Well we dont really have a QB but for once we do have a whole lot of draft picks. I am encouraged that Miami seems to be taking a safe sensible approach to rebuilding while still making moves like the Joey Porter signing to maintain competitiveness.

I am cautiously optimistic longterm but a bit underwhelmed short term. They need a good draft for a change....

How do you see signing an older declining linebacker who has a history of running his mouth a good thing?

Out of curiosity.

Not to shit on your team or anything I just can't see the good standpoint of that signing.

While I don't necessarily agree with the huge overpayment of Porter, he seems like a "chip on the shoulder" type guy, and many people are saying he's on the decline, so hopefully, all the money won't make him soft, it'll push him to be better. Teaming him with Taylor is a recipe for disaster for opposing offenses. As a rule, teams always schemed for Porter when on the Steelers, and for Taylor while on the Phins, now having them both might create chaos. At least thats the plan.

As far as the QB, don't rule out Culpepper yet. Yes, he looked gawd awful last year, taking 21 sacks in 4 games and looking shaky, but hopefully, Cameron can right the ship, put together a simple offense and let his big arm and Chambers go to work. If we get Ricky back, that will be a nice 1 2 punch in the backfield. I'm still not sold on Brown. I like him, but I just don't see him as an absolute workhorse yet. Sucks that we had the number 2 pick in the weakest draft in years. Figures.

We lost one lineman (I think) but if the rest come back, and maybe we can pick one up, it will build some continuity that is needed up front. Hopefully, with the 9 pick and a few extra, we can get one or two impact guys. And here's hoping our number 1 pick from last year gets on the field and makes an impact. Who knows though, it may have been a reach. Too early to tell.

because it is a backloaded contract so if he cant play much they wont be killed by the cap hit long term.

meanwhile, he probably feels he has something to prove this year and he will be positioned next to Zach Thomas and Channing Crowder who are both good LBs and he will be rushing opposite Jason Taylor who commands double teams.

For those reasons I thought this was a great signing. He wont be expected to have to make tons of tackles....Crowder and Thomas will handle the rush defense mostly. All he has to do is rush the passer and make plays which he can do.....and he is in a good spot to do it as defenses will be focusing their double teams on Taylor.

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GTFO, trader.

We'll have our day on that Monday night game

I was under the impression he got 20M guaranteed, including 12M up front on a 32M contract.
He could have a good year no doubt but more likely his play will fall off despite the good situation he will be in.

Can't argue with your points though if he plays to potential it will be an extremely dominant Front 7.

Porter was an easy sign because it's a win now team.

I'm really hoping Miami can pick up Brady Quinn. That will happen if he can get past the top 3, at which point we should be on the phone with the Redskins. They have no 2nd,3rd or 4th rounders and don't need a QB. We desperately need a QB and have a ton of picks. It's a trade scenario made in heaven. Imo we ship our #9 and our 3rd for their #6 and grab Quinn.

Just looked at the schedule, as usual we get stiffed. My predictions.... errr hopes:

Regular Season
Sept. 9 at Washington Redskins CBS 1 p.m. W
Sept. 16 DALLAS COWBOYS FOX 4:05 p.m. W
Sept. 23 at New York Jets CBS 1 p.m. L
Sept. 30 OAKLAND RAIDERS CBS 1 p.m. W
Oct. 7 at Houston Texans CBS 1 p.m. W
Oct. 14 at Cleveland Browns CBS 1 p.m. W
Oct. 21 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS CBS 1 p.m. W
Oct. 28 NEW YORK GIANTS (at London's Wembley Stadium) FOX 1 p.m. W
Nov. 4 BYE WEEK
Nov. 11 BUFFALO BILLS CBS 1 p.m. W
Nov. 18 at Philadelphia CBS 1 p.m.* L
Nov. 26 at Pittsburgh Steelers ESPN 8:30 p.m. L
Dec. 2 NEW YORK JETS CBS 1 p.m.* W
Dec. 9 at Buffalo Bills CBS 1 p.m.* L
Dec. 16 BALTIMORE RAVENS CBS 1 p.m.* W
Dec. 23 at New England Patriots CBS 1 p.m.* L
Dec. 30 CINCINNATI BENGALS CBS 1 p.m.* L


So 10-6 at best I think. More than likely we'll go 8-8 because that 2nd half of the season is just ****ing horrible.

Desperate for a QB who doesn't show up in big games?

Yeah just one that played in a Pro-style Offense under Charlie Weiss and had a much worse supporting cast than any other QB prospect all the while putting up more PPG against the best defenses. Only reason Quinn's stock fell so much is because of that last game against LSU, and he didn't even get out-played by Jamarcus Russel. LSU just pounded away at that horrible ND defense. I'm not even an ND fan, so I'm actually glad he fell so low and below Jamarcus, cause there's no way we would get him if he was top 3.

Peyton Manning didn't "show up" for big games in college and in all the NFL playoffs prior to this one. He now has 1 ring, bunch of records, and probably many more to come. You can't pin a loss on one specific player.

12 mill up front is the key. The bulk of the guaranteed money is gone after this year.

Say he plays mediocrely for 15 games then blows out his knee never to play again.

The dolphins cap hit would be 8 mill, pro-rated over 4 years. Thats annoying but not a huge, damaging cap hit. Basically by guaranteeing so much up front, the Fish are gambling Porter will be huge his first couple years especially his first. For reasons stated in previous posts I think that is a solid bet.

If they dont shore up the O-line and QB it wont matter.


As for Brady Quinn, I tend to agree that ND's struggles in big games were not just his fault. Their D must share a lot of the blame. If he fell to 9 I would take him. It is worth the risk. I would NOT trade up for him though. The only player they should trade up for is Joe Thomas as franchise left tackles are rare and the Dolphins have been desperately seeking one since Richmond Webb went away.

Brady Quinn will never be anywhere near as good as Peyton Manning. A comparison to Ryan Leaf is probably a lot more accurate.

And when your the QB, a Heisman front runner, and supposedly the best QB in college you don't blame your teammates for your poor play against the good teams. Anytime the played a team with anything resembling a good talent on defense they got crushed. Michigan & LSU were two prime examples,and it just gets harder from here.

ugh everything lines up perfectly and then they pass on Quinn? I know he is not everyone's favorite but the fins end up with Ginn (major reach at #9 damn it) and John Beck?

With those picks they could have had: Brady Quinn and Dwayne Jarrett. which QB/WR tandem seems better???

soooo dumb. this is the worst miami sports week in a while.

It's clear they reached for Ginn at 9, but from what I have seen I think Beck has as good a chance or better than Quinn to be a successful QB in the league. Jarrett is going to be another headcase receiver, I think you will eventually be happy he's not on your team.

Well. if you can get a guy whose biggest strength is speed and has a bad foot at #9 in the draft, you have to grab him don't you?

Don't you?

then darelle revis and beck. Dolphins needed an upgrade in the defensive backfield. Much more than they needed an injured WR. I dont trash the fins for passing on Quinn as much as I do for reaching for Ginn.

Finally recovered from the Ginn pick. I hear Leon Hall is awesome for the bengals. Wish we had taken a CB instead of a risky WR.

The Trent Green experiment should be a roller coaster. The D should be fine but I still worry about our corners on 3rd and long. Letting other teams convert 3rd and ten is a killer. Word is the rookie center has been impressive. Thats good news at least.

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News out of Oaktown is that Culpepper has been EXTREMELY impressive in camp so far. Fantastic. I will now light myself on fire. I am so glad we gave up on him so fast so we could have the pleasure of watching Trent "Old man River" Green. Green could not have possibly looked worse in the Dolphins first preseason game. Not possible.

John Beck better be good or Cam Cameron will be fired in two years.

I'd relax on that news, keep in mind they are going by comparison to what they already had... which wasn't much.

if you saw trent green's play the other night you would understand my fears better. but yeah, i see your point.

Well yea, I saw his lowlights...

I think you might have to cut him a little slack right now, if the first few regular season games go down like that, well your team is hosed.

yeah, it was ugly. People, well not all people. seem to forget that he played behind a great line which gave him time and his mediocre receivers time to get open. Plus, he had a stud playing tight end and running back which help spread the field.


Hmmm, which of these things do the Phins have?

Lets just say, I'll be drunk alot on Sundays. Trent Green was not the answer. I actually would've preferred to stick with Culpepper for another year. At least he woulda been younger and potentially more mobil than Green with a bigger upside.

I hope I have to eat my words.

I was assessing the Phins recent history. Basically, every running back we've ever picked in the draft has floundered. Sammie Smith, Troy Stratford, David Overstreet, John Avery, Travis Minor and now Ronnie Brown.

Defensively, we've drafted ok, but not recently. Eddie Moore? Jason Allen (I know its soon, but watch Laron Landry start for the Skins this year, our guy barely played.) I hope he's successful.

Impact free agent signings...yeah, I can't think of any either.

Successful QB's...yep, I'm still thinking as well. As a franchise, what have we done right in the last 8 years? I can't really think of anything. Crowder was a good pickup. Thomas and Taylor were great draft pics, as were Surtain and Madison, but besides that, its been futile. Now I'm depressed. But hey, I still pull for em, I'm just more drunk now.

It is just hard to think of another year where both Miami football teams are SO ****ING BORING!!!!

Seriously ever since Marino left, the dolphins have been the most boring, vanilla offensive team on the planet. No big plays, no creativity. If Trent Green sucks it will be more of the same! Have to hope against hope the defense can bail them out again and again. Not likely.

Hurricanes in CFB have the same issue post Dorsey. Just goes to show if you dont have a QB you dont have jack.

first drive, so far so good. Isn't the Chiefs defense awful though? Ugghhh

Ronnie Brown looked good against KC. O line was ok not great. Thats the positives. Trent Green looked awful again. just terrible. John Beck shows flashes though.

If he sucks? He's always been an overrated QB, and always will be. I'm a Phins fan for life, but picking up Green was the worst thing they could have done. Hopefully he'll be benched when I go see them play the Jets in December.

Do I sound optimistic about the Trent Green era? Do I? Do I?!!!!!


I am not. If Culpepper has a mediocre season for Oakland I may have to poke out my own eyes to avoid the horror.

GO BILLS!

went to the bucs game last night. good times.

trent green still looks bad. ugh. O-line is still playing ok which is nice.


John Beck looked good again. That is the best news of all.

Oh I was just razzin' ya : )

It's just hard for me to get around how dumb the Miami office has been with their choices over the past 7 or 8 years.

they have not had a good draft in a long time. bad drafts kill franchises. and they have traded away valuable picks for trash. I bet the Eagles front office still laughs about getting a 2nd rounder for Feeley.

A long time ago, Jimmy Johnson picked Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Sam Madison, Pat Surtain all in a two year span all outside the first round. No coincidence that their D has been good for years.


edit: other than Ted Ginn, I am somewhat optimistic about this draft. Beck looks decent, Booker has been great, the fullback from Hawaii looks good and the reviews on 6th round guard Mormino are high. Plus lots of experts like the DT from Hawaii they got in the 4th round for depth. we shall see.

well of course the promising 6th round pick Mormino (OG) is out for the year. Fantastic. Oh and Culpepper looks very good for Oakland. Why was Trent Green such a better option????

I am starting to worry about the curse of Marino. The dolphins essentially luckboxed into him way back in 83. He fell on draft day hard because of unfounded (or founded who cares) cocaine usage rumors. Snagged him at 27.

Now they cant buy a clue in getting a new Qb. ugh.

oh, he was doing blow. Its a fact. I know some people who knew some people. Everyone was doing blow in 83. Just the way it was. Especially the blacks.

I'm excited to see a dolphins Thread. Been a fan since Marino and like a ton of consecutive playoffs that wound up empty. Dang jimmy johnson. Last time i was excited about them was when Ricky Williams was playing cuz he won the rushing title and it was cool for them to have a good rb for once, but not until they had a crappy QB. Come on Miami! Come back to Life!

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Well that game was sure odd. Trent Green.....played quite well. Cant pin this on him. He was accurate, didnt take sacks, and should have had a better day if his receivers did not let him down (3 or 4 drops where the pass was on the numbers. TERRIBLE)

Defense is clearly old old old and wore down against the run in the 4th quarter/OT. Going to be a long year but at least we will complete passes on a regular basis it looks like.

I got a good feeling about Trent Green today!


I got a worse feeling about TO and Witten vs. our secondary.


Cowboys 27----Fish 23.


Prove me wrong!

Well I roughly got the Dolphins score right and I just underestimated the cowboys offense. This game was scary because Trent Green became the turnover machine and the Dolphins defense looks really really OLD.


I got a feeling the dolphins season is going to get worse before it gets better......

The Cowboys have put up a lot of points two weeks in a row, I wouldn't take it to heart just yet that Miami gave up a lot of points to them if they keep it up.

just read a chat wrap on Espn.com where the host agreed with a questioner who said the Dolphins look like a lock for the top pick in the next draft. Then he said we would take Brian Brohm.


this season cant end soon enough......I may have to invest in some brown bags with eye holes.

Didn't we just draft the future QB in the 2nd round? If we draft Brohm, wouldn't that be the equivalent of wasting a 2nd round pick?

This can't be the case. Oh, we won't win 5 games this year, although the offense looked a little better. Defense is tired.

agree with five games being optimistic. I see 3-13 now.

yeah I dont think they take brohm either which is a mistake. he is the real deal beck is not.

who else is good coming out next year?? this is what we have to look forward to now

you can't say Beck isn't the real deal yet. Tom Brady, 6th round pick, js. Its a reach, yes, but that is the optimism you have to have.

What will happen is we'll draft Woodsen out of Kentucky and he'll be another Akili Smith. (Actually, Woodsen has been playing for 4 years, so that is unlikely)

Dorsey from LSU is sick and we are old on the DL. I'm sure some others will seperate from the pack. Too early to tell, on all fronts.

If we are sucking balls later in the year, GIVE BECK SOME TIME.

more than willing to give beck a chance. problem is the D now needs serious fixing. Dorsey from LSU is a good idea.

beck now please. we need to find out what he has since he is a 26 year old rookie.


frankly, I am not optimistic only because EVERY decision the Dolphins make these days turns to dog poop. (see: Culpepper v. Green, brees v. culpepper, drafting Ted Ginn who still has done nothing, etc.)


honestly, I know I am a true fan now because I still watch every minute of every Dolphins game even though I feel like throwing up the whole time.


This is sad and it should be official now.....this is the worst team in football. by far. at least the other bad teams are young.

It's sad because you guys go through spurts each game where they look like a solid football team, they just cant maintain it for a full quarter let alone a game.

I'm with you. I watch every snap, when I'm not drunk that is, and its just the same story for at least the last 5 years. No offense, and now, what's worse, the defense is awful is well.

That Joey Porter pickup has worked out. Isn't a guy that gets $20 million supposed to make an impact. I don't remember Gus Johnson calling his name once. Also, has anyone seen our 1st round pick from last year, Jason Allen? I haven't been reading the local papers, but is he hurt, out, or just making no impact whatsoever?

They have to go to Cleo for now, then to Beck. You HAVE TO start preparing for the future. Trent Green isn't it. They make me sick.

How many penalties did Taylor commit yesterday? Just a horrible game all around.

they are not horrible in all phases. but their offense is mistake prone and the defense cant stop the run. being bad against the run is kind of like chinese water torture. all game long, 5 and 6 yards at a time pounding a stake into my psyche.


edit: oh yeah we drafted a guy at #9!!!!!!>>!>!>! who was supposed to be our special teams ace and yet we get outplayed week in week out on special teams. that stinks too.

Cleo Lemon?


Maybe Meadowlark Lemon or Bob Lemon or Chet Lemon.

GFL.




and yes this is coming from someone that has Rex Grossman on the roster.

i will take cleo. seriously. the dolphins problems stem a whole lot deeper than this.....