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Snamuh
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($46.15)
CO ($48.50)
Button ($41)
SB ($30.95)
BB ($49.25)
UTG ($45.20)
Hero ($50)
MP1 ($88.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, 3 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 5, 7, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, CO raises to $7, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($18.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $9, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $27.75

How weak did I play this hand? I generally play hands pretty aggressively although l had a pretty bad feeling about this one. I generally hate playing big pairs out of position for big pots. My image at the table is very TAG (I hadn't been getting many hands and I was running closer to 11/4 compared to my usual 18/7.5). Villain is somewhat unknown to me - this hand came after only a few orbits and he'd been running fairly TAG and I had not seen him get out of line.

Generally I don't play so weakly but I really felt like I was beaten here and decided to pick a better spot. I'm curious to see how others would play this hand? Bet more on flop and shove to a raise? I doubted the villain had JJ-AA as he probably would have 3-bet preflop. TT is possible but that's really all I beat (I considered the flush draw less likely as I had the Ad). This hand smelled like a set and when the turn put 4 to the straight out, I just threw it away. Looking back on it, I'm not really happy with the way I played it. Thoughts?
zimmer4141
I bet more on the flop, and I 3-bet the hell out of that flop. I don't know if I would be able to get away from this hand, he's pushing most draws on this board hard, I reraise then re-evaluate if he pushes the flop.
Zach6668
I would reraise the flop.

It's so draw heavy that he could be making this move with a plethora of hands that we are ahead of.
NEtwowilldo
Three bet flop, fold to an all in.

Check fold the turn.
pokerplayer24
QUOTE (NEtwowilldo @ Thursday, April 12th, 2007, 7:08 PM) *
Three bet flop, fold to an all in.

Check fold the turn.



Just a general comment. If you're 3-betting a big hand on a draw heavy board you should basically never be folding it to a 4-bet unless you're very deep.

I like just calling the flop and either either leading or crai on a safe turn. As is this seems like a pretty def fold.
David_Nicoson
I don't think a competent villain minraises the flop with a draw. (Of course, not all the villains are competent.)

I think this is a hand like TT a lot.

I'm not sure what you were looking for on the turn. The villain probably puts you on unimproved overcards, so I think his bet on the turn doesn't tell you anything new. What I'm getting at here is why call the raise on the flop if you're going to fold to a weak bet on the turn?

On the other hand, there are worse sins than folding the best hand if it's one pair.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Thursday, April 12th, 2007, 4:09 PM) *
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($46.15)
CO ($48.50)
Button ($41)
SB ($30.95)
BB ($49.25)
UTG ($45.20)
Hero ($50)
MP1 ($88.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, 3 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 5, 7, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, CO raises to $7, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($18.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $9, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $27.75

How weak did I play this hand? I generally play hands pretty aggressively although l had a pretty bad feeling about this one. I generally hate playing big pairs out of position for big pots. My image at the table is very TAG (I hadn't been getting many hands and I was running closer to 11/4 compared to my usual 18/7.5). Villain is somewhat unknown to me - this hand came after only a few orbits and he'd been running fairly TAG and I had not seen him get out of line.

Generally I don't play so weakly but I really felt like I was beaten here and decided to pick a better spot. I'm curious to see how others would play this hand? Bet more on flop and shove to a raise? I doubted the villain had JJ-AA as he probably would have 3-bet preflop. TT is possible but that's really all I beat (I considered the flush draw less likely as I had the Ad). This hand smelled like a set and when the turn put 4 to the straight out, I just threw it away. Looking back on it, I'm not really happy with the way I played it. Thoughts?


Actually, unless action had been really slow, I'd raise more preflop. As it stands, your hand can't mature fast enough now to beat a straight. --- However, if I'm villain and I played 7-8 suited, this is how I play it. Your pattern indicates overs and if I'm the villain, I have tremendous confidence in my two pair right now. If paint hits the river, you could get a free showdown.
Acid_Knight
I don't know how I feel about all of this. I guess I'm ok with it. It's good to see people willing to bail out on AA on a board like that without putting in half of their stack first.
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