flop better is passive post flop,
pfr is aggro, SLAA

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Preflop: Hero is CO with , . UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.75.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 2 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) , , (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

obv going for the trap them for two on turn

On a scale of 1-10 how stupid am I?

I'm good with that - especially since you hold the Kd. So I'll give you an 2.

I do wonder what the SB has that was a calling hand preflop against two raisers, but now is a leading hand.

I shut down if I'm 3 bet on the turn, unless is an A or K obv.

While I do like the trap in position with TTP, the only problem is charging the flush draws more to see the turn (not that they are going to fold) and if the flush does come on the turn, do you know where to are in the hand.

Is the SB (who showed no aggression preflop) able to bet a draw (or 2 - any combo of Qd Jd and 10d).

I prefer to raise here and try and define my hand a little....If I get reraised by the SB then I will be a little concerned about the double draw and an already made set (6's most likely).

If you raise the flop and get checked to on a none d turn, then I would bet and then bet again on a none d river.

If the d does hit the river and the SB does bet, I will call 1 bet.

And don't forget about MP2, they were the initial raiser and capper they could be doing the same thing as you are with their set of AA or KK.



ZenBrothers

omfg raise the flop.

Hey I said that.....but yours is a greate executive summary.....


ZenBrothers

I gotta go with raise the flop here too......too many possible draws could be out there, you have to charge them

why not try and get 2 BB in on the turn from each?
just asking

I really like to make my decisions easier when I play.

If I just call this flop, there are a lot of bad cards.

Any 6 any diamond, etc.

For one, they could beat you, but they could also just kill your action.

I have a little unwritten rule with my flop play. I never slowplay hands like this when there's > 2 opponents already calling bets, and very rarely when there are exactly two opponents that have put money in. The value you pass up on the flop is too much, IMO. Like these players could be calling with trash, and will c/f the turn, but they'll always pay that 2nd bet on the flop. The only time I'd consider it, is if I flopped like a full, something that can't be outdrawn, or like have them drawing to 1-2 outs or whatever, and I'm button, and SB leads and like 4 people call. In that case, I'll peel one off and try to trap everyone on the turn. Relative position is the key there.

Here, there are too many scare cards, so I get the money in while I know I'm way ahead.

you're getting way too cute on the hands you're posting lately. raise that flop.

well, I'm posting the ones that I play differently than normal.

here's my thoughts:

SB is passive and probably is not leading with a FD into two pf aggressors
MP needs exactly AdQd to make the flush draw in his range, realistically

So, It's SB with 66 (and we're losing a good deal either way) or a worse Ace a lot of times
MP2 probably has JJ-AA (with only 1 AA or KK) or AK, AQs
It was MP2 who I hoped would call one bet on the flop, and if not raised, would call one on the turn.
And, unless SB had exactly 66, I don't see him leading the turn again if I raise the flop

I guess the key for me here was discounting the flsuh draw significantly.

Now, the fact the others in the hand might slow down if another d came, is a risk

(please don't misunderstand "my thinking" as me thiking I necessarily played it correctly, I'm just saying what I thought at the time)

My take is your play is good as you cannot protect your hand here.
BUT
You have way to much equity in this hand to not raise. The only time I can see you not raising here is if the MP2 cap pre means KK or AA. Obviously this is discounted as you have an A and a K and so does the board. If SB has 66 you don't even care with your outs here.

I think unless you have good info, you win this hand well over a third of the time so you need to get as much money in as possible. The backdoor flush gives you a lot less scare cards.

I'm not an expert player at limit and am reading SSHE for now the fourth time but what I learned through this reading is that the turn move is best to protect your hand but the pot equity you have in the hand trumps you having to protect.


Hope I'm making sense.

you make sense.

But I'm not not raising because I don't think I have equity to do so, I'm not rasing the FLOP so I can raise the turn.

Like others have said, I think you're missing out on too much value by not raising the turn. Also I think if you go ahead and build the pot on the flop by raising it, the other players will be more likely to call your bets/raises on later streets because of the size of the pot. Whereas if you just called now, they'd be better able to get rid of inferior hands, especially if a scare card comes which may kill your action.