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spydur86
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t3390)
UTG (t3325)
MP (t2860)
Button (t2440)
Hero (t1485)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K.
1 fold, MP raises to t400, Button raises to t1000, Hero ??

Final Pot: t1700

Button has been playing solid all night, hasn't shown down too much but what he has have been monsters. I haven't seen him get too out of line with raising pre-flop either. Maybe I second guessed myself because the rest of my poker night has been horrible beats, but I really really feel like I'm absolutely destroyed right here.
Zach6668
I would shove at this point, but I probably overplay AK.
simo_8ball
You have seven times the big blind. Please don't fold AK.
litlebullet
what simo said. Instashove it.
DoinSublime
Is it alright to post a picture of a shovel?
jmbreslin
That minraise is pretty brutal and he probably interpreted it as weakness (which means his raising range might be much wider than you expect). Your M is dropping, you're dealt AKs, and it's folded to you. No better time for a PF push. You don't want to let him see the flop if you don't have to since hands like AKs can quickly become problematic on the flop if you don't hit something. If you push, you either take the blinds right there or you are at worst a slight dog against an underpair (barring the unlikely event that he's holding AA or KK).
DoinSublime
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 9:14 AM) *
That minraise is pretty brutal and he probably interpreted it as weakness (which means his raising range might be much wider than you expect). Your M is dropping, you're dealt AKs, and it's folded to you. No better time for a PF push.


Well said.
meservery
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 9:14 AM) *
That minraise is pretty brutal and he probably interpreted it as weakness (which means his raising range might be much wider than you expect). Your M is dropping, you're dealt AKs, and it's folded to you. No better time for a PF push. You don't want to let him see the flop if you don't have to since hands like AKs can quickly become problematic on the flop if you don't hit something. If you push, you either take the blinds right there or you are at worst a slight dog against an underpair (barring the unlikely event that he's holding AA or KK).

Either I'm going crazy or you read the hand wrong. MP open raises to 400. Button makes it 1000. Hero hasnt acted yet and is in the SB with AsKs.
jmbreslin
QUOTE (meservery @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 10:27 AM) *
Either I'm going crazy or you read the hand wrong. MP open raises to 400. Button makes it 1000. Hero hasnt acted yet and is in the SB with AsKs.


Cripes, sorry about that - I read MP as Hero.

Either way, you're holding one of the best starting hands to push with given your M, even with raises in front of you. Button could be trying to bully MP off the pot, sensing weakness in his minraise. Bottom line is that Hero is still in a good position to push back. Either opponent could be making their raises with a PP or hands like AQ, KQ, QJs, ATs, etc. The only hands you really have to fear are AA and KK, which are less likely considering that you're holding one of each. Against the rest of the range you are, at worst, a slight dog.
spydur86
Well, it may be too early for results, but oh well. I folded AK, the original raiser folded and the button mucked and didn't show. I later asked him what he had and he said JJ (so I wasn't entirely wrong about him having a high pocket pair), but I guess I gave him too much credit. I did go on to win the tourney by stealing blinds and catching a couple nice hands later on.

I dunno, I really hate putting my tourney life on a coinflip, or the possibility of being absolutely dominated. I suppose sometimes it's necessary and you have to take risks but this just didn't feel like the right time to me. I'd rather get FIV a few times, steal a couple blinds and be able to actually play poker.
jmbreslin
QUOTE (spydur86 @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 12:25 PM) *
I dunno, I really hate putting my tourney life on a coinflip, or the possibility of being absolutely dominated. I suppose sometimes it's necessary and you have to take risks but this just didn't feel like the right time to me. I'd rather get FIV a few times, steal a couple blinds and be able to actually play poker.


These are two very different circumstances. Ideally you don't want to put your tourney life on the line in either situation, but sometimes you have no choice but to do so when you may be a coinflip. In this situation, however, I think it's safe to say that you were likely at worst a coinflip - and you could have just as likely had both of your opponents dominated (if they raised with hands like AQ, KQ, KJ, etc.).

My biggest weakness is playing scared, but this was playing really scared IMO.
spydur86
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 8:38 AM) *
These are two very different circumstances. Ideally you don't want to put your tourney life on the line in either situation, but sometimes you have no choice but to do so when you may be a coinflip. In this situation, however, I think it's safe to say that you were likely at worst a coinflip - and you could have just as likely had both of your opponents dominated (if they raised with hands like AQ, KQ, KJ, etc.).

My biggest weakness is playing scared, but this was playing really scared IMO.



Probably, I'd taken a couple disgusting disgusting beats earlier in the night and it was most likely affecting my play.
litlebullet
that's fine that you were a bit shellshocked by bad beats but I wouldn't fold ak with less than 10-11 bb, esp. since your the short stack and there's still 5 left. If I had around 15 bb I could then begin thinking about folding that hand. My sng tutor says sng's aren't about reads, they are about situations, and I'm finally beginning to really understand and accept that.
spydur86
QUOTE (litlebullet @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 12:11 PM) *
sng's aren't about reads, they are about situations.



Guess I need to work on that part.
RISEorFall
QUOTE (litlebullet @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 12:11 PM) *
My sng tutor says sng's aren't about reads, they are about situations,


but reads definately help with figuring out situations
spydur86
QUOTE (RISEorFall @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 8:12 PM) *
but reads definately help with figuring out situations


Also true.
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