Sat down about 20 minutes ago from a broken table.
This new table is fairly loosey goosey.
I have around $775.
I straddle and I'm dealt two red tens.
Six limpers to me in the straddle.
I make it $30 to go.
Folds around to one caller from SB.
He's one of the loosey goosey players.
There's what ... around $75 +/- in the pot now.

Flop: 10c, 9c, 8s

SB checks and I lead for $100. I have top set. My thinking is to give a bad price to this draw heavy board and build a pot for this good hand. SB calls.

More information: frankly, it's difficult to tell where SB was preflop -- limping with a big PP and anticipating my raise would not at all be unexpected, as would middle to high connectors. $275 +/- pot

Turn: 6s. SB checks and I lead for $150. SB calls. Pot is huge now.

River: Qc. SB checks.

I've got $280 into this $600 pot and second set with the **** coordinated out of this board now, and around $500 behind. SB has around $300 left.

What do I do and why do I do it?

Well, you have 2 choices of course.

I think checking is the only play here. The flush got there. The top and bottom end of the OESD (J and 7) got there and you've got a set. Yeah, you might have the best hand, but what the hell can he call you with after that card falls? He could easily be checking a J or a less likely 7 to you on the river for fear that you made your flush.

I think you played the pot very well and on the river you just have to check becuase every single draw imaginable got there and even if he had 2 pair or something already, he can't pay you off.

i agree with acid knight....checking really is your only option. Unless you specifically put him on an overpair which depending on the player can be difficult. If you check you limit your loss and like he said....if he has 2 pair he will fold....only hand that will call you is a winning one. What did you end up doing?

What do you do?
You thank your lucky stars that you have position on him.

Why?
Because if you weren't in position this could would be really awkward, and possibly (probably) a check/fold.

I don't necessarily agree with this. I think you get called often by two pair in this scenario.

That said, I still check behind. I've been working on getting value on rivers in thin situations, but I think this one is a little too dangerous.

I think the villain turns over Jx a lot here. He drew to his straight and didn't bet the river when the flush card came off.

I think it's really really unlikely that you get called by 2 pair.

I must really be screwed up by the quality of players I play against.

OK, so I'm pretty sure that when he checks to me, he's got overs and just wants to roll them over and see where he's at. I bet another $100.

I think we might both play kind of LAGGY which might change the way villians play against us... or we just play with crackheads.

LAGGY, how I miss you.

I've been playing super-duper tight for a couple months now. It's painful. Of course, no one in my game has noticed. You've never seen someone get paid off so frequently with the nuts.

making more money though?

Edit: I really don't like opening the betting here. If he pushes are you going to call? If not just check.

Betting here is pure insanity.

And you're calling a push if you're betting here?

Yes, making more money. Winning more consistently. Walking around with wads of cash like some sort of gangster.

I really don't mind the value-bet with a strong read but like AK asked, are you calling a push here if he comes over the top?

No. Absolutely not. If he pushes, I'm so far behind in the hand that it's not even funny and I've totally mis-read him. But the river check showed me total weakness. I don't think he likes the river any more than I do, maybe less. I'm just reminded about this hand because we talked in another thread about reads ... and I completely read weakness in his river check.

He could hate this river with a 7 in his hand, the J counterfeited him and the club draw made it.

If you're not calling a push, you're not allowed to bet. It's really simple.

The pot is already quite large and you have a hand that used to be a monster and is now marginal at best, but is still likely to take down the pot. Reopening betting and possibly getting reraised is a huge mistake if you're going to fold and not go to showdown.

it is a weak river check....but a low straight on that board despite being weak, might call a $100 bet....did he call?

Explain how this is a weak check on the river please. Every imaginable drawing hand is now beating the Hero. Why is checking here bad and what do you put the villain on that they will pay you off?

A key that you have to look at OP is the value of your river bet. You may likely be ahead, but what hand is going to call your bet on the river that you beat? It seems like almost nothing you are beating will call a river bet, maybe other sets? So if you bet and don't get called you win the pot that was out there anyways, that's not a bad thing.

The reverse is that you bet and get C/R all in. You lose a big pot no matter what villain has and you don't get to showdown. The fact that I think you aren't getting villain to fold any hand that beats you and not getting him to call with any hand that you beat makes a river bet very poor.

I check it down, there aren't very many hands he should be calling with that you can beat. The pot is pretty big, I'd be happy with a free showdown.

Villain went into the tank for five minutes. Does that mean we're good?

if you put him on overs what does this bet accomplish? Is he calling with just a Q?

not always, if he has a 7 he's got to hate the turn and river. But he still beats you.

Villain cuts off $100 three times then re-stacks it.

Holds his cards, ready to muck twice.

Then turns away from the table and throws $100 into the pot and rolls over a red 7,8.

In the end, he says if I bet one chip more than $100, he would have dumped.

...

What can I learn here?

Pretty much what everyone said from the beginning. You're never going to get called by a worse hand. Look how long he took to call with a hand that beat yours. You should've checked, taken your hand to showdown and lost $100 less than you did.

That said, I'm surprised he didn't raise the turn. I'd put him on Jx here much more often than I would 7x.

Before reading the results, I was honestly going to say that if you're even considering betting here, you have to push. There's no such thing as a "value bet" at this point, and a push gives you the most fold equity you can get. A push I think folds villain's hand here.
Betting $100 and planning to fold(?) to a reraise is pretty weak. I'd have just checked it down.

Imo Check>Push>Bet $100 here.

In a pot that big your bet almost forces him to call with a straight, if you hit the flush I don't think you'd bet that small. So to villain either you have a J or he's good.

In order I think check>push>$100 bet.




lol, I didn't even see this before my post.

I misread the opponent by having the misfortune of making his bet for him on the turn and disguising the strength of his hand for him at that point. But I think he played miserably by check-calling a big flop bet with not-so good odds and then simply check-calling the turn when he hit his hand. If he bets that turn hard (as he should with that board and me firing bullets preflop and on the flop), then I see the straight clearly and know I need the board to pair. Because of the way this played out, I was positive that I was still ahead and making money at the turn. When the river hit and he still didn't bet, I knew he didn't like the card. However, I couldn't for the life of me figure out why he was still in the hand, unless it was a spade draw or and overpair. If his overpair was KK, he misplayed them. However, if they were QQ, he now occupied the same uncomfortable territory I did, but he had a winner. I discounted AA. Didn't make sense as played. JJ should be firing hard. So, I figured a value-bet bluff was something I could put in and get away from if he pushed back. And it almost worked, but $100 just wasn't enough pressure.

The truth of the matter is that in retrospect, with that board, I should have pushed the flop, or checked the turn, or bet out the river based on my read. Three mistakes. One hand.

im confused, was ur 100$ on river a value bet or bluf???

this seems like an extremely standard check to me

Exactly. I got lost on every street of this hand.

I thought you played the hand almost flawlessly until the river actually.

He's never going to fold a hand that beats yours getting 7-1 on the river. Your bet was a thin value bet that was unnecessary IMO. A well played hand on all streets until the river.