http://blog.mlive.com/michigan/2007/05/msn...ity_leader.html

Wonder what level of hell he is currently chilling on.

(Undoubtebly this is gonna turn into a religous debate, I probably should've just posted it there)

meh...goodbye jerry

I don't wish death on anybody, but there are a lot of happy people now.

_{FINALLY WOOOO HOOOO}

Well, I have a list of things to never discuss. Politics, religion and guns.

But, I'm in an especially foul mood today, so I'm doing little cartwheels in my head right now. I imagine there are a lot of young boys who are happy this douche is dead also. Or a lot of dissappointed crossdressing hookers.

I really have no feelings on this matter.

Don't know him personally and death happens to everyone eventually

im crying about this



















not really

Urban Dictionary defines Jerry Falwell as:

A fucking pig of a human who pretends to care about Christians and Christianity, but really just wants their money to support his lavish lifestyle and to contribute to right-wing, nutjob Republican candidates. Unfortunately, millions of sheeplike Christians buy into his shtick.

Jerry Falwell should have been aborted.

good riddance

the phrase 'ding dong' comes to mind

Someone answer this question.

Why was Jerry Fallwell a bad person?

Because he liked shoving his views down other people's throats. He was more worried about making sure a certain part of the world was unhappy instead of using his power to really help people.

Larry Flynt is dancing a jig right now.

I know.

I hear that Larry Flynt is having a party at Hustler tonight.

The theme has something to do with an outhouse.

Ah. I see. So, like, when you met with Jerry Fallwell, he did the whole "convert or die, ye sinner" routine?
Gun to your head? Or was it a sword?

Sorry. BS excuse. He was just as virulently Christian as most atheists are anti-Christian. You can't condemn someone for being what you yourself are.
There are plenty of people who have done everything in their power to label him as a bad man (after all. Anyone who speaks of his beliefs and faith is a bad person if their beliefs aren't ultra leftist and atheist) but I'm really having a hard time seeing it.

I completely disagree with his beliefs, but I think the bashing is pathetic and associative rather than founded in anything legitimate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_falwell

That pretty much covers it. If I believed in hell I'd probably say that the road there is paved with good intentions. He may have been passionate about his beliefs, but that doesn't make him right or any less of a racist, homophobic, greedy bastard.

I agree.

Actually, no, it doesn't cover anything.
That's just a link to a wikipedia article. When will people realize that the existence of information on wikipedia is not a surrogate for a valid opinion?

I'll ask again.
Can you tell me why he is such a bad man?
Or are you going to take the digitalmonkey route and just start throwing poo.

Really, this is kinda pathetic. I mean, I hate a lot of people and can give you an absolutel laundry list of very valid reasons why I hate them.
The only thing I'm seeing here is a bunch of typical "boo religion" nitwits acting like tards because an evangelical Christian croaked.

Hmmmm... tell me... where did I bash him other than saying his ass in hell?

Also tell me how you have any idea what I am or what my beliefs are?

You think I'm anti-Christian? Actually I'm anti-blasphemy. Falwell was a blasphemous circus leader who used God's name to pad his pockets. He used God's name to promote intolerance and bigotry. You want to hate somebody? Fine. But come up with your own reasons and not because God said so. You know what I hate? People who act like God speaks to them/through them.

I mean seriously. If gays want to marry, who cares? I understand a fear of a penis in your ass, I get that. But to go through the trouble and making it your life's work to meddle in the affairs of others... fuck that.

Another thing, don't ever presume to know shit about me.

And oh yeah, Glocks suck.

Most Christians I know hate the guy. I don't really know much about him, and I completely don't care.

There's a lot of "I never wish anyone dead, but..." and "I'm not happy he died..."-type **** going on. What's the deal? If you don't like someone, don't feel guilty that you're happy they're dead. I wish millions if not billions dead.

LOL

/reply.

"Stop calling me a racist! What have I said that was racist other than when I called that nigger a monkey?"



Not really.

1st part: Huh?

2nd part: I know, it was funny to say/type though.

he's definetely in hell with a 40 ouncer.

Yeah, it covers it. The article outlines his beliefs and many of the ridiculous statements he has made. Why would I bother rewriting the article to show he's a bigot when I can just paste the link?

The guy uses the church to spread hate. He might be incredibly nice, generous, passionate, articulate, etc...but I don't care. If my best friend of 20 years told me tomorrow that he hates all gays and think they have destroyed the country, I would tell him that he's a bad person (and an idiot). He wouldn't even have to preach his beliefs to millions for me to say that. That's just one example of the many things Falwell has said that make me think he was a bad person. You disagree with that? Fine, explain why.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to explain this...you're obviously just trolling around out of boredom and already know what I'm saying.

FizzleYoPizzle

Please, just ignore the self-righteous piece of shit that goes by the name scram.

OK, so your hatred of Fallwell is rooted in your support of gays, correct?

"I hate Fallwell because of his statements towards gays and I happen to take a different view. I support gays/I am gay/whatever."

I couldn't care less about Fallwell and I couldn't care less about gays, so if gays hate him and if he hates gays, I don't really care.
But for some reason, you really do. So, it's a gay thing? There has to be a reason why you feel so passionately about his disdain for homosexuality.
Why?

Sorry, that's all I heard.


But seriously, I'm not gay. I don't "support" gay marriage. But I do support the right of two adults to do whatever the fuck they please as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. If they want to marry and get some tax breaks, fine. It doesn't bother me.

Did I say I hate Falwell? Nope. I said he is a bad person. You asked why and I explained it to you...what don't you understand here?

I feel passionately about disdain for anyone. I don't care if it's homosexuals, blacks, jews, etc. If someone preaches hate against a group of people that has done nothing to deserve it, he is a bad person. End of story.

"self righteous" has become one of those catch words that people bleat out whenever they feel a certain way. Not quite as bad as "ignorant" as become, but close.

^^^^^ Why do you say that? Please explain why you believe that.


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P.S. Your dog looks like he takes it up the ass from the chihuahua down the street.

Hate, disdain, toe-may-toe toe-mah-toe. Lets not quarrel over semantics and word usage.
The fact is, you seem to have a great dislike for Fallwell, and the reason you cited was his religious beliefs for homosexuals.
You summarized this by attempting to say something about your dislike of anyone who "preaches hate".

Does this include people who "preach hate" against Christians?
Or is it only people who "preach hate" against certain protected species?

self-right·eous

–adjective confident of one's own righteousness, esp. when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.


I can almost guarantee that even if you don't think this describes you, pretty much everyone you know would. I'm not judging since I can be like this too, but don't blame the fact that people call you this on it being some kind of catch-all phrase when someone dislikes you. It's accurate.

Sorry, With that last post, you've become too dumb to even waste bandwidth replying to.

1. Scram, you suck.

2. Lets party.

Fair enough.



Of course it includes anyone who preaches hate against Christians and 'unprotected species'. Obviously that doesn't include people that just don't believe in Jesus...only people that actively seek out Christians for no other reason than to tell them that they are idiots.

Couldn't care less about gays huh, so a certain segment of the population you just don't care for, and don't care how the rest of the country treats them. Where do you arrive at this, because they are not like you. That is such BS. You don't care about how gays are treated in this country you are a prick plain and simple. Just like Falwell was. I am glad he is dead, he was just another dumb old white man afraid of change.

I don't care for Falwell, but I would never use a national stage to say that televangelists are the reason 9/11 happened as he did with gays. That, is hate. There's your difference. No semantics. Nice and clear cut and dried.

And yes.. I don't care for radical muslims who preach hate against Christians/the US. I don't care for rednecks who preach hate against blacks/Jews. I don't care for anybody who preaches hate against anybody.

Ok, I do like guys that hate Glocks. They make me horny and want to marry gay people.

Oh, I'm not saying it isn't accurate as it pertains to me. I am probably the most self-righteous person you will ever meet when I'm right and someone else is wrong. I'm simply saying that it has become an associative, retarded catch-all that is bandied about without any regard to its actual application.

In this particular circumstance, I suppose it marginally applies, but not really. I'm not the one who's being intolerant of anyones beliefs- quite to the contrary, I'm the one questioning intolerance.

Hey, if I wasn't tolerating the fat bastard... he'd been dead long ago. There's a big differerence between not liking something and being intolerant of it.

Free Tibet!

scram, why do you think that Jerry Falwell is not a bad person?

edit: or are you really just trolling by making people explain themselves to you when you already agree...

Oh, come on, you're only saying that because you're ignorant.

Seriously, though, lay off Scram, guys, he's actually making good points.

I really don't know much about old Jerry. Apparently he was very hostile toward homosexuals and critical of the civil rights movement. On those issues, I strongly disagree with his stances. When it comes to an issue as objective as homosexuality, I do more than disagree with it. I may be incorrect in my assessment, but when I learn that a person is homophobic, I often infer that the person is susceptible to hatred and lacks critical thinking skills. Yes, I may be making blanket statements, but a person with homophobic views in my eyes is guilty until proven innocent. I don't know, I just think homophobia, unlike say a position on the Iraq war or the role of Sociality Security, is a position that goes to the bone and is a manifestation of deep seeded hatred a a person of very weak character.

Again, I don't really hate Jerry. There are people I disagree strongly with that I liberally say that I hate (ie Sean Hannity), but I really don't HATE them (in the way that I hate Hitler or people who like Maroon 5). But, not knowing much about him, I strongly disagree with his stance on homosexuality and am not ashamed to conjecture that such a stance is only one manifestation of a genuinely "bad" person.

When did I ever say Free Tibet. Oh wait you're just lumping me in with other leftists. I actually think Free Tibet is one of the most futile causes that the left can get behind because the only way to really do it is to start a war with China. They ignore peaceful protest.

Lay off him? He's the one asking questions of us.

That second sentence seems awkwardly phrased...



The homosexuality thing was one example. That's why I posted the link to the whole article on his life.

And of course there are levels of being a bad person. You have your small town bullies, your Falwells, and your Hitlers. All are bad, just to a different degree, IMO.

Scram is becoming as hated and annoying as FWP back in the day. Time to just ignore the troll.

I want to say RKIGS - but it doesn't really fit. Might need a new acronym for this one.

SPOTSCYTTWIGE? (Strange Preacher On The Street Corner Yelling That The World Is Gonna End?)

Well, sometimes it's not a terrible thing to have a Socratic character continually ask questions and encourage us to properly define and back up our beliefs to maintain our credibility and to fuel our constant fight for the unbiased truth.

Of course, Scram is probably doing it because he is extremely critical of any point of view that can be vaguely considered left wing or that is supported by what he sees as liberals blindly following a "Hollywood" or "Euro-chic" point of view. But, whatever his true motivation, as long as it is preformed within reason, he serves to keep us honest. I don't mind that role.

Yorke... I see you as one of the most level headed guys around here. I like how you've laid out this post.

But I don't see where scram has done anything but come in and set off a bomb. He asks a question, then attacks the answers. Then when you try to explain further, he calls you defensive. He puts words into your post and then attacks you for it. Nowhere did I say I hate Falwell. I think he misused his power and that in my mind, makes him a bad person.