wsox8
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 2:23 PM
Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
8 players
ConverterStack sizes:UTG: $16.50
UTG+1: $44.11
MP1: $39.95
MP2: $98.95
CO: $50
Button: $162.78
SB: $46.25
Hero: $110.70
Pre-flop: (
8 players) Hero is BB with Q

Q
UTG raises to $2.5,
3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds,
Hero raises to $10.5,
UTG raises all-in $16.5, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.
Flop: 7

4

6

(
$52.25, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.25)
Hero?
litlebullet
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 2:32 PM
this is why I like tourneys more.
Snamuh
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 2:38 PM
I don't think you have any reason to think you are behind the button. I'd lead for 35.
Zach6668
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 2:42 PM
Does anyone else want to reraise PF after UTG's push to get more money from the button who we're almost always ahead of?
Snamuh
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 2:48 PM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 6:42 PM)

Does anyone else want to reraise PF after UTG's push to get more money from the button who we're almost always ahead of?
Can't, it's an underbet. UTG raise was only 6 after Hero raised 8.
Zach6668
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 2:52 PM
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 6:48 PM)

Can't, it's an underbet. UTG raise was only 6 after Hero raised 8.
Ah, if you were allowed to, would you?
Snamuh
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 3:02 PM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 6:52 PM)

Ah, if you were allowed to, would you?
I would, because it certainly doesn't look like button has a hand that is beating us, and I wouldn't want to just call and see an A or K flop, which would not only scare us, but would also cause us to lose value from a hand that we are currently beating like TT or JJ.
wsox8
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 4:22 PM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 5:52 PM)

Ah, if you were allowed to, would you?
I would definitely reraise pre if I could but I was forced to just call.
mtdesmoines
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 6:55 PM
QUOTE (wsox8 @ Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 2:23 PM)

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
8 players
ConverterStack sizes:UTG: $16.50
UTG+1: $44.11
MP1: $39.95
MP2: $98.95
CO: $50
Button: $162.78
SB: $46.25
Hero: $110.70
Pre-flop: (
8 players) Hero is BB with Q

Q
UTG raises to $2.5,
3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds,
Hero raises to $10.5,
UTG raises all-in $16.5, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.
Flop: 7

4

6

(
$52.25, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.25)
Hero?LOL, whoops.
You can't really check down and wait for an ace to drop and have AJ catch up. You don't really want to shove into a pair of kings. Bet $20 and start and a side pot and see what BB's interest is ... and one one of the reasons I say that is that you are probably behind UTG ... but since they're all in, you may have to make your money on the side pot.
Ganador
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 7:42 PM
Assuming he is behind UTG I think is wrong, the guy is sitting with 16 bucks, has less than half of anyone else at the table, no way he is only shoving AA or KK here, he is shoving most pairs, big cards, Ax, whatever. Who hasnt see it a hundred times. Bet 30-35, and hope he has JJ and didnt sneak in with a set. But he is the one who smoothed 14 bucks more, he could have AA or KK, who knows, id be more sacred of button having it then UTG.
David_Nicoson
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 7:53 PM
QUOTE (wsox8 @ Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 8:22 PM)

I would definitely reraise pre if I could but I was forced to just call.
If the hero is really on the ball here, he raises small enough so that UTG's push does reopen the betting.
mtdesmoines
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 8:37 PM
QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 7:53 PM)

If the hero is really on the ball here, he raises small enough so that UTG's push does reopen the betting.
Bingo - messing up like this a couple times cures this mistake -- it's something every player should watch for. Always be aware of potential small stack pushes and bet accordingly.
docnuclear
Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 11:31 PM
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Sunday, May 20th, 2007, 2:38 PM)

I don't think you have any reason to think you are behind the button. I'd lead for 35.
+1
Verdimme
Monday, May 21st, 2007, 6:59 AM
I assume you had no reads.
Button's hand looks alot like 99-JJ, or something like AQ.
Just lead the flop for 3/4 pot for value and protection.