I was reading through Daniel's latest blog and was wondering what "Mixed Holdem" was he mentions the first event that he is playing in this years WSOP is "June 1 12pm: $5000 Mixed Hold'em" is this referring to the betting or is it mixed with another poker game?

Thanks

and Oh ya go DN win a few bracelets all of FCP is behind you

alternates between limit and no limt holdem.

go DN

when though? each blind level? how would the blinds work?

www.worldseriesofpoker.com has the structures on there site. 1 hour levels 30minutes of limit then 30 min of nl.

My gut reaction is to think that format is gimmicky and bad. A NL specialist will have a huge edge over a limit specialist in this tournament, because they will be able to bust weak nl players when they get a big hand, but limit players will be able to earn maybe one or two bets. I would love to hear what DN thinks of the format of this thing.

well, I like they way they do the blinds, at least. They don't make them raise like 25-50 nl, then 50-100 limit, then 100-200 nl or what ever. They recognize that if the blinds are equal, that the no limit is a much bigger game. That sooth's my mind a bit.

well maybe the limit specialists feel they have an advantage over the nl peoplel. if they think that they will have a disadvantage though, they can just not play this event

I'm sure the limit specialists will have an edge in limit over the NL specialists, however, in touriment, where you have a limited amount of chip, it seems like a big advantage to be able to bust someone in NL over winning a bet or two here and there in limit.

Keep in mind... anyone who plays this sort of tournament is probably good at both formats, or should be if they want to cash. You're probably not going to see limit players who struggle at NL in this sort of tourney.

I actually think that limit hold'em players will have an edge. They play bigger limits and can coast in NL if they choose to. As for NL players, many of them truly suck at limit. I mean suck really, really, really, really, really, really, bad.

I'd love to hear names. Besides Sammy Farha.

I know a lot players (not pros, obviously) who are NL players that cannot play limit because they cannot switch gears, they love pushing action and pushing people off of hands.

In limit, it is a lot harder to push people off of hands because players will often be getting the right price to call. Many NL players cannot deal with that and I've seen a lot of these players get frustrated playing limit hold em and get tilted easier.

Considering in my talk with him this morning that he said he's the one that suggested these tournaments (and his comments here), I think he's fond of the idea. =)

By the way, guess who won all the money in chinese after you left? Your's truly, lol. You must be a black cat or something, as soon as you left I went on a royalty rampage! I ended the night +158 points!

so +30k? i'll call it borderline sick.

That is super sick...particularly since y'all were "last handing" there for like an hour, and y'all had left when I swung back by there about an hour and a half after leaving. Thank you for the chance to rail...even if I'm apparently a cooler.

This is exactly what I was thinking because it describes me to a T. I think that most limit players that play this event have a better understanding of NL than NL players that play this event have of LHE.

NL hold'em players generally play limit like little girls. Seriously, missing all kinds of bets, not playing fast enough on the flop, not re-raising pre-flop often enough. Their mindset is one that is always trapping or worrying about being trapped themselves for an extra bet. Limit hold'em is a game where you just can't worry about stuff like that, you just bet, bet, bet, and if they raise you pay them off, lol....

Seriously?


When I started out playing HE, like 5 years ago, it was limit and I never got passed $10-20 but now I strictly play NL and I have no concept of what you say above here. I just havent thought about that game in so long. Weird.

Can't NL player just coast in limit to offset this?

If they want to give up half their equity.

Just going with what Daniel said...I think one of the places where primarily NL players screw up in Limit is not value-betting the river with mediocre (but probably good) hands. That's not a huge weakness in NL because the risk is so great. Not doing it consistently in Limit is a huge leak.

That's why I like limit, is I think it's a more fundamentally aggressive game.

I see why NL players are missing bets and sometimes calls/pots. but if a limit player can coast through NL, then it would follow that a Nl player should be able to coast through limit. Plus a NL player getting maximum value in NL would have an edge over a limit player getting maximum value in limit.

At least until the blinds reach higher levels.

NL players would have a tougher time coasting through the limit section because the blinds would be a larger % of their stack in comparison to the NL section.

This is exactly my perception of the event. We agree on something, balloon, mark this date down.

Am I wrong in understanding that the blinds will be equal in NL and Limit?

No we agreed on a lot of things:

Bush > Clinton

Global Warming is junk science

Hot Pockets > Mac and cheese

Vikings > Romans

Mice are better pets than birds


There were other things but I forget them

If you go to www.worldseriesofpoker.com and look at the structure during each level the blinds are double in the limit part of each level.

You assume that maximum value is bigger in NL compared to Limit just because you can bet more. Remember, you both lose more when you lose and the blinds in NL are about half of the limit blinds...


Wow! As an outsider I don't even know where to begin. As far as I remember when Clinton left your budget surplus was $236 billion yearly. You also had the longest sustained economic growth in American history. Now you've got a deficit that is in the hundreds of billions yearly. For me the economy is the most important part of what politicians do. I guess you don't agree, we seldom do

This is all kind of pointless since regardless of whether a NL or LHE player, the player who is proficient at both will obviously have the biggest edge and after all isn't that the point of this kind of event?

Oooh but as an afterthought, what if they made the limit rounds longer? Say 75 minute lvls with 30 NL and 45 LHE? ...maybe not.

Maximum value in NL is more, by definition. I will look at blind structures though.




I am not going to get sucked into a political debate


I am not

I am not


Clinton didn't do....

I am not

I am not

Level 6 blinds no limit -$100-$200 next level limit blinds- $200/$400 limits = $400-$800
Level 7 Nl -$200-$300 next limit - $300/$600 limits = $600-$1200


I see now that I was wrong, the blind structure makes it more important to be a good limit player and allows you to coast through NL


Man that's twice this year I've been wrong. This is getting to be a habit

pretty much only the hot pockets.. and probably the mice.

Hey it's ok, I'm wrong too sometimes...

Yeah it would be pretty dumb to buy into this if you were a specialist, but people will still do it.

Daniel is talking about higher stakes limit holdem games. In games 30/60 and up, the players that get picked on are the weak tight ones. They are basically bullied out of the pot by aggressive players playing as Daniel described.