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BudBundy
Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.94
UTG+1: $25
MP1: $15.17
Hero: $53.80
MP3: $12
CO: $19.53
Button: $19.85
SB: $13.45
BB: $5.15

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: T icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_spade.gif ($1.5, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.25, MP1 calls, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, UTG calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: 7 icon_suit_spade.gif ($3.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4

I am not familiar with slowplay. Should i call flop and bet less on turn?
rdtedm
It seems like a good board to bet slow. Bet sets hard when you're ahead on draw heavy boards. A smaller bet, or none at all would do. You have position, so a weak check on the turn might induce a bluff from villain on the river. Here, likely, he's close to drawing dead.
Sefaje
I think you need to bet the turn to get full value from your hand, but $4 was too big. Since he's very likely to be drawing to 2 outs or less, I'd bet something friendly, around $1.50 or $2.25
linkwood
i, personally, am an advocate of usually betting your hands aggressively. people don't usually think you'd bet a set this hard and it throws them off. however, in this circumstance i think you need to play it a little slower, given that the board is so uncoordinated. you have to think about what will give you action. in this case, the only hands that make sense to give you action would be tpgk, and even those hands may go away if you give them too much heat. i don't mind raising the flop, because that is expected from someone who has just a 10, but bet a little less on the turn, like 2-3. your goal is to string your opponent along, while building a good sized pot so that you can bet big on the river.
NEtwowilldo
With no draws to worry about on this board (except maybe 4 5) I would probably just call on the flop to keep in some customers.
Then if a lot of people are still in (4 or 5) I would bet big on the turn.

As played, a smaller bet on the turn is OK. It seems like this guy has a scared J 10 or something that he will fold to a big bet but not if it's cheap enough. Try to find the maximum bet that he will call in this situation.

Remember, bottom set is not for suckers in Hold 'Em. wink.gif
BudBundy
QUOTE (NEtwowilldo @ Sunday, March 25th, 2007, 12:57 AM) *
Remember, bottom set is not for suckers in Hold 'Em. wink.gif


Definitely. It is amazing what people are calling with. People are ridiculously tight preflop and ridiculously loose post flop.

They fold every hand preflop for an hour and then they call an all in with top pair no kicker.
DonkSlayer
Your flop raise is fine. The bet/call from the villain means more than likely he hasn't picked up any draws on the turn, so you'd rather help him catch 2 pair or trips on the river for a cheap price then make him fold a 10J. Not pushing someone off a non-drawing hand that you have beat isn't "slowplaying", it's betting for value.
dms26
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Saturday, March 24th, 2007, 10:59 AM) *
I am not familiar with slowplay. Should i call flop and bet less on turn?


I like the flop play, just calling a .25 bet into a 1.50 pot is kind of useless. You need to get some value out of this hand.

On the turn against just one opponent that is likely drawing dead I would bet a little less, probably 2-2.5. I want him to call. Unless you bet the pot almost always, you might scare him away here.
No_Neck
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Saturday, March 24th, 2007, 5:16 PM) *
Definitely. It is amazing what people are calling with. People are ridiculously tight preflop and ridiculously loose post flop.

They fold every hand preflop for an hour and then they call an all in with top pair no kicker.


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