edit - cleaned it up best i could.
finally getting my *** in gear and trying to learn shorthanded. put in a couple thousand hands at 1/2, but am trying to mix in some 3/6 when i'm feeling good. the bonus/rb at absolute is fantastic at 3/6 SHLHE on AP, and i'd like to become very comfortable playing there, and eventually 5/10 and 10/20.
put in my first 200 hands, and am kind of worried. ended up +8bb, but lucked into several large pots with top set. am posting every moderately questionable/interesting hand, and would really appreciate any and all feedback. i have basically a good amount of full ring experience, but essentially none shorthanded, so most questions are pretty basic.
I've included reads where I had them, but mainly I had only what I'd seen at the table.
******* Hand 1 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [8s] [2d]
4 folds, HERO folds, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1 returned to BB.
Results:
Final pot: 0.33BB
general concept - how often am i folding in an unopened SB in a 2/3 structure? what about J6o? assuming bb is normal 28/15 or whatever.
******* Hand 2 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qd] [Jh]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, HERO calls.
Flop: [Ac] [3c] [7s] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, HERO checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Button raises, SB folds, HERO folds,
my first hand - standard i assume.
******* Hand 3 ********
Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [Ah] [Jd]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, HERO raises to $6, CO calls, SB calls.
Flop: [8d] [5c] [7h] ($18, 3 players)
SB checks, HERO checks, CO bets $3, SB folds, HERO calls.
Turn: [6h] ($24, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO checks.
River: [Kh] ($24, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets $6, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: $24
don't like c-betting this board multi-way - am probably folding most turns. river fold ok?
******* Hand 4 ********
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Limit: $3/$6
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is UTG with [5c] [5h]
HERO folds,
i raised 66 and folded 55. sound ok?
******* Hand 5 ********
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Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is UTG with [Kc] [Qh]
HERO raises to $6, 3 folds, BB calls.
Flop: [2s] [7d] [4s] ($14, 2 players)
BB checks, HERO bets $3, BB raises to $6, HERO calls.
Turn: [Ah] ($26, 2 players)
BB bets $6, HERO raises to $12, BB raises to $18, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to BB.
Results:
Final pot: $50
good spot to bluff? am i betting the river if he calls? board is light enough that i'm raising there if i do have AT+, but seems like i should just toss it.
******* Hand 6 ********
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Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG+1 with [8s] [9s]
UTG folds, HERO raises to $6, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: [Ks] [7h] [3d] ($24, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, HERO checks, CO bets $3, SB calls, BB folds, HERO folds.
no c-bet on a draw-light board 3-way with no showdown value?
******* Hand 7 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [Ks] [7h]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, HERO calls, BB checks.
Flop: [Tc] [9s] [7d] (4SB, 4 players)
HERO checks, BB checks, UTG bets, CO calls, HERO folds,
lead out? call along safe cards? UTG is regular/aggressive.
******* Hand 8 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG+1 with [9s] [Js]
UTG folds, HERO raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [3c] [7d] [Ad] (7.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO raises, CO calls.
Turn: [2h] (5.83BB, 2 players)
HERO bets, CO calls.
River: [Kc] (7.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: 7.83BB
early open, but mainly concerned about post-flop. does this ever work vs 88-KK, or am i just spewing? any other suggested lines (c/c flop, donk turn?)
******* Hand 9 ********
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Blinds: $2/$3
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is CO with [Ah] [Kc]
UTG raises to $6, HERO raises to $9, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop: [3c] [5s] [Jh] ($36, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $3, HERO calls, SB folds, BB calls.
Turn: [6c] ($45, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $6, HERO folds,
yuck. raise flop seems spewish. standard?
******* Hand 10 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is CO with [Ac] [Js]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, HERO raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop: [4h] [Kd] [Qs] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button checks.
Turn: [3d] (5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button checks.
River: [5c] (5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, HERO folds.
Results:
Final pot: 7BB
i usually throw a bet in on the flop, but button was very loose. anyone betting the turn here?
******* Hand 11 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qc] [Kh]
4 folds, SB raises, HERO 3-bets, SB calls.
Flop: [5d] [8h] [Jd] (6SB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB raises, HERO calls.
Turn: [8s] (5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to SB.
Results:
Final pot: 5BB
no read - is a 3-betting putting people off any hands, or just a spew in a blind battle? is this 9T or something often enough that i can bet turn and check behind river?
******* Hand 12 ********
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Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Ad] [2d]
UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Button calls, SB raises to $9, HERO folds,
2 bets to me, looks like 4-way. nope?
******* Hand 13 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is CO with [As] [Ah]
2 folds, HERO raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: [4h] [7h] [Td] (7SB, 3 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, Button folds, SB raises, HERO 3-bets, SB calls.
Turn: [9s] (6.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB calls.
River: [5d] (8.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB calls.
Results:
Final pot: 10.5BB
i assume very standard.
******* Hand 14 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [6s] [7s]
3 folds, Button raises, HERO 3-bets, BB folds, Button calls.
Flop: [Jc] [Kd] [3d] (7SB, 2 players)
HERO bets, Button calls.
Turn: [8c] (4.5BB, 2 players)
HERO bets, Button calls.
River: [Ks] (6.5BB, 2 players)
HERO bets,
Results:
Final pot: 8.5BB
gross. a certain hero of mine taught me that 3-betting connectors from the SB in a 2/3 structure against steals is a good way to loosen things up. he really paused on the flop, and i figured he had some sort of straight draw. i'm check/folding a lot of rivers, but the K was too juicy not too.
******* Hand 15 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qs] [2s]
3 folds, Button raises, SB calls, HERO calls.
Flop: [2d] [Kd] [9c] (6SB, 3 players)
SB bets, HERO folds,
guy donks into the stealer - seems like a good spot for an iso raise. seems like i can easily fold, call or raise there, with the option of raising the turn if i just call the flop.
******* Hand 16 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [4s] [3c]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, HERO folds,
seems like just a bit too weak to get involved.
******* Hand 17 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is Button with [As] [Kc]
3 folds, HERO raises, BB calls.
Flop: [7h] [4h] [Ts] (3.33SB, 3 players)
HERO bets, BB raises, HERO calls.
Turn: [9s] (3.67BB, 3 players)
HERO checks, BB bets, HERO folds.
was probably calling down, but 9 paired too many drawing hands. give me a better line of a draw-heavy flop. i guess i should just 3-bet the flop.
******* Hand 18 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [7h] [7c]
UTG raises, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [9c] [Kc] [Kh] (4.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, UTG bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1SB returned to UTG.
Results:
Final pot: 2.33BB
blar. gross for metagame, but didn't know what else to do here.
******* Hand 19 ********
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Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [Qc] [Kd]
3 folds, SB calls, HERO raises to $6, SB calls.
Flop: [Ah] [6s] [Tc] ($12, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets $3, SB raises to $6, HERO raises to $9, SB calls.
Turn: [7d] ($30, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets $6, SB calls.
River: [2c] ($42, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO checks.
Results:
Final pot: $42
was pretty certain he didn't have an ace, figured i could push him off a ten. bad idea in a blind battle?
******* Hand 20 ********
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [Js] [9s]
3 folds, Button calls, HERO calls, BB checks.
Flop: [Jd] [6h] [Ah] (3SB, 3 players)
HERO checks, BB checks, Button checks.
Turn: [Tc] (1.5BB, 3 players)
HERO bets, BB folds, Button calls.
River: [Qh] (3.5BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, Button bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Button.
Results:
Final pot: 3.5BB
safe river fold?
******* Hand 21 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG with [Qh] [Ad]
HERO raises, UTG+1 folds, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [5d] [7d] [3h] (7.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
Turn: [4c] (4.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
River: [9s] (6.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
Results:
Final pot: 8.83BB
just proof that i suck. he was way too tight to call the turn.
******* Hand 22 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is Button with [Jc] [Jh]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, HERO raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, CO calls.
Flop: [3s] [8c] [2h] (7.67SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO calls.
Turn: [2d] (5.33BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO calls.
River: [Tc] (8.33BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO raises, HERO calls, UTG calls.
Results:
Final pot: 14.33BB
last hand of the session. seems vastly standard, but it sucks.
thanks for any/all help.
Full Version: My First 3/6 Session
could you just pick out hands u really need help with and separate them?
22 hands in one post? @_@ bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no way i can post on all of em :/
22 hands in one post? @_@ bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no way i can post on all of em :/
QUOTE (mikeysong @ Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 4:17 PM) 
could you just pick out hands u really need help with and separate them?
22 hands in one post? @_@ bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no way i can post on all of em :/
22 hands in one post? @_@ bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no way i can post on all of em :/
cleaned it up best i could - most of them are probably standard, and i commented what my questions were. i'd even be happy with something like "#1-5,7,11-14 and 19 are very standard," etc.
i certainly don't expect comments on all of them, but would appreciate any advice.
Take my advice with a grain of salt, as I either suck at poker, or I run colder than ice. I don't know which one anymore.
1 - Fold is fine there. as we have an awful hand. You really should be playing like 75% of your hands when it folds to you there, I think. Since we have so much to defend.
2 - PF fold is fine if he's tight.
3 - I c-bet 3 handed most of the time. If you are calling a bet, why not bet yourself? As played, fold is fine on river.
4 - Depends on table dynamics and image.
5 - I try that sometimes. Helps to have a read first though.
6 - Fold preflop, meh. You probably don't have to mix this into your game that much, especially from EP. If anything, play more hands from CO and Button. As played, c/f flop.
7 - Fine, I play it the same. Some may lead, but I don't into 4 players where you'll get called by draws, etc, and we'll have no idea where we stand.
8 - Again, save this raise for CO or Button. As played, c-bet the flop, fold to a raise. This is a monster spew, imo.
9 - Meh, I hate these spots. I would raise the flop to clean up some outs. I would bet turn and check river through. Read dependent, of course. Fold to any more aggression. Take a note of what he donks with.
10 - I might bet with the gutshot, but most of the time when I miss the flop 5 handed, I'm checking.
11 - Standard. I hate playing aggressive players. This is why I hate SH.
12 - Standard.
13 - Standard.
14 - Meh, you can 3-bet pf there, I usually let it go. River bet is a spew, IMO. Once he calls the turn, he's going to showdown.
15 - I don't hate a preflop fold, flop fold is standard though.
16 - Yeah, pf fold is goot.
17 - I like it.
18 - Meh, sometimes I float this flop. We get 3-bet when we raise even if we're ahead, a lot. I wouldn't hate getting to showdown, unless an ace, queen, 9 come. We beat a lot on this flop.
19 - They won't fold pairs in blind battles. Seems like a spew unless you're taking the free card on the turn to hit one of 10 outs (assuming he doesn't have the ace). I don't mind folding to a river bet if we check the turn through and miss since we have little showdown value.
20 - I lead the flop. As played, perfect.
21 - I was gonna say cap preflop if he's loose-aggro pf, but if he's tight, that's fine. I'd call flop and fold turn UI.
22 - Standard. Hope he has T8o.
1 - Fold is fine there. as we have an awful hand. You really should be playing like 75% of your hands when it folds to you there, I think. Since we have so much to defend.
2 - PF fold is fine if he's tight.
3 - I c-bet 3 handed most of the time. If you are calling a bet, why not bet yourself? As played, fold is fine on river.
4 - Depends on table dynamics and image.
5 - I try that sometimes. Helps to have a read first though.
6 - Fold preflop, meh. You probably don't have to mix this into your game that much, especially from EP. If anything, play more hands from CO and Button. As played, c/f flop.
7 - Fine, I play it the same. Some may lead, but I don't into 4 players where you'll get called by draws, etc, and we'll have no idea where we stand.
8 - Again, save this raise for CO or Button. As played, c-bet the flop, fold to a raise. This is a monster spew, imo.
9 - Meh, I hate these spots. I would raise the flop to clean up some outs. I would bet turn and check river through. Read dependent, of course. Fold to any more aggression. Take a note of what he donks with.
10 - I might bet with the gutshot, but most of the time when I miss the flop 5 handed, I'm checking.
11 - Standard. I hate playing aggressive players. This is why I hate SH.
12 - Standard.
13 - Standard.
14 - Meh, you can 3-bet pf there, I usually let it go. River bet is a spew, IMO. Once he calls the turn, he's going to showdown.
15 - I don't hate a preflop fold, flop fold is standard though.
16 - Yeah, pf fold is goot.
17 - I like it.
18 - Meh, sometimes I float this flop. We get 3-bet when we raise even if we're ahead, a lot. I wouldn't hate getting to showdown, unless an ace, queen, 9 come. We beat a lot on this flop.
19 - They won't fold pairs in blind battles. Seems like a spew unless you're taking the free card on the turn to hit one of 10 outs (assuming he doesn't have the ace). I don't mind folding to a river bet if we check the turn through and miss since we have little showdown value.
20 - I lead the flop. As played, perfect.
21 - I was gonna say cap preflop if he's loose-aggro pf, but if he's tight, that's fine. I'd call flop and fold turn UI.
22 - Standard. Hope he has T8o.
thanks zach. i'll wait for more opinions before commenting. you did remind me of a couple general questions.
as a full-ring player, there are certain things i just don't do, for metagame purposes. these include never raise/capping preflop HU, and never donkbetting flops or cold-calling except in very multi-way situations.
should i be ignoring metagame aspects like that in SH and dealing only situationally? seems like that aspect shouldn't change.
as a full-ring player, there are certain things i just don't do, for metagame purposes. these include never raise/capping preflop HU, and never donkbetting flops or cold-calling except in very multi-way situations.
should i be ignoring metagame aspects like that in SH and dealing only situationally? seems like that aspect shouldn't change.
QUOTE (mrdannyg @ Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 5:34 PM)
thanks zach. i'll wait for more opinions before commenting. you did remind me of a couple general questions.
as a full-ring player, there are certain things i just don't do, for metagame purposes. these include never raise/capping preflop HU, and never donkbetting flops or cold-calling except in very multi-way situations.
should i be ignoring metagame aspects like that in SH and dealing only situationally? seems like that aspect shouldn't change.
as a full-ring player, there are certain things i just don't do, for metagame purposes. these include never raise/capping preflop HU, and never donkbetting flops or cold-calling except in very multi-way situations.
should i be ignoring metagame aspects like that in SH and dealing only situationally? seems like that aspect shouldn't change.
Na, depends on what else you do.
I always cap AA HU pf because I cap with a lot less there.
I rarely donkbet flops, but that's a style thing as well.
It all still applies.
CC'ing pf is rarely done though, at least if you are the first cold caller.
1. Standard.
2. Standard.
3. I cbet this flop. 3 handed I almost always fire a barrel on the flop.
4. In tight games, your hoping to pick up the blinds with a hand like 55. In loose games this is a fold. I usually raise 77+ here.
5. Hmm, I don’t make this play w/o a read.
6. Fold pf.
7. Good fold. Generally, the worst hand I continue with postflop in a multiway pot is middle pair good kicker.
8. Pf is a fold, although I do raise JTs there. So far just seen the first few hands I think you mite be trying to hard to push people off hands. Again, I don’t do this w/o a read.
9. Standard.
10. Flop check is good. Don’t bet the turn.
11. Standard 3bet pf. Played well postflop. 3 betting the flop is a spew. No, it’s not T9 often enough to do this imo.
12. Standard.
13. Fold pf
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14. Lol uh…wow I would never ever do something like that. I’d say fold pf, but if this “hero” knows sumthing I don’t I hope he chimes in.
15. Meh, muck on the flop.
16. Standard
17. How often do you attack his blinds?
18. Good.
19. STOP trying to push people off hands w/o a read. Lots more showdown monkeys at SH than full.
20. Lead the flop. Hand plays out differently from there imo.
21. I’m folding the turn.
22. Standard.
2. Standard.
3. I cbet this flop. 3 handed I almost always fire a barrel on the flop.
4. In tight games, your hoping to pick up the blinds with a hand like 55. In loose games this is a fold. I usually raise 77+ here.
5. Hmm, I don’t make this play w/o a read.
6. Fold pf.
7. Good fold. Generally, the worst hand I continue with postflop in a multiway pot is middle pair good kicker.
8. Pf is a fold, although I do raise JTs there. So far just seen the first few hands I think you mite be trying to hard to push people off hands. Again, I don’t do this w/o a read.
9. Standard.
10. Flop check is good. Don’t bet the turn.
11. Standard 3bet pf. Played well postflop. 3 betting the flop is a spew. No, it’s not T9 often enough to do this imo.
12. Standard.
13. Fold pf
.14. Lol uh…wow I would never ever do something like that. I’d say fold pf, but if this “hero” knows sumthing I don’t I hope he chimes in.
15. Meh, muck on the flop.
16. Standard
17. How often do you attack his blinds?
18. Good.
19. STOP trying to push people off hands w/o a read. Lots more showdown monkeys at SH than full.
20. Lead the flop. Hand plays out differently from there imo.
21. I’m folding the turn.
22. Standard.
You play well, obv because you've developed a lot of your skill over at full ring. However, the one thing I think you have to tone down a bit is the bluffing/pushing people off hands. When I first started 6 max too, I displayed some of this "wreckless" aggression as well. Of course you have to be more aggressive in SH, but I think your pushing it a tad bit too far.
What is SH then? Well, full is all about waiting for good cards and getting the most value outta them. SH is all about the blinds, I'm sure you know that. Your success at SH will literally be a function of how well you attack and defend the blinds.
What is SH then? Well, full is all about waiting for good cards and getting the most value outta them. SH is all about the blinds, I'm sure you know that. Your success at SH will literally be a function of how well you attack and defend the blinds.
Here are my first thoughts...
Haven't read replies yet.
******* Hand 1 ********
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Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [8s] [2d]
4 folds, HERO folds, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1 returned to BB.
Results:
Final pot: 0.33BB
general concept - how often am i folding in an unopened SB in a 2/3 structure? what about J6o? assuming bb is normal 28/15 or whatever.
I’ve never played a 2/3 structure.
But I imagine I would not fold often.
I would probably consider myself already invested preflop as if I was already committed to $3.
So then my only options would be to check (complete) or raise.
So this means that on occasion, I would even be willing to check-fold (complete-fold) preflop.
Because I would have no desire to play 82 out of position against a raiser.
But having the possibility of seeing a cheap flop with 5-1 odds against a random hand is too tempting to fold without throwing in the $1.
It is probably the only place in poker where I would call-fold preflop.
But the loss involved in doing so (1/3 small bet) is insignificant.
******* Hand 2 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qd] [Jh]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, HERO calls.
Flop: [Ac] [3c] [7s] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, HERO checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Button raises, SB folds, HERO folds,
my first hand - standard i assume.
Standard
******* Hand 3 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [Ah] [Jd]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, HERO raises to $6, CO calls, SB calls.
Flop: [8d] [5c] [7h] ($18, 3 players)
SB checks, HERO checks, CO bets $3, SB folds, HERO calls.
Turn: [6h] ($24, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO checks.
River: [Kh] ($24, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets $6, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: $24
don't like c-betting this board multi-way - am probably folding most turns. river fold ok?
I won’t c-bet out of position into a full table.
But I certainly will vs 2 opponents when only 1 has position on me.
And I think you need to as well.
If you are going to call the flop bet, I see no reason not to make it yourself.
If you are raised, you can check-fold the turn.
******* Hand 4 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is UTG with [5c] [5h]
HERO folds,
i raised 66 and folded 55. sound ok?
Unless the table has been crazy, I open raise with any pair.
******* Hand 5 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is UTG with [Kc] [Qh]
HERO raises to $6, 3 folds, BB calls.
Flop: [2s] [7d] [4s] ($14, 2 players)
BB checks, HERO bets $3, BB raises to $6, HERO calls.
Turn: [Ah] ($26, 2 players)
BB bets $6, HERO raises to $12, BB raises to $18, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to BB.
Results:
Final pot: $50
good spot to bluff? am i betting the river if he calls? board is light enough that i'm raising there if i do have AT+, but seems like i should just toss it.I don’t mind this occasional bluff here.
Since you represented the Ace preflop.
If he calls your raise, do not bluff again on the river.
If he called with a piece on the turn, he will call once more.
If he called with only a draw on the turn, your K-high wins anyways.
******* Hand 6 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG+1 with [8s] [9s]
UTG folds, HERO raises to $6, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: [Ks] [7h] [3d] ($24, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, HERO checks, CO bets $3, SB calls, BB folds, HERO folds.
no c-bet on a draw-light board 3-way with no showdown value?
I often fold this preflop.
I usually don’t put too much value on mid-suited connectors in a short-handed limit game.
I raise here only if I am confident that I can at least buy the button.
I think you may be slightly confused about something.
Draw-light boards are the ones that you want to c-bet.
Because it minimizes the reasons for people to call your bluff.
******* Hand 7 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [Ks] [7h]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, HERO calls, BB checks.
Flop: [Tc] [9s] [7d] (4SB, 4 players)
HERO checks, BB checks, UTG bets, CO calls, HERO folds,
lead out? call along safe cards? UTG is regular/aggressive.
These are the hands I think a lot of people to lose money on.
Folding certainly rules out that possibility.
So it can’t be that bad.
Coordinated board.
So it’s unlikely your flop bet is going to win it right there.
I don’t like to chase.
I’m down with the fold.
******* Hand 8 ********
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Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG+1 with [9s] [Js]
UTG folds, HERO raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [3c] [7d] [Ad] (7.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO raises, CO calls.
Turn: [2h] (5.83BB, 2 players)
HERO bets, CO calls.
River: [Kc] (7.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: 7.83BB
early open, but mainly concerned about post-flop. does this ever work vs 88-KK, or am i just spewing? any other suggested lines (c/c flop, donk turn?)
This is an important hand.
Because it can be the sole reason a player is a losing SH-limit loser.
Preflop: I fold!
I feel that I am good enough to play J9s from the hi-jack without losing money.
But even in the best case scenario, I can’t imagine winning big with it in the long run.
Thus I usually let it go.
If someone had limped before me, I might play with them.
But opening with it 2 off the button doesn’t seem necessary.
I wait for a better spot.
Post Flop:
I am an aggressive player.
And it allows me to steal many many small pots.
But I do not bluff counter-aggression.
It is an easy way to lose a lot of money.
I understand your flop idea.
Your bluff check-raise is representing the A.
But the problem is, villains almost always call the check raise on the flop- even if they know they will be folding the turn.
So this means that you must also bluff the turn.
And now things are getting expensive!
And it’s just not worth the risk.
More often than not…
- Either Villain will have a good hand and beat you.
- Or Villain will not be that strong, but after all these raises, the pot is so big that Villain will call down anyways… and still beat your J high.
Remember, the single best way to make money from opponents at this level is to take advantage of their loose calls.
It is not to bluff them off a hand.
******* Hand 9 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is CO with [Ah] [Kc]
UTG raises to $6, HERO raises to $9, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop: [3c] [5s] [Jh] ($36, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $3, HERO calls, SB folds, BB calls.
Turn: [6c] ($45, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $6, HERO folds,
yuck. raise flop seems spewish. standard?
Sometimes I raise the flop to clean outs and buy a free card.
Sometimes I passively call to chase.
Your play is fine.
******* Hand 10 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is CO with [Ac] [Js]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, HERO raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop: [4h] [Kd] [Qs] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button checks.
Turn: [3d] (5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button checks.
River: [5c] (5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, HERO folds.
Results:
Final pot: 7BB
i usually throw a bet in on the flop, but button was very loose. anyone betting the turn here?
Against 4 opponents with 2 royal cards on board, I don’t c-bet.
I think you played it fine.
******* Hand 11 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qc] [Kh]
4 folds, SB raises, HERO 3-bets, SB calls.
Flop: [5d] [8h] [Jd] (6SB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB raises, HERO calls.
Turn: [8s] (5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to SB.
Results:
Final pot: 5BB
no read - is a 3-betting putting people off any hands, or just a spew in a blind battle? is this 9T or something often enough that i can bet turn and check behind river?
I play it the same.
Bluff 3betting with nothing is very rarely ever a good play.
******* Hand 12 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Ad] [2d]
UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Button calls, SB raises to $9, HERO folds,
2 bets to me, looks like 4-way. nope?
I don’t call 2 here either.
******* Hand 13 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is CO with [As] [Ah]
2 folds, HERO raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: [4h] [7h] [Td] (7SB, 3 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, Button folds, SB raises, HERO 3-bets, SB calls.
Turn: [9s] (6.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB calls.
River: [5d] (8.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB calls.
Results:
Final pot: 10.5BB
i assume very standard.
Very standard
******* Hand 14 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [6s] [7s]
3 folds, Button raises, HERO 3-bets, BB folds, Button calls.
Flop: [Jc] [Kd] [3d] (7SB, 2 players)
HERO bets, Button calls.
Turn: [8c] (4.5BB, 2 players)
HERO bets, Button calls.
River: [Ks] (6.5BB, 2 players)
HERO bets,
Results:
Final pot: 8.5BB
gross. a certain hero of mine taught me that 3-betting connectors from the SB in a 2/3 structure against steals is a good way to loosen things up. he really paused on the flop, and i figured he had some sort of straight draw. i'm check/folding a lot of rivers, but the K was too juicy not too.
I don’t like it at all.
Little suited connectors heads up have very little value imo.
I see this hand as playing 7 high out of position against a PFR.
And that is surely a losing proposition.
JTs might be different.
******* Hand 15 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qs] [2s]
3 folds, Button raises, SB calls, HERO calls.
Flop: [2d] [Kd] [9c] (6SB, 3 players)
SB bets, HERO folds,
guy donks into the stealer - seems like a good spot for an iso raise. seems like i can easily fold, call or raise there, with the option of raising the turn if i just call the flop.
Calling the flop is not an option.
If you are going to play bottom pair, you have to knock out the PFR – who has either a better hand or overs to outdraw you.
But I don’t raise.
I believe the donk-bet.
Because I often lead out here from the SB with a marginal made hand.
I fold the flop.
******* Hand 16 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [4s] [3c]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, HERO folds,
seems like just a bit too weak to get involved.
To play a hand like 43 profitably, you have to be very precise postflop.
I occasionally do it for 1 bet when getting huge odds preflop.
But folding can not be bad.
******* Hand 17 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is Button with [As] [Kc]
3 folds, HERO raises, BB calls.
Flop: [7h] [4h] [Ts] (3.33SB, 3 players)
HERO bets, BB raises, HERO calls.
Turn: [9s] (3.67BB, 3 players)
HERO checks, BB bets, HERO folds.
was probably calling down, but 9 paired too many drawing hands. give me a better line of a draw-heavy flop. i guess i should just 3-bet the flop.
3bet-bluffing does nothing.
Nothing.
Because you just have to bluff out again on the turn.
If you really want to bluff again, just call the flop raise and dink-bet the turn.
It gets the same effect as 3betting the flop, but at half the price.
When raised on the flop, Villain may have a wide range of hands- including total air.
When any sort of scare card comes on the turn, that’s when I like to donk-bet into him again.
Scare card = any overcard to the flop or any draw-completing hand.
This way, even if Villain did raise with a pair on the flop, he will likely freeze on the turn and just call.
And will then even be afraid to value bet the river if we check to him.
So we get to see showdown quite cheaply.
Most villains will not bluff-raise the PFR on BOTH streets.
So if he raises the turn again, he often has more than 1 pair.
And thus we are drawing dead and do not need to see the river.
So with the proper sequence of board cards…
I bet-call the flop.
And I bet-fold the turn.
******* Hand 18 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [7h] [7c]
UTG raises, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [9c] [Kc] [Kh] (4.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, UTG bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1SB returned to UTG.
Results:
Final pot: 2.33BB
blar. gross for metagame, but didn't know what else to do here.
I hate this.
3bet preflop.
As played, show some aggression on the flop.
XXY flops are wonderful when we have a pair!
******* Hand 19 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [Qc] [Kd]
3 folds, SB calls, HERO raises to $6, SB calls.
Flop: [Ah] [6s] [Tc] ($12, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets $3, SB raises to $6, HERO raises to $9, SB calls.
Turn: [7d] ($30, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets $6, SB calls.
River: [2c] ($42, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO checks.
Results:
Final pot: $42
was pretty certain he didn't have an ace, figured i could push him off a ten. bad idea in a blind battle?
Very bad idea to think you can ever push any villain off 2nd pair.
Don’t do it.
Don’t even try.
That’s not what these games are about.
As played, the river check was good.
You gain nothing from another bet.
******* Hand 20 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [Js] [9s]
3 folds, Button calls, HERO calls, BB checks.
Flop: [Jd] [6h] [Ah] (3SB, 3 players)
HERO checks, BB checks, Button checks.
Turn: [Tc] (1.5BB, 3 players)
HERO bets, BB folds, Button calls.
River: [Qh] (3.5BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, Button bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Button.
Results:
Final pot: 3.5BB
safe river fold?
I hate it.
Lead that flop!
Get calls from lesser pairs of drawing hands.
Lots of value from a bet here.
Villains are unlikely to have an Ace.
And if they fold immediately, that is great too.
If Buttons has big cards, he likely would have raised preflop.
If he had the Flush Draw, he likely would have bet the flop.
Don’t forget about these facts when you see him call the turn.
This turn call may have simply meant that he hit the Ten.
In which case you are ahead.
That river card was certainly scary.
But since I didn’t put him on any of the draws to begin with, I don’t necessarily give him credit for passing me up here.
I don’t mind the river check.
But if I check it, I am certainly calling a bet.
******* Hand 21 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG with [Qh] [Ad]
HERO raises, UTG+1 folds, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [5d] [7d] [3h] (7.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
Turn: [4c] (4.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
River: [9s] (6.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
Results:
Final pot: 8.83BB
just proof that i suck. he was way too tight to call the turn.
I hate it,
I 3bet preflop.
This hand is so much easier if you have the lead going into the flop.
If I am raised postflop, I can fold the turn.
Against a tight player, I think it is even more important to cap preflop.
For the 1 extra small bet you invest, you may get him to fold AK or a small pocket pair by the turn.
And if you are raised, you can be even more confident you are behind and fold and save more money than the 1sb you spent earlier.
******* Hand 22 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is Button with [Jc] [Jh]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, HERO raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, CO calls.
Flop: [3s] [8c] [2h] (7.67SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO calls.
Turn: [2d] (5.33BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO calls.
River: [Tc] (8.33BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO raises, HERO calls, UTG calls.
Results:
Final pot: 14.33BB
last hand of the session. seems vastly standard, but it sucks.
I see no problems with this.
I never worry about whether the results are good or bad.
Just my play.
And you played this fine.
Nice Hand.
--CM
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******* Hand 1 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [8s] [2d]
4 folds, HERO folds, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1 returned to BB.
Results:
Final pot: 0.33BB
general concept - how often am i folding in an unopened SB in a 2/3 structure? what about J6o? assuming bb is normal 28/15 or whatever.
I’ve never played a 2/3 structure.
But I imagine I would not fold often.
I would probably consider myself already invested preflop as if I was already committed to $3.
So then my only options would be to check (complete) or raise.
So this means that on occasion, I would even be willing to check-fold (complete-fold) preflop.
Because I would have no desire to play 82 out of position against a raiser.
But having the possibility of seeing a cheap flop with 5-1 odds against a random hand is too tempting to fold without throwing in the $1.
It is probably the only place in poker where I would call-fold preflop.
But the loss involved in doing so (1/3 small bet) is insignificant.
******* Hand 2 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qd] [Jh]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, HERO calls.
Flop: [Ac] [3c] [7s] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, HERO checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Button raises, SB folds, HERO folds,
my first hand - standard i assume.
Standard
******* Hand 3 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [Ah] [Jd]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, HERO raises to $6, CO calls, SB calls.
Flop: [8d] [5c] [7h] ($18, 3 players)
SB checks, HERO checks, CO bets $3, SB folds, HERO calls.
Turn: [6h] ($24, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO checks.
River: [Kh] ($24, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets $6, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: $24
don't like c-betting this board multi-way - am probably folding most turns. river fold ok?
I won’t c-bet out of position into a full table.
But I certainly will vs 2 opponents when only 1 has position on me.
And I think you need to as well.
If you are going to call the flop bet, I see no reason not to make it yourself.
If you are raised, you can check-fold the turn.
******* Hand 4 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is UTG with [5c] [5h]
HERO folds,
i raised 66 and folded 55. sound ok?
Unless the table has been crazy, I open raise with any pair.
******* Hand 5 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is UTG with [Kc] [Qh]
HERO raises to $6, 3 folds, BB calls.
Flop: [2s] [7d] [4s] ($14, 2 players)
BB checks, HERO bets $3, BB raises to $6, HERO calls.
Turn: [Ah] ($26, 2 players)
BB bets $6, HERO raises to $12, BB raises to $18, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to BB.
Results:
Final pot: $50
good spot to bluff? am i betting the river if he calls? board is light enough that i'm raising there if i do have AT+, but seems like i should just toss it.I don’t mind this occasional bluff here.
Since you represented the Ace preflop.
If he calls your raise, do not bluff again on the river.
If he called with a piece on the turn, he will call once more.
If he called with only a draw on the turn, your K-high wins anyways.
******* Hand 6 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG+1 with [8s] [9s]
UTG folds, HERO raises to $6, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: [Ks] [7h] [3d] ($24, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, HERO checks, CO bets $3, SB calls, BB folds, HERO folds.
no c-bet on a draw-light board 3-way with no showdown value?
I often fold this preflop.
I usually don’t put too much value on mid-suited connectors in a short-handed limit game.
I raise here only if I am confident that I can at least buy the button.
I think you may be slightly confused about something.
Draw-light boards are the ones that you want to c-bet.
Because it minimizes the reasons for people to call your bluff.
******* Hand 7 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [Ks] [7h]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, HERO calls, BB checks.
Flop: [Tc] [9s] [7d] (4SB, 4 players)
HERO checks, BB checks, UTG bets, CO calls, HERO folds,
lead out? call along safe cards? UTG is regular/aggressive.
These are the hands I think a lot of people to lose money on.
Folding certainly rules out that possibility.
So it can’t be that bad.
Coordinated board.
So it’s unlikely your flop bet is going to win it right there.
I don’t like to chase.
I’m down with the fold.
******* Hand 8 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG+1 with [9s] [Js]
UTG folds, HERO raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [3c] [7d] [Ad] (7.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO raises, CO calls.
Turn: [2h] (5.83BB, 2 players)
HERO bets, CO calls.
River: [Kc] (7.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: 7.83BB
early open, but mainly concerned about post-flop. does this ever work vs 88-KK, or am i just spewing? any other suggested lines (c/c flop, donk turn?)
This is an important hand.
Because it can be the sole reason a player is a losing SH-limit loser.
Preflop: I fold!
I feel that I am good enough to play J9s from the hi-jack without losing money.
But even in the best case scenario, I can’t imagine winning big with it in the long run.
Thus I usually let it go.
If someone had limped before me, I might play with them.
But opening with it 2 off the button doesn’t seem necessary.
I wait for a better spot.
Post Flop:
I am an aggressive player.
And it allows me to steal many many small pots.
But I do not bluff counter-aggression.
It is an easy way to lose a lot of money.
I understand your flop idea.
Your bluff check-raise is representing the A.
But the problem is, villains almost always call the check raise on the flop- even if they know they will be folding the turn.
So this means that you must also bluff the turn.
And now things are getting expensive!
And it’s just not worth the risk.
More often than not…
- Either Villain will have a good hand and beat you.
- Or Villain will not be that strong, but after all these raises, the pot is so big that Villain will call down anyways… and still beat your J high.
Remember, the single best way to make money from opponents at this level is to take advantage of their loose calls.
It is not to bluff them off a hand.
******* Hand 9 ********
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Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is CO with [Ah] [Kc]
UTG raises to $6, HERO raises to $9, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop: [3c] [5s] [Jh] ($36, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $3, HERO calls, SB folds, BB calls.
Turn: [6c] ($45, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $6, HERO folds,
yuck. raise flop seems spewish. standard?
Sometimes I raise the flop to clean outs and buy a free card.
Sometimes I passively call to chase.
Your play is fine.
******* Hand 10 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is CO with [Ac] [Js]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, HERO raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop: [4h] [Kd] [Qs] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button checks.
Turn: [3d] (5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button checks.
River: [5c] (5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, HERO checks, Button bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, HERO folds.
Results:
Final pot: 7BB
i usually throw a bet in on the flop, but button was very loose. anyone betting the turn here?
Against 4 opponents with 2 royal cards on board, I don’t c-bet.
I think you played it fine.
******* Hand 11 ********
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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qc] [Kh]
4 folds, SB raises, HERO 3-bets, SB calls.
Flop: [5d] [8h] [Jd] (6SB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB raises, HERO calls.
Turn: [8s] (5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to SB.
Results:
Final pot: 5BB
no read - is a 3-betting putting people off any hands, or just a spew in a blind battle? is this 9T or something often enough that i can bet turn and check behind river?
I play it the same.
Bluff 3betting with nothing is very rarely ever a good play.
******* Hand 12 ********
Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Ad] [2d]
UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Button calls, SB raises to $9, HERO folds,
2 bets to me, looks like 4-way. nope?
I don’t call 2 here either.
******* Hand 13 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is CO with [As] [Ah]
2 folds, HERO raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: [4h] [7h] [Td] (7SB, 3 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, Button folds, SB raises, HERO 3-bets, SB calls.
Turn: [9s] (6.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB calls.
River: [5d] (8.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets, SB calls.
Results:
Final pot: 10.5BB
i assume very standard.
Very standard
******* Hand 14 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [6s] [7s]
3 folds, Button raises, HERO 3-bets, BB folds, Button calls.
Flop: [Jc] [Kd] [3d] (7SB, 2 players)
HERO bets, Button calls.
Turn: [8c] (4.5BB, 2 players)
HERO bets, Button calls.
River: [Ks] (6.5BB, 2 players)
HERO bets,
Results:
Final pot: 8.5BB
gross. a certain hero of mine taught me that 3-betting connectors from the SB in a 2/3 structure against steals is a good way to loosen things up. he really paused on the flop, and i figured he had some sort of straight draw. i'm check/folding a lot of rivers, but the K was too juicy not too.
I don’t like it at all.
Little suited connectors heads up have very little value imo.
I see this hand as playing 7 high out of position against a PFR.
And that is surely a losing proposition.
JTs might be different.
******* Hand 15 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with [Qs] [2s]
3 folds, Button raises, SB calls, HERO calls.
Flop: [2d] [Kd] [9c] (6SB, 3 players)
SB bets, HERO folds,
guy donks into the stealer - seems like a good spot for an iso raise. seems like i can easily fold, call or raise there, with the option of raising the turn if i just call the flop.
Calling the flop is not an option.
If you are going to play bottom pair, you have to knock out the PFR – who has either a better hand or overs to outdraw you.
But I don’t raise.
I believe the donk-bet.
Because I often lead out here from the SB with a marginal made hand.
I fold the flop.
******* Hand 16 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [4s] [3c]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, HERO folds,
seems like just a bit too weak to get involved.
To play a hand like 43 profitably, you have to be very precise postflop.
I occasionally do it for 1 bet when getting huge odds preflop.
But folding can not be bad.
******* Hand 17 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is Button with [As] [Kc]
3 folds, HERO raises, BB calls.
Flop: [7h] [4h] [Ts] (3.33SB, 3 players)
HERO bets, BB raises, HERO calls.
Turn: [9s] (3.67BB, 3 players)
HERO checks, BB bets, HERO folds.
was probably calling down, but 9 paired too many drawing hands. give me a better line of a draw-heavy flop. i guess i should just 3-bet the flop.
3bet-bluffing does nothing.
Nothing.
Because you just have to bluff out again on the turn.
If you really want to bluff again, just call the flop raise and dink-bet the turn.
It gets the same effect as 3betting the flop, but at half the price.
When raised on the flop, Villain may have a wide range of hands- including total air.
When any sort of scare card comes on the turn, that’s when I like to donk-bet into him again.
Scare card = any overcard to the flop or any draw-completing hand.
This way, even if Villain did raise with a pair on the flop, he will likely freeze on the turn and just call.
And will then even be afraid to value bet the river if we check to him.
So we get to see showdown quite cheaply.
Most villains will not bluff-raise the PFR on BOTH streets.
So if he raises the turn again, he often has more than 1 pair.
And thus we are drawing dead and do not need to see the river.
So with the proper sequence of board cards…
I bet-call the flop.
And I bet-fold the turn.
******* Hand 18 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [7h] [7c]
UTG raises, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [9c] [Kc] [Kh] (4.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, UTG bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1SB returned to UTG.
Results:
Final pot: 2.33BB
blar. gross for metagame, but didn't know what else to do here.
I hate this.
3bet preflop.
As played, show some aggression on the flop.
XXY flops are wonderful when we have a pair!
******* Hand 19 ********
Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$3
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) HERO is BB with [Qc] [Kd]
3 folds, SB calls, HERO raises to $6, SB calls.
Flop: [Ah] [6s] [Tc] ($12, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets $3, SB raises to $6, HERO raises to $9, SB calls.
Turn: [7d] ($30, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO bets $6, SB calls.
River: [2c] ($42, 2 players)
SB checks, HERO checks.
Results:
Final pot: $42
was pretty certain he didn't have an ace, figured i could push him off a ten. bad idea in a blind battle?
Very bad idea to think you can ever push any villain off 2nd pair.
Don’t do it.
Don’t even try.
That’s not what these games are about.
As played, the river check was good.
You gain nothing from another bet.
******* Hand 20 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is SB with [Js] [9s]
3 folds, Button calls, HERO calls, BB checks.
Flop: [Jd] [6h] [Ah] (3SB, 3 players)
HERO checks, BB checks, Button checks.
Turn: [Tc] (1.5BB, 3 players)
HERO bets, BB folds, Button calls.
River: [Qh] (3.5BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, Button bets, HERO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Button.
Results:
Final pot: 3.5BB
safe river fold?
I hate it.
Lead that flop!
Get calls from lesser pairs of drawing hands.
Lots of value from a bet here.
Villains are unlikely to have an Ace.
And if they fold immediately, that is great too.
If Buttons has big cards, he likely would have raised preflop.
If he had the Flush Draw, he likely would have bet the flop.
Don’t forget about these facts when you see him call the turn.
This turn call may have simply meant that he hit the Ten.
In which case you are ahead.
That river card was certainly scary.
But since I didn’t put him on any of the draws to begin with, I don’t necessarily give him credit for passing me up here.
I don’t mind the river check.
But if I check it, I am certainly calling a bet.
******* Hand 21 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG with [Qh] [Ad]
HERO raises, UTG+1 folds, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, HERO calls.
Flop: [5d] [7d] [3h] (7.67SB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
Turn: [4c] (4.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
River: [9s] (6.83BB, 2 players)
HERO checks, CO bets, HERO calls.
Results:
Final pot: 8.83BB
just proof that i suck. he was way too tight to call the turn.
I hate it,
I 3bet preflop.
This hand is so much easier if you have the lead going into the flop.
If I am raised postflop, I can fold the turn.
Against a tight player, I think it is even more important to cap preflop.
For the 1 extra small bet you invest, you may get him to fold AK or a small pocket pair by the turn.
And if you are raised, you can be even more confident you are behind and fold and save more money than the 1sb you spent earlier.
******* Hand 22 ********
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is Button with [Jc] [Jh]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, HERO raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, CO calls.
Flop: [3s] [8c] [2h] (7.67SB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO calls.
Turn: [2d] (5.33BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO calls.
River: [Tc] (8.33BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, HERO bets, UTG calls, CO raises, HERO calls, UTG calls.
Results:
Final pot: 14.33BB
last hand of the session. seems vastly standard, but it sucks.
I see no problems with this.
I never worry about whether the results are good or bad.
Just my play.
And you played this fine.
Nice Hand.
--CM
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