So I am getting into stud. I play pretty much live only. I'm trying to remember what other's upcards were. I am counting ones relative to me on that hand. So If I start with 3 clubs, I count clubs that are out, if I start with a TJK I count how many queens are out. Since I'm not that great at it, I usually take the 1 seat because
1. I get my 3 card hand first I know what to look for quicker.
2. Other players can fold their hands (garbage hands get folded MUCH quicker) until I make my action, giving me a longer time to look at what's out there.
Now, if I'm there long enough, 1 seat eventually opens up, but until then, I have to settle for whatever is open. The later my position is at the table, the quicker the action seems to approach me. And it's only going to get quicker if I approach hi/lo because more to consider.
Is this something that I will get over with experience? Anyone have some pointers?
And in general, anyone have a good link to some tips of counting?
Any help would be appreciated.
Full Version: Up Card Memory For A Newb
Don't look at your cards until you've seen every upcard. Not even your upcard.
I mastered remembering up cards online, just by watching the upcards and saying them out loud to myself. It's gotten to the point where I don't say them out loud anymore but know them. Know how Ivey darts his eyes across the table? That's where it comes from, I caught myself subconsciously doing that playing Razz in July, and it finally clicked why he does it.
Another tip, which this is tough as hell to do (or at least for me), is put all but one card of a 52-card deck onto the table (other remains in the box, or in an envelope, just make sure you don't see what it is), and look at every card, and once you've done that, say what the missing card is and look. Keep doing so until you've pretty much got it down to an art. Yeah, it's a parlor trick, but it helps you retain memory of what cards you've seen, and that will help down the line in pretty much any game (on the off chance someone accidentally exposes a card or whatnot).
I mastered remembering up cards online, just by watching the upcards and saying them out loud to myself. It's gotten to the point where I don't say them out loud anymore but know them. Know how Ivey darts his eyes across the table? That's where it comes from, I caught myself subconsciously doing that playing Razz in July, and it finally clicked why he does it.
Another tip, which this is tough as hell to do (or at least for me), is put all but one card of a 52-card deck onto the table (other remains in the box, or in an envelope, just make sure you don't see what it is), and look at every card, and once you've done that, say what the missing card is and look. Keep doing so until you've pretty much got it down to an art. Yeah, it's a parlor trick, but it helps you retain memory of what cards you've seen, and that will help down the line in pretty much any game (on the off chance someone accidentally exposes a card or whatnot).
QUOTE (HangukMiguk @ Wednesday, March 21st, 2007, 6:57 PM) 
Another tip, which this is tough as hell to do (or at least for me), is put all but one card of a 52-card deck onto the table (other remains in the box, or in an envelope, just make sure you don't see what it is), and look at every card, and once you've done that, say what the missing card is and look. Keep doing so until you've pretty much got it down to an art. Yeah, it's a parlor trick, but it helps you retain memory of what cards you've seen, and that will help down the line in pretty much any game (on the off chance someone accidentally exposes a card or whatnot).
Very hard with a full deck.
I can do it with half a deck, like only the black cards.
I read that Stu Ungar did it once with two decks. (Holy Sh*t)
Sorry this wasn't too helpful but yeah, just practice online and stuff, even if its on play money.
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