand A: 2-3-4-9Hand B: A-4-9-JHand C: K-Q-T-9The flop can have between 0 and 3 low cards. Let's look at how these hands fit the flops.0 low cards: Hand C loves this flop. Hand B has possibilities. Hand A is screwed.1 low card: Hand C loves this flop. Hand B has possibilities. Hand A is probably screwed.2 low cards: Hand C is screwed. Hand B probably has possibilities. Hand A probably likes this flop.3 low cards: Hand C is screwed. Hand B probably has possibilities. Hand A likes this flop.Let's go hand by hand.Hand A basically needs a low flop, but it is hard for this hand to scoop, because it either needs to make a straight or two small pair and two small pair is a vulnerable high hand if you flop it and terrible prospect if you river it.Hand B will probably have some play on most flops. If a low or low draw is possible, you either have a decent low for heads up or you have a pair of aces, but you're unlikely to get into a troubling situation where you have the second nuts vs the nuts. It's less likely to make the nuts, but it's a more versatile hand and you have more options with position on your opponent.Hand C basically needs a high flop to feel comfortable. Both this hand and Hand A have the abliity to bluff in position if you don't like the flop, but your opponent appears not to either, but this hand has the benefit of being able to play with a BB who bluffs at a high only flop thinking that you raised with a low hand.

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 09:04 PM

I chose hand B: A-4-9-JJust seemed the most logical.BC

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 11:27 PM

I can't see there being a big difference between A49J and 2349, but I voted for the later because it is not as likely to be dominated.
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Posted 25 April 2006 - 11:48 AM

View Postdingas, on Monday, April 24th, 2006, 11:27 PM, said:

I can't see there being a big difference between A49J and 2349, but I voted for the later because it is not as likely to be dominated.
One difference is that a pair of jacks or a pair of nines with an ace kicker is a lot more likely to win the high half of the hand than a pair of fours or a pair of nines with a four kicker.Also, the 2349 has fewer scoopable boards where the other player will give action. When I say scoopable, you don't really need the nuts in both directions in a heads-up confrontation with the blind. Scoopable means either two pair or better when no low is possible or a decent low and at least a medium pair that may escape for high (something like pairing an eight might do that occasionally). These aren't hands that are guaranteed to scoop the pot, but they have a shot sometimes in a hand that isn't checked down.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:24 PM

A49J

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 10:34 AM

Flip a three sided coin?With BB calling your button raise I'm thinking he can have a wide range of cards...he doesn't have to have an ace, but I'd say it's likely he does - and if you're gonna raise with any of these three from the button, he's probably gonna call you with a lot of reasonable hands.2349, I am undecided on its scoop potential...Without a board of A5x, you're playing to the idiot end of any straight - for example, if 456 is on board...you could easily have the 2nd best hand both ways. For all intents and purposes this is a 3-card hand, but there's something intriguing about it.KQT9 also requires a pretty good flop...and almost definitely needs a Jack...any card you pair could be outkicked...any aceless straight you make is not the best possible hand...and if he's looking for low cards you're not getting any action anyway. It's mostly an easy hand to play, but I think it's a hand where you lose a lot of money and win very little. Excpet for 78, two low cards on the flop are gonna force you out of this hand....and even with 78, 4 of your outs means you're playing for half the pot, and if you miss you could very well be beat by ace-high.A49J - you can hit broadway, but you need a perfect board...you can hit a middle straight that would be the nuts (which would give you a good low draw), but you need a perfect board...you can hit the bike, but you need a perfect board...any nut draw you have on the flop/turn can easily be counterfeited. The hand has lots of potential, but lots of pitfalls too for idiots like me.2349 is afraid of three hands on the low side...A49J is afraid of two...and 2349 has less chance of being counterfeited.KQT9 would probably be the easiest to play...2349 is probably more profitable than people first think, and A49J MIGHT have the most scoop potential, but I think also has the most potential to lose a lot of money due to chasing and counterfeiting.2349 will win the low half more often than the other two, and that's the first step to scooping.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 02:45 PM

View Postcgrohman, on Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 12:24 AM, said:

A49J
not even close

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 10:48 AM

A49J, easily. 2349 is the worse of these hands. Just look at it's high potential. There is not much there. Playing heads up omaha, you want hands that can scoop, not make a low and that's it. KQT9 is an ok hand, but I'd prefer it over 2349 since it's more clearcut. Having the ace is key omaha.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:08 PM

I will fold all three preflop 7-handed even I am on the button and even no one has entered in the pot. It doesn't cost me a penny when I fold.Just from my experience, sometimes when no one has shown interests in the pot, the "good hands" are probably in the blinds.If there's a gun pointing on my head forcing me to pick a hand to raise on the button then I will definitely pick A4J9, not even close. It has potentials on both high and low, the other two are simply one directional hand, and we are in the two-dimensional game.
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Posted 03 May 2006 - 04:47 PM

I'm not an Omaha HiLo expert, but here's my take:KQT9 is for Pot Limit Omaha. I pick 2349 for a couple of reasons.1) If a lot of players folded preflop, odds are that none of them had an ace. Your opponent most likely has one, so there are three more left to get you a good shot at the wheel. If there were a lot of players in the pot, I'd be more leery to play this hand aggressively.2) The low connectors provide for a lot of straight possibilities. In A4J9, you're most likely going to have to complete a flush to get the high pot and some really good low cards to complete the low. Yeah, there's one gap between the J and the 9, but if you get a straight with that, you opponent will probably have the higher end of that straight and you'll lose high. If your opponent is holding something like A3xx or A2xx, you don't have as good of a shot at low, especially if one of those X's is a good low card because that will take away your outs to the low.
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Posted 04 May 2006 - 07:49 AM

View Postgreatwhite, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 10:48 AM, said:

A49J, easily. 2349 is the worse of these hands. Just look at it's high potential. There is not much there. Playing heads up omaha, you want hands that can scoop, not make a low and that's it. KQT9 is an ok hand, but I'd prefer it over 2349 since it's more clearcut. Having the ace is key omaha.
you just totally contradicted yourself. youre saying 2349 is the worst because it has bad high potential... but you dont mind KQT9 even though it has no low potential whatsoever.the good thing about 2349 is that youll know on the flop if your good or not, and you can dump it without losing extra money if it doesnt hit. obviously the same can be said for KQT9. more often than not, youre going to get a marginal flop with A49J and probably stick around to see if your flush/two pair hits while also putting a 2-3 on the board. but it really all depends on who youre playing against. if hes weak and you can push him around, it really doesnt matter what you have.




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