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dms26
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UTG+1 ($22.22)
UTG+2 ($7.08)
MP1 ($10.71)
MP2 ($24.65)
MP3 ($8.78)
CO ($16.24)
Button ($12.45)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($22.87)
Hero ($23.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A icon_suit_club.gif , A icon_suit_spade.gif .
Hero raises to $0.85, 5 folds, CO calls $0.85, Button calls $0.85, 2 folds.

Flop: ($2.90) T icon_suit_spade.gif , 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif , K icon_suit_heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2, Button folds.

Turn: ($6.90) 7 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks


villain had been playing very aggressive, doubled up when he bet the pot and called an all-in with TT on a K high flop and hit a T on turn. I figure this is a good turn card that leaves him drawing slim a lot. What do u think about the turn check with the intention of check raising.
Smank
Against most villians at these stakes a turn check here is very -EV as they tend to call too much and bet too little. If villian is a maniac though and you're positive he'll bet into you if you show any weakness then nh. The main problem is that if the villian DOES have a 7 (which seems possible by the description you gave of him) he's often going to get more of our money as we aren't getting any information knowing he's going to bet the turn.
Sefaje
This play relies 100% on him betting the turn. There's a few hands where he's drawing to 8 outs (QJ,89,J9). Could he have a draw here? We're not wanting to give a free card. If you're verrry sure he's not drawing and will bet, then a c/r is fine. But if there's much of a chance he's either drawing or won't bet JT/KQ/junk like that, then a check here is bad.

This play is really read dependent. You've been at the table with him, we haven't. All we can do is tell you what to do based on that read.
pokerfan1080
Your read was that he had been playing very aggressive, but he is playing just the opposite here by just calling.

He didn't re-raise you anywhere here, but if you believe he will switch gears on the turn to his aggressive style then go ahead and let him, fire back with the check-raise as planned if he does.

I still prefer to keep the pressure on him though and bet the turn.

There are no guarantees at these limits though, people will play junk hands like K7 all day simply becasue they have that big K. Not alot of consideration to kickers at these limits in my experience.
dms26
QUOTE (pokerfan1080 @ Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 7:26 AM) *
Your read was that he had been playing very aggressive, but he is playing just the opposite here by just calling.

He didn't re-raise you anywhere here, but if you believe he will switch gears on the turn to his aggressive style then go ahead and let him, fire back with the check-raise as planned if he does.

I still prefer to keep the pressure on him though and bet the turn.

There are no guarantees at these limits though, people will play junk hands like K7 all day simply becasue they have that big K. Not alot of consideration to kickers at these limits in my experience.



yeah I mainly wanted to get a feel if other players check here and take the risk of him checking through on a draw. If he has a 7 we're getting it all in anyway because I'm not folding to him.

This was the first pot I could remember from him that he had position and thought he would bet the turn if I showed weakness. I guess it's probably read dependant and I had seen him play a lot hands fast in the last 15 minutes.
dms26
QUOTE (Smank @ Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 1:51 AM) *
Against most villians at these stakes a turn check here is very -EV as they tend to call too much and bet too little. If villian is a maniac though and you're positive he'll bet into you if you show any weakness then nh. The main problem is that if the villian DOES have a 7 (which seems possible by the description you gave of him) he's often going to get more of our money as we aren't getting any information knowing he's going to bet the turn.


If he has a 7 he's getting all my money whether I check or bet because there is no way I can fold to this guy after watching him play the last few orbits. He was playing tourney poker, double up or go home.


QUOTE (Sefaje @ Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 7:00 AM) *
This play relies 100% on him betting the turn. There's a few hands where he's drawing to 8 outs (QJ,89,J9). Could he have a draw here? We're not wanting to give a free card. If you're verrry sure he's not drawing and will bet, then a c/r is fine. But if there's much of a chance he's either drawing or won't bet JT/KQ/junk like that, then a check here is bad.


My problem was he hadn't gone to showdown much, he was getting folds other than the hand where he had TT and sucked out. So I suppose he could have really anything but I thought even if he had a draw I might get him to fire if I check.
Acid_Knight
I like the play. If you think that he's aggressive enough to realize the "weakness" in your turn check and attack it, then you've made the right move. If he was beating you, you're going broke becuase on that board, you're only beaten by 7x or an unlikely set of Ks or Ts.
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