Playing Suited Aces In Full Ring Games From Early Mid And Late Pos

[MikeBauer26 0]

I am currently working on my game (see here http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=120992 )After reviewing and considering all the feedback I have played only 500 hands so far so it's a little too early to comment. It seems to be working well for me since I am up a little although I have produced some horrible collateral damage with A J and A 4 . (I will post later for entertainment)I think this is where a bit of my too high VPIP percentage comes from, so I kindly ask for a check on my suited aces preflop strategySo, considering I play Full Ring with 100 BB per Stacks.How do I Play them?Currently:From UTG and UTG +1-I will open raise AJs to AKs and nearly always dump smaller suited aces.From MP-I will open raise AJs to AKs.-What about the smaller suited Aces? Worth a limp occasionally against weak opponents?-I will raise UTG Limpers with AJs to AKs.-I tend to flat call UTG Raisers with AJs to AKs. -> Horrible? Stats dependant? I fear that when I reraise an UTG and put in 3 times the amount of the initial bet I have to fold AQ and AJ to a shove or another raise anyway. So I like seeing a flop here and maybe float against the odds on the flop. Is there a point in "minreraising" preflop for isolation? Or does it invite punishing 4bets?From LPnow what? Open raise any suited ace?Raise any limpers?call, minraise, raise or fold AJ+ to an early raiser?call, minraise, raise or fold AJ+ to an early raiser and one or two callers?From the blinds- Fill up the sb with any suited ace and playing it carefully in multiway limped pots?- Raise multiway limped pots with AJs+?- check or raise equivalently from BB?- call raises with AJs+?Apreciate your thoughts

[simo_8ball 1]

Ok, first thing.DON'T OPEN LIMP

[MikeBauer26 0]

Ok, first thing.DON'T OPEN LIMP

:bubble_lol:Ok ok :-)I stopped that already... after a very painfull AJ hand, which would have never occured If I had raised preflop. I think I have gone a little over the top with the new approach though. I am currently raising 18% pre and have an AF of 8 :-I-> Hence looking for cards to remove from playing range... I think I have fallen in love too much with the suited Aces...Current Stats are 21/18/8... BB per 100 hands is 5.sth which - I realize - doesn't mean too much after 500 hands.I have found most preflop desicions already significantly easier so far and am still wondering when people will play back.So far I only noticed that my contibets have been floated by AQ-overcards only once.-> Perhaps I benefit here from other peoples pokertracker Databases still showing me as 20/3/2 in total :-)

[simo_8ball 1]

Does the AF of 8 include preflop stats?Your stats of 21/18 are a bit too loose for full ring, so just tighten up a little. UTG your VPIP should be something like 5-9, and your PFR should be almost identical.When you look at the positions tab, you should see your VPIP and PFR dropping steadily from Button to UTG, so your Button VPIP is nearly double your UTG VPIP.

[MikeBauer26 0]

Does the AF of 8 include preflop stats?Your stats of 21/18 are a bit too loose for full ring, so just tighten up a little. UTG your VPIP should be something like 5-9, and your PFR should be almost identical.When you look at the positions tab, you should see your VPIP and PFR dropping steadily from Button to UTG, so your Button VPIP is nearly double your UTG VPIP.

Ummm I don't know. It's the "Total AF" column.VPIP dropping down. Check.PFR kinda dropping down. CheckStill working on it... Back to the suited Ace-Rags? Open folding until LP?Oh and what do we think about early raises when we are in late position with AJs+? Calling against Nits (10/2)?Reraising/Folding against 14/10ers?

[KennyMatch 0]

for me - I am really not a fan of suited Aces. I will play an Ace with a decent kicker looking for top pair etc.But I am not really ever calling with a weak Ace (suited) thinking about the flush.I read somewhere, when I was learning, that if I wouldn't call unsuited then I shouldn't call suited. Over time I have not encountered situations to make me change my mind too much. You need to hit a flush on the flop, or get the draw then hit the draw, whilst at the same time your opponent needs to make a flush for you to make anything.I would rather play 97o than A4s.Kenny

[Sheiky 0]

Here's how i think about it:UTG/EP: Nit, ATo is a fold, KQo is a fold, Just play really god damn tight UTG and in the first three spots.MP: Depending on a few factors you can start to raise stuff like KQs and KJs, ATs+, still fold Ace rags.CO/button: Open whatever the hell you want, the fact you have position and the initiative in the hand makes you're A9o look like AK, from the CO/button when folded to i open 54s+,67o+,A8o+,pretty much any suited ace/king sometimes even queens, suited one/two gappers, and of course any pairs.I think these two articles are very helpful for learning why this is so important-http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showthread...page=0&vc=1http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Number=5348855

[mtdesmoines 2]

I really don't know if there is a "right way to play," or a "right way to play xx hands."I think you're missing tremendous value in not assessing table texture and taking full advantage of the game in front of you, rather than just assigning a strict guideline of, "I will only play a suited AT from the cutoff and I will only raise it 3BB." You may be able to grind in the very long run by playing that way, but I think that there's SO SO SO much value on the table by opening up your game and learning to adjust to players and tables. Maybe I be crazy I dunno.

[Sheiky 0]

I really don't know if there is a "right way to play," or a "right way to play xx hands."I think you're missing tremendous value in not assessing table texture and taking full advantage of the game in front of you, rather than just assigning a strict guideline of, "I will only play a suited AT from the cutoff and I will only raise it 3BB." You may be able to grind in the very long run by playing that way, but I think that there's SO SO SO much value on the table by opening up your game and learning to adjust to players and tables. Maybe I be crazy I dunno.

Meh, i may be wrong in this but you play predominantly live? I think that in a live game this is probably a lot bigger factor than it is online, where i don't believe the varying table conditions at $10NL should really affect your ranges.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Meh, i may be wrong in this but you play predominantly live? I think that in a live game this is probably a lot bigger factor than it is online, where i don't believe the varying table conditions at $10NL should really affect your ranges.

Absolutely, it's probably more pronounced, but I still think it's a factor online. I've been able to "geek" tables as high as $50 NL online within the first four orbits by showing a wider range -- other players pick up it on right away. I've found that Doyle's axiom, "You have to give action to get action" is one of the more powerful observations about low limit poker I've ever heard and it applies online as well as live. That doesn't mean playing loose and stupid and getting lucky, it does mean understanding the other players as quickly as possible.