i can't remember the last time i brought in for a full bet, even if i have a big hand. i'd rather wait for a raise and then reraise. if it's limped around, i look for an early spot to get maximum effect out of a raise.
anyone have an argument for betting straight away?
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I am new but i use it to push over door cards off when i have a smaller pair in the hole.
For example :
I have 9T9
Folded to me
Seat 2 : J
Seat 3 : Q
I don't know if it works tho. Just discovering.
For example :
I have 9T9
Folded to me
Seat 2 : J
Seat 3 : Q
I don't know if it works tho. Just discovering.
thats fine, my question is for when you have the bring with the low card but actually have a good hand. for example, [AA]2
In Omaha , from early position , i don't raise with aces. I don't want to advertise my hand.
I think it is the same in Stud. If we raise , the only logical explanation is either we are tilting like a monkey or we have a big pair in the hole. I am for bringing in . We can always limp re-raise if someone raises and we can get more money in the pot.
I think it is the same in Stud. If we raise , the only logical explanation is either we are tilting like a monkey or we have a big pair in the hole. I am for bringing in . We can always limp re-raise if someone raises and we can get more money in the pot.
NEVER, when you have big hands in the bring-in, you want play, and completing on the bring-in telegraphs that you have a big hand. at the very least, you'll usually see the highest remaining door (lowest in razz) complete in an effort to steal in late position, to which you can re-pop. by completing as the bring-in, you eliminate that possibility.
The full bet can play an important part in short-handed, high-ante games(say 4 or less players with ante > 1/10 BB). These games exist online, not just in B&M or in private!!
In these games, you are thinking about maximising fold equity, rather than passively drawing etc. So you should occasionally full-bet.
What hands you full-bet with depends on the table, but remember that players don't like to be folding too many hands in high-ante games, so attacking early is an important part of mixing it up. Some will fold too often, so that gives extra reason to occasionally full-bet with even weaker hands if that's the way the table plays.
It's not to be overdone though - probably between 10%-20% of the time.
In normal games, pretty much 'never', unless the table is terribly loose-passive and will call anyway - again these games exist online.
In these games, you are thinking about maximising fold equity, rather than passively drawing etc. So you should occasionally full-bet.
What hands you full-bet with depends on the table, but remember that players don't like to be folding too many hands in high-ante games, so attacking early is an important part of mixing it up. Some will fold too often, so that gives extra reason to occasionally full-bet with even weaker hands if that's the way the table plays.
It's not to be overdone though - probably between 10%-20% of the time.
In normal games, pretty much 'never', unless the table is terribly loose-passive and will call anyway - again these games exist online.
I don't play much stud hi, but the only time I can see this making sense is in a tourney situation when you're fairly shortstacked (1 or 2 bb) and you start out with a pretty good but not great hand, like maybe pocket Ts or jacks, and you know you're going to go with it and would rather play against fewer opponents, but with as few chips as you have even if you just pick up the other antes its a decent bump to your stack. I do this in stud hl a lot more than I think you would in stud hi, on a shortstack with something like 345 where even if you brick 4th you arent getting away from the hand.
I think i completely misunderstood this thread.
Is full bet = completing in 3rd?
Is full bet = completing in 3rd?
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Saturday, March 17th, 2007, 3:37 AM) 
I think i completely misunderstood this thread.
Is full bet = completing in 3rd?
Is full bet = completing in 3rd?
We're talking about the player who must make the forced bet with the lowest card. Typically, he can 'Bring-in' - which is some amount between ante and SB, or make the full small bet.
From what I remember, you don't get that option on Crypto. You automatically bring-in on that network - that is unusual.
QUOTE (ahosang @ Saturday, March 17th, 2007, 5:15 PM)
We're talking about the player who must make the forced bet with the lowest card. Typically, he can 'Bring-in' - which is some amount between ante and SB, or make the full small bet.
From what I remember, you don't get that option on Crypto. You automatically bring-in on that network - that is unusual.
From what I remember, you don't get that option on Crypto. You automatically bring-in on that network - that is unusual.
Got it now.
When you have the lowest card you can either bring in for 0.50 or bet 1$ on 1*2 Crypto.
Tonight i was playing 2*4 on Fulltilt and i luckily sat down with Perry Friedman. He is a very friendly guy and and i was asking him questions about stud and then this subject came up.
He says Full Bet is never the right play. However re-raising after bringing in is a better play.
He also gave a link about it : http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/pro-tips-arch...dman&tip=26
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I am playing on Fulltilt now mostly so no more hands posted for a while
He says Full Bet is never the right play. However re-raising after bringing in is a better play.
He also gave a link about it : http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/pro-tips-arch...dman&tip=26
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I am playing on Fulltilt now mostly so no more hands posted for a while
First things first, Perry is a complainer, even at 2 4 low limit stud. If he got bluffed out of a pot, he would say how it was a stupid bluff, he would cry about getting outed and the hands people play. Real tool.
Back to the real point.
I think the only time to complete out of the bring in would be in a tournament. Viejas (So Cal. casino) use to run a small buy in hi lo stud tournament on Wednesdays, and when the antes got pretty high and you had a large stack, it was very often profitable to bring it in with a speculative hand, such as (45)3 and everyone would fold, and the antes were about 6 times the complete bet. In live stud games, stealing the antes and bring ins is ok, but building a large pot is a better hand, especially if you can get away from a decent hand against a scary board.
Back to the real point.
I think the only time to complete out of the bring in would be in a tournament. Viejas (So Cal. casino) use to run a small buy in hi lo stud tournament on Wednesdays, and when the antes got pretty high and you had a large stack, it was very often profitable to bring it in with a speculative hand, such as (45)3 and everyone would fold, and the antes were about 6 times the complete bet. In live stud games, stealing the antes and bring ins is ok, but building a large pot is a better hand, especially if you can get away from a decent hand against a scary board.
QUOTE (ahosang @ Friday, March 16th, 2007, 5:00 PM)
The full bet can play an important part in short-handed, high-ante games(say 4 or less players with ante > 1/10 BB). These games exist online, not just in B&M or in private!!
In these games, you are thinking about maximising fold equity, rather than passively drawing etc. So you should occasionally full-bet.
What hands you full-bet with depends on the table, but remember that players don't like to be folding too many hands in high-ante games, so attacking early is an important part of mixing it up. Some will fold too often, so that gives extra reason to occasionally full-bet with even weaker hands if that's the way the table plays.
It's not to be overdone though - probably between 10%-20% of the time.
In normal games, pretty much 'never', unless the table is terribly loose-passive and will call anyway - again these games exist online.
In these games, you are thinking about maximising fold equity, rather than passively drawing etc. So you should occasionally full-bet.
What hands you full-bet with depends on the table, but remember that players don't like to be folding too many hands in high-ante games, so attacking early is an important part of mixing it up. Some will fold too often, so that gives extra reason to occasionally full-bet with even weaker hands if that's the way the table plays.
It's not to be overdone though - probably between 10%-20% of the time.
In normal games, pretty much 'never', unless the table is terribly loose-passive and will call anyway - again these games exist online.
the bolded part is the answer.
you will very rarely run into spots where this is the case, so limp/reraising is the better play in about 99% of spots. if you get shorthanded, though, bringing in for the full with a vulnerable but ahead hand is sometimes a good idea.
Mix it up, come in for full when you have 3 to a straight, or rolled up 2s. Call with pocket Aces, or 3 to a flush.Mix it up.
Unless one of your paired cards is someone else's door card, then you need to get the folds and take your small pot.
Unless one of your paired cards is someone else's door card, then you need to get the folds and take your small pot.
so many things people have over looked ~
comes down to the game and your style and what the other players at the table think of your play.
comes down to the game and your style and what the other players at the table think of your play.
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