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Zach6668
Absolute Poker
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
7 players
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Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with T icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_diamond.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 3 icon_suit_spade.gif K icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (15SB, 5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: 6 icon_suit_heart.gif (9.5BB, 4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

River: T icon_suit_club.gif (19.5BB, 3 players)
Hero checks...


I'm so rusty, lol. Not that I was ever really good to begin with...

Preflop would be standard, if I remember anything checky taught me, right?

Do we like the flop donk? I wanted to build a pot while we were still very multiway if I get quartered.

Turn 3-bet cool? I just assumed both of those guys were loose passive, as the entire table was, and I figured 4 handed would be fine...

River, I checked because I'm pretty sure I'm getting quartered here, and it's only 3 ways, so I'm c/c'ing, cool? Or do we lead?
donk4life
wow.. theres actually a legitimate omaha hi/lo game on ap.. that's a rare site
Zach6668
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, May 15th, 2007, 4:13 PM) *
wow.. theres actually a legitimate omaha hi/lo game on ap.. that's a rare site

LO8 on AP is great... it's always going, and it's always good.
donk4life
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, May 15th, 2007, 3:15 PM) *
LO8 on AP is great... it's always going, and it's always good.


Even on 3/6? I see alot of games on 2/4, but rarely above that..
Zach6668
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, May 15th, 2007, 4:19 PM) *
Even on 3/6? I see alot of games on 2/4, but rarely above that..

Ya, more 2/4 games, but usually a 3/6 game going. Not much of a difference between the two.
antistuff
i bet the river just because i dont think it makes much of a difference.
Frez
I think you played it well. If your Ts was Ks I may have capped preflop.

Flop - fine. Surprised you weren't raised by one of the preflop raisers. I wonder what's 3 betting preflop that doesn't like that flop.

I like the turn play. Yes build the pot - no harm 4 way if you are quartered, but more because you have perfect counterfeit protection. You'd love an A or 2 to come, or your gutshot (rainbow) 5.

River - yes, check call. Don't lead out and get raised by a strong high, or some donk raising his A2xx. Each bet you put in here likely costs you $1.50.
navybuttons
standard all around
checkymcfold
capping preflop is fine, but cold calling is also (if you're a ***** ***** smile.gif ).

i actually am more inclined to c/r the flop than bet out since the three REALLY helps us and the risk/reward on getting more bets in while we have a monster draw (if only for half--our relative position to raisers is still, like, awesome). but betting out is ok--i think it's just more likely to get us more isolated than we want vs preflop aggression and a basically half pot draw.
Zach6668
lol, I 3/4'ed this pot somehow.
Chamonyx
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Wednesday, May 16th, 2007, 12:46 AM) *
capping preflop is fine, but cold calling is also (if you're a ***** ***** smile.gif ).

i actually am more inclined to c/r the flop than bet out since the three REALLY helps us and the risk/reward on getting more bets in while we have a monster draw (if only for half--our relative position to raisers is still, like, awesome). but betting out is ok--i think it's just more likely to get us more isolated than we want vs preflop aggression and a basically half pot draw.

I agree with checky (as usual). More specifically, if you are not going to jam the flop here, then you need to go for the check raise on the flop to get some money into the pot.

I lead the river here: most liekly holdings (given the action) are A23(no K) for MP1 and a naked A2 for UTG - or maybe even A4. I think there is a good chance my T is good for high under these circs so I am going to make them pay.
Frez
QUOTE (Chamonyx @ Wednesday, May 16th, 2007, 4:45 PM) *
I lead the river here: most likely holdings (given the action) are A23(no K) for MP1 and a naked A2 for UTG - or maybe even A4. I think there is a good chance my T is good for high under these circs so I am going to make them pay.


I disagree with this. How often is 2nd pair good enough for high in O8? Are you so sure one of these guys doesn't have a naked K. Or QQ. Or two raggy little pairs. Given the action I think it could have been likely that one of these guys has a weak high, and has been calling along hoping the flush doesn't come.
Chamonyx
QUOTE (Frez @ Wednesday, May 16th, 2007, 5:08 PM) *
I disagree with this. How often is 2nd pair good enough for high in O8? Are you so sure one of these guys doesn't have a naked K. Or QQ. Or two raggy little pairs. Given the action I think it could have been likely that one of these guys has a weak high, and has been calling along hoping the flush doesn't come.

Look at the action: what hand does UTG have that merits limp pre-flop and then calling 2 more cold, calling on Flop and flat calling 2 again on the Turn? Similarly, if MP1 had a K - or even a big pair (or A245 for that matter) - you could expect a raise on the flop, but instead HE FLAT CALLED and came alive on the turn when the low got there. The only hand I would be worried about would be A45 with no hearts from UTG, in which case I am going to lose half a bet on the end, compared to all the other hands he has when I am going to scoop. Also, if UTG has bad 2 pair and a busted flush draw, I MUST give him the opportunity to fold - he may well put Hero on A45 given the way Hero played.


Of course, at this level you can always play the "Idiot card", but that doesn't change the basic thought process here.
Frez
QUOTE (Chamonyx @ Thursday, May 17th, 2007, 12:20 PM) *
Look at the action: what hand does UTG have that merits limp pre-flop and then calling 2 more cold, calling on Flop and flat calling 2 again on the Turn?


Any unsuited or single suited A3 hand that also has a 7 or a K ,with the 4th card any rag, A2QQns, A2JJns. What about a straight high hand, but one without Aces. These hands all flop him a dead, or very likely split, low, and a weak high that may be worth calling down in a big pot - for all the reasons you think a naked T is good. Poor guy keeps getting sandwiched though, having to call more and more, and each previous call makes the next one more correct with larger pot odds.

Again, how often is 2nd pair good in Omaha? It turned out to be this time, and we've all backed into some weak winners, but I'm never gonna bet 2nd pair. A weak two pair when I also have the low, maybe...

QUOTE
Of course, at this level you can always play the "Idiot card", but that doesn't change the basic thought process here.


Indeed.
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