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Willing 2 Die
Is this normal? I'm never comfortable doing it UTG but rather deeper in position.

Is it improper to even considering folding a bare Ace in this situation?
Zach6668
Uhh... what exactly is a bare ace?

Actually, it really doesn't matter.

The correct answer is that it depends on the dynamics of the table, your image, the image of the other players, their styles, who's on tilt, what the stacks are, what the stakes are, etc.
No_Neck
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007, 12:25 AM) *
Uhh... what exactly is a bare ace?

Actually, it really doesn't matter.

The correct answer is that it depends on the dynamics of the table, your image, the image of the other players, their styles, who's on tilt, what the stacks are, what the stakes are, etc.


I think if you only raised AT or greater UTG you wouldn't be giving up to much at a 6 player table.
Acid_Knight
Please don't post stuff like this. You're not going to get useful responses because your OP is waaay too vague. You're not going to spark a good discussion. In general, it probably wastes everyone's time.

If you want to ask questions here, try and find specific hand examples to help identify what you're talking about. That way, everyone has something to work with.
Zach6668
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007, 1:11 AM) *
Please don't post stuff like this. You're not going to get useful responses because your OP is waaay too vague. You're not going to spark a good discussion. In general, it probably wastes everyone's time.

If you want to ask questions here, try and find specific hand examples to help identify what you're talking about. That way, everyone has something to work with.

You must have read the forum posting guidelines. tongue.gif
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, May 21st, 2007, 9:11 PM) *
Please don't post stuff like this. You're not going to get useful responses because your OP is waaay too vague. You're not going to spark a good discussion. In general, it probably wastes everyone's time.

If you want to ask questions here, try and find specific hand examples to help identify what you're talking about. That way, everyone has something to work with.


No, No MAV !!!

BAD MAV !!!
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Monday, May 21st, 2007, 11:10 PM) *
You must have read the forum posting guidelines. tongue.gif

Not sure that I have, but maybe I will go do that today.
Willing 2 Die
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, May 21st, 2007, 9:11 PM) *
Please don't post stuff like this. You're not going to get useful responses because your OP is waaay too vague. You're not going to spark a good discussion. In general, it probably wastes everyone's time.

If you want to ask questions here, try and find specific hand examples to help identify what you're talking about. That way, everyone has something to work with.


Why? Just because you didn't find the question very intriguing or worthy of discussion?

Let me reword my question. IF you are UTG and you have A5, A6 (ace rag basicially), assuming your table is standard and not too loose, do you raise Ace rag in this circumstance most cases?

Sorry if i'm not posting specific hands for you, this just happens to be a situation in general that is coming up where i'm getting confused on opening the pot or not.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (MAV_304 @ Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007, 7:05 AM) *
Why? Just because you didn't find the question very intriguing or worthy of discussion?

Let me reword my question. IF you are UTG and you have A5, A6 (ace rag basicially), assuming your table is standard and not too loose, do you raise Ace rag in this circumstance most cases?

Sorry if i'm not posting specific hands for you, this just happens to be a situation in general that is coming up where i'm getting confused on opening the pot or not.


If you're playing cash games with decent players, fold that crap until you get REALLY good post flop. And even then, fold that crap.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (MAV_304 @ Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007, 8:05 AM) *
Why? Just because you didn't find the question very intriguing or worthy of discussion?

Let me reword my question. IF you are UTG and you have A5, A6 (ace rag basicially), assuming your table is standard and not too loose, do you raise Ace rag in this circumstance most cases?

Sorry if i'm not posting specific hands for you, this just happens to be a situation in general that is coming up where i'm getting confused on opening the pot or not.

No, not because I don't find it intriguing, but becuase the question itself is too vague to be answered. When you have to ask a dozen other questions about your table image, your opponents, how the table has been playing, stack sizes and other things, the question becomes useless.

If you're opening the pot, why are you opening the pot? Do you want to steal the blinds becuase they're weak-tight? Do you want to take control of the hand becuase the other players are weaker post flop players than you are? What do you plan to do if the CO or Button calls you?

There are no "most cases" with completely ambiguous hands like Ax suited or not. This isn't AK or pocket Jacks. This is like asking "how do I play KJo from 3rd position?" It's a gray hand that you can easy fold if you want to. Raising the pot is probably a mistake unless you have good reasons for it becuase then you're building a pot with trash.

It frustrates me that you don't seem to understand that almost every decision and situation in poker is unique and you're asking to have people give you advice on how to play hands with none of the important information that they'd actually need to give you worthwhile advice. THAT is why I'm saying that you need to post hands and not vague situations like this one.
Willing 2 Die
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007, 7:27 AM) *
No, not because I don't find it intriguing, but becuase the question itself is too vague to be answered. When you have to ask a dozen other questions about your table image, your opponents, how the table has been playing, stack sizes and other things, the question becomes useless.

If you're opening the pot, why are you opening the pot? Do you want to steal the blinds becuase they're weak-tight? Do you want to take control of the hand becuase the other players are weaker post flop players than you are? What do you plan to do if the CO or Button calls you?

There are no "most cases" with completely ambiguous hands like Ax suited or not. This isn't AK or pocket Jacks. This is like asking "how do I play KJo from 3rd position?" It's a gray hand that you can easy fold if you want to. Raising the pot is probably a mistake unless you have good reasons for it becuase then you're building a pot with trash.

It frustrates me that you don't seem to understand that almost every decision and situation in poker is unique and you're asking to have people give you advice on how to play hands with none of the important information that they'd actually need to give you worthwhile advice. THAT is why I'm saying that you need to post hands and not vague situations like this one.


Cool. thanks for the response.

I just started playing 6 max again after getting away from tourneys a little bit. I used to play weak tight pre and post flop, but i'm trying to be more aggressive LAG with my game. I guess i was looking for a general consensus on how people who view this forum like to play an Ace at 6 max.

I understand your point about poker being situational, i completely agree, and agree that the topic lacked the specifics needed to prob. make it more helpful for others.
Scott3705
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007, 7:27 AM) *
It frustrates me that you don't seem to understand that almost every decision and situation in poker is unique and you're asking to have people give you advice on how to play hands with none of the important information that they'd actually need to give you worthwhile advice. THAT is why I'm saying that you need to post hands and not vague situations like this one.


A lot of hands get posted in forums that posters respond "Standard" too. I don't think it's that out of line to ask general questions looking for overall leaks in some one's game. If he posts 4 hands in which he raises A6 suited from UTG catching top pair, middle pair, air, ignorant end of a str8 draw, they'll be specific things that make each hand play different like you said depending on the texture of the game, number of callers etc. But that still might not address his overall concern that he's either losing EV by not raising with these hands or spewing by raising these hands. I agree though that the answer is a constant if this... if that... if this... if that...

I raise a variety of hands UTG in a 6-max game, but Ax suited tends to not be one of them just because it forces you into too many tough decisions when you're usually out of position. Basically raising with these types of hands, the only pay off is when you flop big and you've disguised your hand. This won't compensate for all the times you whif or get caught against AK on an Axx board or get handcuffed by the button who makes a play at the pot post flop.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Tuesday, May 22nd, 2007, 8:17 AM) *
This won't compensate for all the times you whif or get caught against AK on an Axx board or get handcuffed by the button who makes a play at the pot post flop.
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