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pokerplayer24
Meh vs a bunch of regs, calling felt wrong and so did folding. Figured I had to be up against a bunch of 1 pair hands where even if im called ive got a million outs. Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($1696.25)
Button ($1447)
Hero ($950)
BB ($997)
UTG ($995)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, 6.
UTG raises to $35, MP calls $35, Button calls $35, Hero calls $30, 1 fold.

Flop: ($150) 7, 4, 3 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($150) K (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $125, MP calls $125, Button calls $125, Hero raises to $915,
cwik
I think the EV in this play is directly correlated to the % of time the higher flush draw calls you.
linkwood
QUOTE (pokerplayer24 @ Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 5:06 PM) *
Meh vs a bunch of regs, calling felt wrong and so did folding. Figured I had to be up against a bunch of 1 pair hands where even if im called ive got a million outs. Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($1696.25)
Button ($1447)
Hero ($950)
BB ($997)
UTG ($995)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, 6.
UTG raises to $35, MP calls $35, Button calls $35, Hero calls $30, 1 fold.

Flop: ($150) 7, 4, 3 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($150) K (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $125, MP calls $125, Button calls $125, Hero raises to $915,


I really don't see how you can be sure you're against a bunch of one pair hands. still i think that a straight, set, or two pair is less likely, unless the original raiser has that because you would have likely heard from them on the flop or turn. I think you're definitely up against at least one or two one pair hands and some draws. your overbet looks a bit suspicious and could easily get called by someone with tpgk, which could make someone ovecall with a draw, which would be really bad for you. the good news though is that, it is impossible for you to be drawing dead against two of the opponents and likely you have 8 or 9 outs.

i guess i'm on the fence about this one and it would really come down to your read. doing a play like this into three opponents usually isn't going to get everyone to fold, but if you have a good enough feel for your opponents that you know you can get at least two to fold and get heads up with someone with just one pair then it is probably a good play. but IMO if two or more might call its a bad move.
pokerplayer24
QUOTE (cwik @ Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 4:38 PM) *
I think the EV in this play is directly correlated to the % of time the higher flush draw calls you.


If i get called by a flush draw im ahead.
cwik
QUOTE (pokerplayer24 @ Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 6:02 PM) *
If i get called by a flush draw im ahead.


opps, miss read the hand. This looks like a play I would make.
Zach6668
You're a beast, bro.
NEtwowilldo
I'm going to go ahead and just say what I think they all have, probably not right, but with no live reads its tough to tell.

UTG - AK

MP - K Q or K J

Button - better flush draw

I think that by moving in here, you might get called by the UTG player ( though he might fold if he thinks you slowplayed a monster on the flop), and I think the other two must definitely fold.

I think calling is the more prudent option, though you may be drawing dead to the flush if you don't drive out the better one.

However when you go all in, your only getting called by a hand that is a favorite over you.
Sort of damned if you do damned if you dont.


Tough spot but I would have erred on the cautious side against three opponents OOP.
I think your play is a little too aggro/gambly. (I know thats not a word but you know what I mean)

You could have avoided this decision by folding the 6 high OOP preflop.
Sefaje
QUOTE (NEtwowilldo @ Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 11:30 PM) *
I'm going to go ahead and just say what I think they all have, probably not right, but with no live reads its tough to tell.

UTG - AK

MP - K Q or K J

Button - better flush draw

I think that by moving in here, you might get called by the UTG player ( though he might fold if he thinks you slowplayed a monster on the flop), and I think the other two must definitely fold.

I think calling is the more prudent option, though you may be drawing dead to the flush if you don't drive out the better one.

However when you go all in, your only getting called by a hand that is a favorite over you.
Sort of damned if you do damned if you dont.
[bTough spot but I would have erred on the cautious side against three opponents OOP.[/b]
I think your play is a little too aggro/gambly. (I know thats not a word but you know what I mean)

You could have avoided this decision by folding the 6 high OOP preflop.


His position doesn't matter -- he's ending the hand.

METAGAME PLAY, YEAH. an excuse to make gambly/bad plays.

edit: i actually think this play is +EV. it's just wild looking. If no one has a straight/set, you're drawing live enough. Winning this pot uncontested is +$525, and I think that more than makes up for the times you lose $915. Sometimes you even get to win 525+915, and even very rarely 525+915+915.
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