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meservery
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.60
UTG+1: $93.10
Hero: $50
Button: $23.50
SB: $28
BB: $55.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $2.75, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 9 icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif ($9.25, 3 players)
SB bets $3.5, BB raises to $19.75, Hero?
bdc30
I think you have to muck this. Sucks though...
Most of your outs are probably in their hands already.
BudBundy
Are you kidding?

Hero pushes all in and yells "ONE TIME!!"

We have flush outs , straight outs , a ton of backdoor draws. I am pretty sure we are favourite against a naked straight or set without redraws...

...Someone should do the math tho.

*BudBundy looks at Simo with puppy eyes.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, May 1st, 2007, 6:45 PM) *
...Someone should do the math tho.

*BudBundy looks at Simo with puppy eyes.


CODE
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Qs 9s Td
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
As Ts  Kd  4d  344  41.95   476  58.05    0  0.00  0.420
Qc 3c  2c  Qh  476  58.05   344  41.95    0  0.00  0.580


CODE
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Qs 9s Td
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
As Ts  Kd  4d  289  35.24   523  63.78    8  0.98  0.357
Ks Js  Qc  Qh  523  63.78   289  35.24    8  0.98  0.643


CODE
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Qs 9s Td
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
As Ts  Kd  4d  403  49.15   409  49.88    8  0.98  0.496
Ks Js  3c  2c  409  49.88   403  49.15    8  0.98  0.504


I think I'm happy getting it in here. At worst we are a 2/1 dog.
bdc30
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, May 1st, 2007, 9:45 AM) *
We have flush outs (correct - how many though? there HAVE to be spades in the other guy's hands to make this bet and raise, don't there?) , straight outs (we're drawing to ONLY a jack, which also must be in other guys hands the way the action has played out) , a ton of backdoor draws (what backdoor draws? a diamond maybe? - what else?)


Sorta my thoughts in a nutsell. We're looking at 6-8 outs tops, with 2 to come. Meh.
meservery
Some of our outs are probably gone sure. But I cant really see us only having 6-8. That seems awfully low.
BudBundy
When we are counting our outs , we can't say "they have to have some of our spades". Any rainbow KJ is making the same re-raise. I don't see how we are drawing to only one jack either.

You are putting us on the worst shape possible - Both bettor and raiser should have Nut straight with flush backups - while we will be against top two , set , or nut straight most of the time.

We have a diamond draw. we have a pair on the flop which can lead to a FH. Small chances but they definitely add to our chance. Remember how many times you lost to runner runner FH or flush while you are holding the nut straight.
bdc30
I never said just one jack. - I said we're drawing to ONLY a jack for a straight, we have a gutshot draw only.

I just think there are spots I'd rather be stuffing money in to a pot, such as with a huge wrap draw or a set already or something like that.
BudBundy
Folding definitely can't be a huge mistake.

How about this

You just watched Sammy Farha on HSP and you feel like gambling.

Do you flat call to drag SB in or re-pot to push him off?
meservery
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, May 1st, 2007, 3:55 PM) *
Folding definitely can't be a huge mistake.

How about this

You just watched Sammy Farha on HSP and you feel like gambling.

Do you flat call to drag SB in or re-pot to push him off?

My hand would be a lot worse and my opponent would be better than Freddy Deeb.
bdc30
Fold>Push>Call imo.
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