I was able to scrounge together around $700 from a few of my buddy's rakeback accounts and got it onto full tilt. I'm a 3/6nl and 5/10nl regular on bodog, and would like to get my FTP account rolled to similar levels fairly quickly. So my question is, what do ya'll think the fastest way to turn 700 bucks into the bare min roll to play 3/6, say around 8k, with a risk of ruin of less than 35%?

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10 dollar and 20 dollar sng's my suggestion won't be quick but you could get there...

Nah, this wouldn't be nearly quick enough, and I'd be losing too much money by playing those rather than playing more normal games for that long. What do you think my risk of ruin would be playing sng's with 10-12 buy ins? ie, start with 50's, and move up to hundreds when i get to like 1100, move to 200's when i get to 2.2k or so? Also, has anyone tried the aba method of playing nl games with 10 buy ins and moving down when they drop below 8?

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yikes man! 50's and 100's they'd eat a non-sng specialist for lunch! That and you should have like atleast 25 buyins rolled for sng's.

I understand that I'd be underrolled, but I'm also willing to have a higher risk of ruin since 700 dollars represents a miniscule portion of my bankroll. As far as them eating me alive, is that play at 50 and 100 dollar sng's really that tough? I figured it would be comparable to the play at 50nl and 100nl, which basically play like play money. Why are sng's so much tougher?

I'm not sure, you should ask somone that plays sng's that high lol. I can't believe 40+ views on this and this fish is the only one that's chipped in an opinion. sng's are a very different beast, you play them perfectly and they are supposedly the least variance of all forms of poker, but that's just the thing. People that play them that high will prob be playing perfect poker and unless you know perfect sng strategy you can't compete. See what I'm saying. Just trying to help.

I haven't played SnGs regularly in close to a year, but from my experiences at the time (when I'd play the $109s and $215s on Party), I'd say the difficulty won't be too bad and a solid NL cash player could learn the adjustments pretty quick. However, SnGs are a variance monster and I wouldn't recommend them to try to build up a short roll. You can easily run bad for weeks there and your ROR would be well over 50% with your plan.

Are you just a NL player or are you good at other forms of poker too? I'm pretty much in your exact spot right now, trying to run up a short roll on Full Tilt after being a mid-to-high stakes winner before. IMO, the softest low-stakes games on FT are the HORSE games, and if you started at 2/4 or 3/6, you'd have a great shot at regaining a solid roll quickly. They don't usually run more than one table at a time though, so while you do that, you'd probably want to supplement that with some NL on the side.

If NL cash games are really far and away your top skill then you should probably just stick with those. I think that moving up at 10 BI and down at 8 BI is a great idea if you're trying to run it up quickly. I'd think you could do it within a month if you run decently well, although I don't have any specific experience with the NL cash games on Full Tilt. If you really just want to take a shot at running it up and don't care if you lose the money, then taking some shots at MTTs might be a decent idea too, as you have a decent shot at getting a nice roll quickly and the MTTs are probably the only NL games you'll find that will be better than they are on Bodog. If all you do is play NL cash, there's really not even much point in running up a Full Tilt roll until you're ready to play 25/50 as the games on Bodog will be better all the way up through 10/20.

Thanks for the input, my main reason for wanting to get a roll on FTP is to supplement the 3 table max on bodog. I suck at limit games and don't have the time to learn right now. 50% is a little to high ror for me, guess I'll see if I can handle the 100nl game and play some MTT's for a while.

SNG's are just a completely different animal then cash games and MTT's. You have to have sound SNG strategies and tools to be able to be successful. I would read up on some SNG strats before jumping right in.

Otherwise hit up AP's 5/10 or 10/20 LHE....so soft its not even funny.

Took $500 to $2400 in little over 4 hours the other day playing 3 tables of 10/20

hence why you would not want to jump into 50's and 100's with the sharks.

The 50's and 100's are not full of sharks. Trust me. You could own these pretty bad, but you might as well stick to Nl cash or a couple Mtt's like Iggy said.

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lol 3 hours of play running hot does not mean they are soft.

While the aren't as tough as they used to be, they are filled with pros feeding off of one or two donks, generally.

full ring or short handed?

what's your sn?

The sng's are a good idea, but risky if u happen to run slightly bad.

example, even a good sng player could spin his tires trying to make a quick BR if he takes a few suck outs during late stages of SNG play.

My advice would be to make the money playing live, if u can.. (for me anyways, live play is way more profitable, although more hassle, but a easy way to make a quick 4:1 on your money

There are 10/20 full rings on AP?

I've seen it once.

FT 100 full ring is very soft -- you should be able to make money there quickly.

FT 200 HU is 70% soft -- you'll be able to tell within five hands what you're dealing with.

FT Razz is ultra-soft. I ran $40 into $500 in 45 minutes a couple weeks ago.

People talk about PL omaha Hi/Lo being soft ... I suck at Omaha, so I wouldn't know.