I was reading www.pokerlistings.com the other day and I came across there question of the day for april 14th. actually heres a link to it to check it out http://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-question?s=3&w=15
In this hand you flop an open ended straight flush draw. The question advocates 3 bet jamming with your OESFD. I think this only works sometimes, you need to have the correct type of opponent. If the villain can't lay down an over pair in this spot then it is a -ev move.
Any thoughts?
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It's actually the definition of +EV.
If you have an OESFD and get it all in against an overpair everytime, you'll be a very wealthy guy.
If you have an OESFD and get it all in against an overpair everytime, you'll be a very wealthy guy.
OESFD favorite over an over-pair, so probably a good situation against this type of hand:- +ev. Also in Nl, if you only bet your big draws when they hit ,you will be losing EV long term, due to opponents not paying you off.
+EV
If you have an open-ended straight flush draw and your opponent has an overpair (without one of your flush cards) then you are a 56.25% to 43.75% favorite to win the pot.
If your opponent has the overpair with a backdoor flush draw, then you're still a 52.6% to 47.4% favorite.
I'll take those odds every time. Plus, if your opponent folds his overpair (or has any other weaker hand) then it's even higher +EV.
If your opponent has the overpair with a backdoor flush draw, then you're still a 52.6% to 47.4% favorite.
I'll take those odds every time. Plus, if your opponent folds his overpair (or has any other weaker hand) then it's even higher +EV.
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, April 16th, 2007, 1:09 PM) 
If you have an open-ended straight flush draw and your opponent has an overpair (without one of your flush cards) then you are a 56.25% to 43.75% favorite to win the pot.
If your opponent has the overpair with a backdoor flush draw, then you're still a 52.6% to 47.4% favorite.
I'll take those odds every time. Plus, if your opponent folds his overpair (or has any other weaker hand) then it's even higher +EV.
If your opponent has the overpair with a backdoor flush draw, then you're still a 52.6% to 47.4% favorite.
I'll take those odds every time. Plus, if your opponent folds his overpair (or has any other weaker hand) then it's even higher +EV.
What he said
QUOTE (davezz5 @ Monday, April 16th, 2007, 12:27 PM)
OESFD favorite over an over-pair, so probably a good situation against this type of hand:- +ev. Also in Nl, if you only bet your big draws when they hit ,you will be losing EV long term, due to opponents not paying you off.
^^exactly..
+EV
QUOTE (KirkMclean @ Monday, April 16th, 2007, 9:19 AM)
I was reading www.pokerlistings.com the other day and I came across there question of the day for april 14th. actually heres a link to it to check it out http://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-question?s=3&w=15
In this hand you flop an open ended straight flush draw. The question advocates 3 bet jamming with your OESFD. I think this only works sometimes, you need to have the correct type of opponent. If the villain can't lay down an over pair in this spot then it is a -ev move.
Any thoughts?
In this hand you flop an open ended straight flush draw. The question advocates 3 bet jamming with your OESFD. I think this only works sometimes, you need to have the correct type of opponent. If the villain can't lay down an over pair in this spot then it is a -ev move.
Any thoughts?
my thought is...
why do you think that? And for how long have you?
- Jordan
SHHHHH you guys are giving away the last advantage I have left... The issue is getting your opponent to get all the money in on the flop, without him having a set.
QUOTE (KirkMclean @ Monday, April 16th, 2007, 10:19 AM)
I think this only works sometimes, you need to have the correct type of opponent. If the villain can't lay down an over pair in this spot then it is a -ev move.
The only "sometimes" that this works is in any hand where the villain has an overpair, set or basically any single hand and chooses to either call your all-in or fold to your all-in. Hey, wait, that kinda covers pretty much EVERY situation doesn't it?
Hmm, I guess that fastplaying a 15 card draw when you're heads-up is pretty much always +EV. Just make sure to play your sets super fast too to get paid on them the same way.
QUOTE (Naismith @ Monday, April 16th, 2007, 9:23 AM)
It's actually the definition of +EV.
If you have an OESFD and get it all in against an overpair everytime, you'll be a very wealthy guy.
If you have an OESFD and get it all in against an overpair everytime, you'll be a very wealthy guy.
OESFD is my dream flop.
Ok now what about TODAY'S question there? I mean I'm probably going to bet that turn every time. I don't think getting check raised there would be the end of the world by any means. I see what they are saying tho about just checking behind and trying to see if you make your draw to the nuts. But what is everyones feelings towards this hand? I think this is a very borderline situation definitely not cut and dry!
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