mikeysong
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 5:53 AM
Finally I get to my 5/10 hands !
Villain is 32.73/24.09/1.49
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
ConverterPre-flop: (
6 players) Hero is BB with 9

T
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls,
2 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.
Flop: 3

6

T

(
3SB, 3 players)
SB bets,
Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, SB calls.
Turn: Q

(
3.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks,
Hero bets,
SB raises, Hero ????
Imo isn't 3betting here the best play, with the plan to fold UI if he caps ??
Zach6668
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 10:35 AM
I'm more of a showdown whore, just my style (whether it's a winning style or not is yet to be determined), but I would just call the turn, since we have position on the river, and he will almost always bet, we can raise if we flush, 2 pair, trip up.
CoranMoran
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 1:30 PM
My thoughts about the prose and cons of 3betting for the free showdown...
Against a Bluff:
If Villain is bluffing you with a lesser hand, you may gain 1 more bet on the river by just calling the turn.
But you also allow him the chance to get lucky and outdraw your little pair of 7's.
3betting the turn may force him to dump immediately.
I don't think illain is bluffing here that much, though.
Value if you improve:
In most circumstances, even if you improve, you will win the same amount.
Villain often calls you down after your 3bet on the turn.
So you win an extra bet on the turn but lose the chance to raise the river.
Net amount is the same.
And even if he caps, he may check-call the river if the 3-flush hits.
So you only gain value if Villain caps and you hit your Flush and Villain leads the river again and he calls your raise.
Note: I am not referring to hitting 2-pair as improving since Villain is representing at least 2 pair himself.
Cost if you do not improve:
If you only call the turn, you will likely want to call the river.
If you 3bet the turn and are capped, you will fold the river without showdown.
Both cost you 2 bets.
However, if you have shown a tendency to 3bet and fold on the same hand, this play becomes dangerous.
Worst case scenario is always being bluffed off the entire pot that should have been yours.
Villain won't normally bluff-cap here.
But if they have seen you fold to it before... be careful.
Point: Don't use this play too often versus the same opponents.
Conclusion:
The pros and cons seem pretty close in this example.
And I think both styles are certainly playable.
My typical play is to 3bet the turn as you did and go for the free showdown.
However, I recognize the need to mix things up.
And if I have made this play recently, I will definitely not make it again.
--CM