Texas considers executing repeat child rapists

Generally speaking, child rapists tend to not live long if left in a prisons general population anyway, any sentence for them is generally a death sentence, now they are just wasting tax dollars making it a issue that was already being done without the paperwork.

Nice first move. Although I'd be more happy if it were for the first offense, not a repeat offense, and not only applicable to cases of children but to adult rapes as well.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I'm not ready to lose Ron Mexico over one little roofie incident, okay?

Doesn't count. You know you wanted it anyway, you just needed a little help along.

He likes it when I pretend to put up a fight.

This is very true. I have friends that work in the prison system here in Ohio. They say that whenever they have an inmate thats a child rapist they have to keep a close eye on them. The other inmates might be criminals or murders but they still think people like this needs the death sentence. They say it usually takes a week or two but the person gets beat up quite often.

Someone better alert Amarillo Slim

I dont see this surviving Supreme Court Appeal. If it even gets that far.

I would rather see the child rapist go to prison.

All the problems with the death penalty apply to this as well. Innocent people will be put to death in a racially biased way under laws like these and millions upon millions of tax dollars waisted, for what? so you can feel a little visceral rush of revenge?


And I'm sorry, but child rape is not the equivalent of murdering someone, and should not have the equivalent punishment. child rape is horrid, absolutely disgusting. But the children, with love and support and therapy can grow up to live normal lives. When someone is murdered, you take away every thing that person is, and everything they are ever going to be.

And for the viscerally inclined, child rapists have a very high prison morality rate, and their "prison experience" is often much, much more harsh than the average inmate, as guards and prisoners alike hold them with the utmost disdain, and make their lives absolutely hell, and often kill them. That should be more than enough to satisfy your vengeance fueled blood lust without having to waist more of my money trying to get them executed.

I agree 100% with Mr. Big D, above.

Life has some strange twists and turns

The death penalty is an arcane way of punishing the guilty.

I agree that rape isn't as bad as the finality of murder but this statement is simply wrong. Kids like this will be affected for the rest of there lives and it will have bearing on every relationship they have.

What the hell is normal anyway.

This statement is not false. "Affected" doesn't mean "ruined". Children are much more resilient than you would imagine, and there are many psychological studies that show the psychological damage caused by childhood sexual assault is no where near the public's perception.

This is not to gloss over or dismiss how disgusting and horrible child rape is. It is both. However, I think people get particularly emotional about the issue because of the protective parental type feelings. They think " If my kid ever got raped, I'd kill that motherf*cker." However, state criminal statutes should not be based on the emotion of your child being victimized. On a personal level, there are a few things if done to me and my family that I would probably take mortal revenge on the person who did the crime, if given the opportunity. The raping of my child would be one of those things. However, state policy has to be divorced from that kind of emotion.

The bolded portion, I have to disagree with. How often does a victim of a childhood rape go on to live a normal life? Regardless of how much therapy they go through and how much love they're given, I highly doubt it's a high percentage. Are there exceptions? Of course, but the victims of these crimes will always have that stigma of being raped.

I do agree 100% with everything else. Good post.

You are mistaken.. I know it seems counter intuitive, but the truth is that it is far less damaging than you would imagine. the studies show that while there is a higher chance for children who are victims of sexual assaults to have psychological disorders and issues like substance addiction and dangerous sexual behavior as adults, it is far, far from the majority of victims, and the percent difference between gen pop is much, much lower than you'd ever imagine. I don't remember the exact statistics, as it's been a while since the human sexuality and psychology courses I took in college. But if anyone wants to say, wager, that 50 percent of victims of sexual assault develop serious psychological disorders as adults, I'll take the under.

Getting back to the issue, there's no way that the death penalty applied to child rapists will in any way be a deterrant. The vast majority of serial child rapists have severe psychological disorders and/or developmental disorders( IE they are Retards). IF the fear of a life of prison beat downs and perpetual fear of getting a shiv doesn't prevent them from acting on their sexually compulsive urges, the death penalty will not deter them either. Most sexual predators have severe compulsions they have little control over, and they need to be taken out of society for the general welfare. My college professorial adviser advocated chemical castration, making sex offenders take testosterone suppressants in order to kill their sex drives. In any case, the death penalty for something that is essentially a psychological disorder I think is absurd. The only reason to make it a death penalty offense is for revenge. And I'm sure that's fine with many people. I personally think old testament morality as a basis for the criminal justice system borders on barbaric. If you want to use the death penalty as a true deterrent, then you have to expand the death penalty to many more offenses than murder or child rape, and you have to execute the penalty swiftly and brutally. IE we have to take on an totalitarian criminal justice system, akin to China or the islamic world. In those countries, the death penalty is a deterrent, it's used to instill fear into the populace.

I feel, in general, that the United States' criminal justice system is in some limbo between that of a modern free society and that of totalitarian society. Being on that kind of fence is no way to run a railroad, and just produces a vast prison system that doubles as a finishing school and networking venue for career criminals. THe US needs to pick a side of the fence. Either totally rehaul the prison system towards rehabilitation, or turn up the screws and start chopping off some arms, castrating sex offenders and public stonings.

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The bolded portion, I have to disagree with. How often does a victim of a childhood rape go on to live a normal life? Regardless of how much therapy they go through and how much love they're given, I highly doubt it's a high percentage. Are there exceptions? Of course, but the victims of these crimes will always have that stigma of being raped.

I do agree 100% with everything else. Good post.
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What is the stat, 1 in 6 women will be victimized by some sort of sexual assault in there life?

The stigma of being raped is your perception, not the victims,thank God. They can and do go on to live normal, happy lives.

So your saying if your kid was raped you wouldnt want nothing more then the guy that did it to go to jail and thats it. Hmm I highly doubt you would feel this way if it happened to you. Yes its easy to stand back and think this way. The fact of the matter is until it happens to you or one of your loved ones you will never know the feeling of pain that comes along with this. You say that through everything you talk about people do come out fine. Yea your right in some cases. But what about the people around them. They are also affected.

Lets say its was your mom that was raped would you still feel the same way. I guarantee you wouldn't. Trust me you have know clue what you are talking about. Once you have a kid kidnapped, raped, and then left for dead thats when you will know the true you. Now you can only speak from one side. So until it happens to you please leave this topic alone.

I dont mean to start an argruement just stating facts that people that only see one side have no clue about. I am sorry if I offended anyone. Please dont comment on something unless you have lived through it.

No, That's exactly what I WASN'T saying. I believe I said if my child was raped, I'd want to kill the man who did it. What I AM saying is my personal emotional reaction to my child's rape should be irrelevant in determining what the punishment should be. If we, as a society, want to adopt revenge as the basis of our criminal justice system, why even have a criminal justice system at all? Why not just let people use vigilante justice, form a posse, and hang the criminals on the lynchin' tree. It would be alot cheaper.








This argument is absolutely absurd. "don't speak on something unless you've lived through it". So our lawmakers should exclusively be people who've had family members raped and killed? That's ridiculous. My whole point is that criminal justice punishments should be completely divorced from the emotion and anger of having a loved one murdered/raped/beat/ ect. Family members of victims should be the last people who should determine what the punishment should be because they have absolutely no objectivity on the matter. Criminal justice should be based on logic and reason not on anger and hate.

I've always dream't of being part of a revenge posse. So...romantic. Plus, vigilantes get all the ladies.

I agree that the criminal justice system should be based on logic and reason. In my eyes seeing it first hand **** em. I feel eye for an eye is the way to go. Its bullshi*t to watch these people get special cells to keep outta of general population in prison. You say stop spending our tax dollars well the problem it wont happen cause people like you think they need to go the court ways. Do you know how much money is spent on guys on death row. Here in ohio its unreal. The fact of the matter the more we have in prison the more money we spend on taxes. So i say kill everyone one that is sentence to life. Then the only reason we need prisons is for the ones that have a chance to get out.

If you really want to do something about the system, here's how you handle rape: if a woman comes forward about it, find a way to humiliate her so thoroughly that no one else ever will. Problem solved.

Next crime.

This information from wikipedia.
Crimes subject to the death penalty vary by jurisdiction. All jurisdictions which use capital punishment designate the highest grade of murder a capital crime, although most jurisdictions require additional aggravating circumstances. Treason is a capital offense in several jurisdictions. Other capital crimes include: aggravated kidnapping in Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky and South Carolina; train wrecking which leads to a person's death[10] and perjury which leads to a person's death in California;[11] aircraft hijacking in Georgia and Mississippi; aggravated rape of victim under age 12 in Louisiana; capital sexual battery in Florida; and capital narcotics conspiracy in Florida and New Jersey. Federal death penalty crimes are various degrees and types of murder as well as treason; espionage; large scale drug trafficking; kidnapping across state lines resulting in the victim's death; and attempting to kill any officer, juror, or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise. There are 14 crimes subject to the death penalty under U.S. military law; some of them, such as desertion, are only applicable in times of war.

In practice, no one has been executed for a crime other than murder or conspiracy to murder since 1964, when James Coburn was executed for robbery in Alabama on September 4. There is currently only one death row inmate convicted of any crime other than murder — Patrick O. Kennedy in Louisiana, who was sentenced to death for the aggravated rape of his then eight year old step-daughter.[12]

Nine countries that have executed juvenile offenders since 1990 include China, D.R. Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the U.S.
The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, which forbids capital punishment for juveniles, has been signed and ratified by all countries except for the USA and Somalia.

/end wikipedia

really compaired to other things that are already capital punishment crimes why not? Most other countries have capital punishment for drug trafficking and the arguement for that are easily transferable to rape.

from a rational logical perspective i agree with BigDMcGee but the law reflects the moral views of the majority unfortunately so i dont see this bill being stoped.

In a perfect system it could be an option for all crimes and judges would use perfect discretion to pick the right punishment to the right crime. If only judges could be trusted.

One of these things is not like the others... one of these things is not the same.



Most other countries like China, D.R. Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan. What delightful company to be in.

I know exactly how much money is spent on guys on death row. This is one of the very biggest reasons why I don't think the death penalty should be extended. I'm not sure exactly what " people like me think they need to go the court ways". You mean things like have trials and appeals? You don't think something like taking someone's life for a crime should be a serious process, where me absolutely do every thing we can to make sure the person was guilty? If you want to do away with silly things like appeals and due process, I suggest you move to a country like China, D.R. Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan. They seem to share your jurisprudential philosophy.

Dont let that stat fool you. While we keep AWFUL company in this regard 69 countries still use capital punishment for adults.

10 more retain it, but only for crimes committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war). 29 other countries maintain laws permitting the use of the death penalty for ordinary crimes, but have allowed the death penalty to fall into disuse for at least 10 years.

Blue = Abolished for all crimes
Green= Abolished for crimes not committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war)
Orange=Abolished in Practice
Red=Legal Form of Punishment

note that most of the red is africa and the middle east. Most of the blue is europe.

I wasn't letting that stat fool me, I was stating that countries that use capital punishmen, with a couple notable exceptions, are totalitarian, backwards sh*tholes I'd never want to live in. And again, this supports my theory that the US justice system is in limbo. I bet violent crime rates are much lower in say, Saudia Arabia than they are here. But in order to get the death penalty to be a deterrent like it is in these countries, you'd have to strip away many rights, many freedoms and many levels of due process. Is that the kind of society you want to live in?

BigD seems to be making a lot of sense in this thread.

A rare but beautiful event.

I vote #2.

I'd expect nothing less from the hitler youth.

The death penalty is useless. More executions take place in the south yet the crime rate remains higher. If you really wanna punish someone make them rot away in a cell for the rest of their lives. I'd only agree with rehab if a prisoner agreed to do hard labor. Then you'd have a win/win situation.

The real question that needs to be addressed is whether the death penalty would lower the rate of child molestations/rape occuring. If the answer is yes, then I think it would be beneficial to our society. If your still stupid and disgusting enough to rape a child when you know you could be put to death, then good riddens.

If it does not lower the rate or number of offenders than it is not necessary and should be avoided.

How we would ever test that theory, I will leave up to you all.

thanks for contributing to the discussion.

The death penalty, as used in the united states, deters nothing. Study after study have shown it's utter failure as a murder deterrent. One can only assume that the DP applied to child rape, a crime that correlates even higher to severe mental illness and developmental disorders ( AKA retards) than murder, would show the same lack of effectiveness. This law has everthing to do with revenge and nothing to do with deterrence, don't kid yourselves.

In my opinion, the death penalty is one of the more cut and dry issues of contemporary American politics. It's nearly impossible to come up with a convincing argument for it. I find it surprising that it is still around in America. Gun control, on the other hand.....

I agree so much. There are no logical, rational arguments for the death penalty that hold up under any sort of scrutiny The only argument I really have no answer for is the revenge one.. that the people did something so horrible, that the deserve to die, and if a few innocent people get executed along the way *shrug* thats the price you pay for justice. I don't have any answer for that, except I think it's barbaric, morally bankrupt, and medieval. A modern, post-industrial democratic society should have cast it aside long ago.

If the death penalty was used to deter people from committing crimes then i would understand these argruements. As is we hardly ever put people to death compared to the people on death row. its unreal the amount of people going through the process. Problem is if we were to put people to death the way it should be done then it would deter them from committiing crimes. Its been proven time and again in countries that have the punishment like the eye for an eye theory. You rob someone you lose a hand you kill someone you lose your life. all in due process though. but once its proven no more appeals thats what has happened to this country.

We both agree that the death penalty would be more effective if we enforced it more often. The difference is you want to live in a fear gripped totalitarian state like Sandia Arabia and I don't.

I have ZERO idea how I feel about the penal system, other than that I find it to be sick. I'd prolly feel less that way if most of my hobbies weren't crimes, or if most crimes weren't some stupid religious or political game.

Im not wanting nothing like that. If they are proven to be guilty without a shadow of a doubt then yes put them to death. I would never want our country to be like that. To be scared to do anything in fear that your head could be chopped off. No i said nothing of the sort. I simply said if your guilty pay the crime. If people are scared to commit the crime then people wont do it right. hmmm. I would never want to live in a country where if the government says you done something wrong your dead on the spot thats crazy. But i do think if you are proven guilty without a shadow of doubt im fine with em taking them out and punishing them accordingly. Eye for and eye kinda thing.

NOTT saying I did this but what if you were 18 and let a 15 year old pleasure you at her equest, scale 1-10 how bad is that?

This argument is so flawed unless you are jewish. Living in a christian dominated society I am surprised that so many christians use eye for an eye as a basis for punishment. In the New Testament Jesus recanted on the Old Testament law and even specifically said to not go by an eye for an eye anymore.

Personally, I'd say about a 2. But that's just me.

What if you were 21 and she was 15, but told you she was 17, but you wouldnt have cared anyways, and you banged her?

blowjizzle, ya it was me, i said f ittttttttt

I'm as old as you want me to be.