OK, pre-flop action:

I'm on the button. EP limps, player to my right limps, I figure I might be able to pick it up, so raise to $12, SB folds, BB calls, EP folds, limper to my right calls.

Forget my pre-flop play - I do realise that's donkish. I think I was getting impatient, as I hadn't played a hand in over 30 mins (so I assume I have a tight image).

Now - the flop comes TTQ rainbow. BB checks, EP checks, guy to my right makes it $10.

So there's a total of ~$50 in the pot. Obviously, folding would be ridiculous. I think most of the players here are putting me on overcards or a reasonably big PP, because of my aforementioned image. The only 10 any of them could put me on would be AT I think & I doubt they'd even think that'd be a hand I'd rasie with pre-flop.

Is this a call or raise? If it's a raise, how much to? With the rasie, what should we be trying to accomplish? Should we be aiming to get everyone out of the pot, or trying to build for value?

A raise to $30-$40 seems about right. You're probably way ahead here. I could see the villian holding something like JTs.

What are stacks?

On information given, I throw in a raise here, something like 25-35 is fine. Dont need to give anyone a cheap draw here.

It's a $90 Flat game, so you can only put $90 on the table, but obviously play with whatever you've got.

From memory it was something like this : BB ~$100, EP ~120, LP ~$75, me ~150.

Always include stack sizes and limits. We don't know if you're playing .10/.20 or 1/2 NL.

I would not make a comment like "the only T any of them could have is AT." If I were against a tight player, I would fold AT immediately where I'd call with hands like QT, JT, T9 and T8 becuase they have more straight capabilities and are less likely to get me into trouble.

I'm not sure what I'd do here. If it looked like the BB isn't interested, then I am just going to flat call. Yeah, I have a hand but it's not often better than whatever the EP player is betting with and I'd like to try and take it to showdown as cheaply as possible. Also, by flat calling, it might scare them into thinking you have QQ and they'll slow down even if they do have JT.

You want JT to slow down?

I don't understand the rest of your post. You really don't think we're ahead of what the bettor has in this case?

There are 2 Ts that beat us, and he doesn't have QQ, like ever.

However, I probably smooth call in this case to build a bit of a pot, hopefully, especially since I hold a blocker to most straight draws.

My range for the bettor - PP, Qx, Tx, JK, J9, although with less weight on the draws.

So the guy has $12 invested preflop and $10 on the flop, I'd probably make it $30. I'd think he has a Q here, get him to commit to calling you on the turn when a blank hits. If he doesn't have a Q or T then he's not's going to put much more in anyway unless he has KJ or something similar.

Yeah, if the villain has JT, why would I not want them to slow down?
I think that it's like 50/50 whether or not we're ahead of the bettor here. I know that he never has QQ, but what I said was that if we just smooth call, he might think that we have QQ and he won't go nuts with his hand even if he does have us beaten.
I don't really wanna play a huge pot with this holding. Yes, we have a decent hand and might be ahead. Yes, the K is a good card becuase it's a straight blocker. The fact is that we have a decent holding which, if we're behind, we are in very deep trouble. I'd like to keep the pot small and try and get to showdown with it.

Ya, ok. A bit of wa/wb sounds good to me.

I prolly put villain on KQ sooted and min-raise.
You can take it from there.

I'm not even gonna call out the WA/WB becuase when we're behind, we're really far behind, but when we're ahead, he can easily be drawing live to beat us with a straight draw.

Oh yeah, duh... early morning.

I still have a hard time believing we're behind here 50/50 when only 2 hands beat us (not counting QQ, obv).

It's just that his bet is really suspicious. That's what makes me think we're behind more often here.

Color me confused. Why are we wanting JT to slow down here?

Anyhow, I see this kind of play all the time and it's almost always a "see where I am" bet. I never understand it since I raise this 100 percent of the time with nothing and almost always get a fold, but that's what it looks like to me. I think if we bump it up here, we're getting a fold, so I might play this one a little slower than normal. I'd bet your opponent has something like 77 here.

Last time I looked, when the flop comes down QTT, our KQ is decidedly behind JT, if that is what an opponent holds. If my opponent has that hand, I'd really like it if he wans't betting heavily because it will be difficult for me to reach the showdown.

We have KT, try to keep up

I thought we were holding KT.

WOW, yeah, I am way off this morning. Ignore every single one of my comments here.

haha, I was wondering WTF you talking about here.

LOL. Usually when you suggest a concept that I don't immediately understand, I eventually see the logic with it and why it makes sense. I was really confused this time, though.

lol, damn you. I trust you for NL play so much you almost had me agreeing with you...lol.

I think that's hilarious. I can't even read the OP correctly, therefore I "misread" our own hand and am still able to convince people of a correct strategy based on cards we don't hold.

Like I said, I think the villain has a sooted KQ. Min-raise and wait for him to shovel more money at you. Then do some barking at the river.

ya go with a raise to 35 then he will be slower the rest of the way with his Q, or low T, but u gotta do that to fight agaist the draws and make sure they dont have odds.

Ooops - sorry for not including the limits we're playing - it's $2-$3 NL. I'm a posting donk.

I'll leave posting results for a couple of hours to see if there's anymore feedback since we've established that I have KT, not KQ .

Be warned, though - the results will be boring.

QT,AT,QQ. that's all that beats us, and QQ is sooo unlikely. I raise to about 30-40.

I bumped it to $25, wanting a call. Everyone folded.

Like the donk I am, I showed my cards (which was pretty silly considering my very donkish PF play - goodbye tight image). There was a suggestion at the table that I could/should have just called & strung the bettor & perhaps one or two others along.

So I wanted to establish that raising here is the right play.

Cheers guys.