I'm trying to plug a leak in my game and need some advice. I seem to consistently call bets when I feelim beat when I hold a large pp but the board is scary. I finally folded one in a small SNG, but its been eating me up so I need to know your opinions. Stacks were sorta small for the amounts being bet so I pussied out with a raise on the turn, which is what I guess I should have done? Btw, this opponent and I had an earlier hand which I'll post after this one that explains why I checked the flop. (he checked a/k there)

Full Tilt Poker Game #2236792122: $22 + $2 Sit & Go (Turbo) (16839440), Table 1 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:49:13 ET - 2007/04/18
Seat 2: JoeC22 (3,815)
Seat 3: GimmeDkeyzUFCS (1,600)
Seat 4: Rambo no5 (1,225)
Seat 5: LookAtMyNutsAA (2,255)
Seat 7: Skywier (2,055)
Seat 8: Tank369 (1,115)
Seat 9: stinkingthinkin (1,435)
Tank369 posts the small blind of 80
stinkingthinkin posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Skywier [Ks Kd]
JoeC22 folds
GimmeDkeyzUFCS folds
Rambo no5 folds
LookAtMyNutsAA folds
Skywier raises to 320
Tank369 folds
stinkingthinkin calls 160
*** FLOP *** [Ad 2c 8s]
stinkingthinkin checks
Skywier checks
*** TURN *** [Ad 2c 8s] [Tc]
stinkingthinkin bets 320
Skywier calls 320
*** RIVER *** [Ad 2c 8s Tc] [9d]
stinkingthinkin bets 795, and is all in
Skywier has 15 seconds left to act
Skywier folds
Uncalled bet of 795 returned to stinkingthinkin
stinkingthinkin mucks
stinkingthinkin wins the pot (1,360)
Skywier: i can't believe I just mucked kk
The blinds are now 100/200
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,360 | Rake 0
Board: [Ad 2c 8s Tc 9d]
Seat 2: JoeC22 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: GimmeDkeyzUFCS didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Rambo no5 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: LookAtMyNutsAA didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Skywier (button) folded on the River
Seat 8: Tank369 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: stinkingthinkin (big blind) collected (1,360), mucked


This was one of the first hands of the SNG

Full Tilt Poker Game #2236668747: $22 + $2 Sit & Go (Turbo) (16839440), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:30:37 ET - 2007/04/18
Seat 1: Dur13l (1,485)
Seat 2: JoeC22 (1,665)
Seat 3: GimmeDkeyzUFCS (1,210)
Seat 4: Rambo no5 (1,730)
Seat 5: LookAtMyNutsAA (1,420)
Seat 6: steveski2 (1,520)
Seat 7: Skywier (1,560)
Seat 8: Tank369 (1,500)
Seat 9: stinkingthinkin (1,410)
steveski2 posts the small blind of 20
Skywier posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Skywier [Ad 5c]
Tank369 folds
stinkingthinkin raises to 80
Dur13l folds
JoeC22 folds
GimmeDkeyzUFCS folds
Rambo no5 folds
LookAtMyNutsAA folds
steveski2 folds
Skywier calls 40
*** FLOP *** [2c Ah 7d]
Skywier checks
stinkingthinkin checks
*** TURN *** [2c Ah 7d] [6s]
Skywier bets 120
stinkingthinkin calls 120
*** RIVER *** [2c Ah 7d 6s] [5h]
Skywier bets 280
stinkingthinkin calls 280
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Skywier shows [Ad 5c] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
stinkingthinkin mucks
Skywier wins the pot (980) with two pair, Aces and Fives
The blinds are now 25/50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 980 | Rake 0
Board: [2c Ah 7d 6s 5h]
Seat 1: Dur13l didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: JoeC22 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: GimmeDkeyzUFCS didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Rambo no5 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: LookAtMyNutsAA (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: steveski2 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Skywier (big blind) showed [Ad 5c] and won (980) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 8: Tank369 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: stinkingthinkin mucked [Kd As] - a pair of Aces

I would raise a little more preflop.

And you should convert your hands and post in the tournament forum.

http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

I think you have to register to convert hands here, but it makes it so much easier to read.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t80/t160
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3815
UTG+1: t1600
MP1: t1225
CO: t2255
Hero: t2055
SB: t1115
BB: t1435

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is Button with K K
4 folds, Hero raises to t320, SB folds, BB calls t160 (pot was t560).

Flop: A 2 8 (t720, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: T (t720, 2 players)
BB bets t320, Hero calls t320 (pot was t1040).

River: 9 (t1360, 2 players)
BB is all-in t795, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: t795 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: t1360

TY for the advice.

The converter is cool. In a cash game I'll generally call there because I only have to be right 1 in 3 times to break even with the odds the pot was laying me, but a call in the tourney makes me very short stacked, so I guess I'm asking if this is a correct fold in a 9 handed SNG.

Good fold, you were beat.


Don't ever fall in love with your hand, you will get it again, and you will win with it and lose with it. Falling in love with a hand is the same as falling in love with a fish. They don't love you back so save your effort.

Yes, it's very cool.

Please make sure you use it in the future, and please read the forum posting guidelines.

Thanks.

- Zach

you have to raise more pf and c-bet the flop in the first one to protect your hand and figure out where you are at. the line you took is seriously uggo.

the second one (A5) you can fold preflop.

goodluck.

I'd raise the KK more preflop. 3xBB, maybe more. The players in these things like to call too much.

Second hand, even with the BB discount, I fold A5 preflop. You probably only have 3 outs vs an UTG+1 raise and you don't know if it's the A or the 5.

-M

KK hand....

Get pot committed pre flop.
Go broke on the flop.

Never call the turn and fold river on that hand
You can argue to fold turn or call river; but not call turn, fold river

When you say "Scary Board" you should ask yourself why it's scary? The first hand you have Kings. If the Ace scares you, dump the hand as soon as possible. However, the 9 is not a scary card for you there. What are the odds that villain is playing QJ on that line?

(I would at least take a stab at the flop to see if you can represent an Ace, but that's not my point)

On the second hand, do you really think that villain has 3/4 or 8/9 in that hand? Would he play the hand like that if he did?

(The bigger leak in your game is not folding A/5 preflop to a raise, even a minraise)

It's a scary board because he called the turn bet which either indicates teh Ace played slowly or maybe he picked up the straight draw, up or down gut shot style, I dunno. He could have been on Q/J or 6/7 of clubs and the turn was real nice for him. Maybe he calls a 3x BB bet with those suited connectors. Doesn't really matter, the point is it was scary for me and regardless of the mistakes made prior (i raised 3x teh BB on the button, after all, I wasn't scared of a little action), my main question is, Is it a mistake in a SNG (not my speciality) to fold this hand? If I call and am wrong I have like 800 chips and am hurting. By folding I'm right at 1500, but is that too passive? Most the people I talk to say I was beat and the fold was good but I should have bet the flop....


The A/5 (SOOOOOOTED) is a hand I'll call a min raise from out of the BB when the blinds are real low, hoping for some fun on the flop or I get away pretty easy. I didn't post that for that reason though, I posted it to show how the opponent check a flopped Ace with A/K. Yes I got lucky and caught Aces up, but that check was going through my mind on the subsequent hand with the KK. Anyways.... I don't have any ego involved here...just trying to get better at SNGs and looking for some help.

Thanks for the comments all.