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Alex916F
Everyone is pretty solid, no one getting out of line, i definately have a tight image, only showing down quality. Slowed played KK a couple times...


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG+1 (t34444)
MP1 (t6640)
MP2 (t18877)
MP3 (t13436)
CO (t5255)
Hero (t12810)
SB (t27528)
BB (t7468)
UTG (t20064)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A icon_suit_diamond.gif , K icon_suit_club.gif .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t800, 2 folds, MP3 calls t800, CO calls t800, Hero raises to t12760,


Did i announce AK? i know it would really be easy to put me on that hand.... any pocket pairs though????
cubbybri
I think the raise is too much in any case. I think a raise of maybe 5600 would be good, make the CO make decision for all chips and reasonable amount to scare a few out or force them to really have a hand.

I don't think they can peg you for AK but I think AQ AK or even TT-QQ could be hands that I would put you on in this scenario. I would lean towards the AQ and AK because it really looks like you do not want to see action on this hand.

I just think risking half that amount would have accomplished the same thing.

Edit: Read next post. I wasn't looking close enough to stacks. I'm tilted while posting, DOH
ChrisRichey
The pot is already 1/3 of your stack. Easy push, which would be the correct play with AQ+ and 88+ at this point imo.
rog
Push it real good.
Mercury69
Wow, everyone is just loving AK here. Personally speaking, you'd better be very, very sure what UTG+1 is limping with, not to mention the other two limpers. While a push is within the spectrum of possibilities, AK is not a hand I'm going to shove with 3 limpers and two people to act. I'm raising here half the time (and limping the other half) but only to about 3600 (pot is 3600. Does that give odds for people to call? You betcha. But it also gives you a much better chance at getting out if you miss the flop entirely, which is what will happen 70% of the time.

I realise the goal with AK is to get access to all 5 cards, but does that really mean throwing your entire stack in the ring with a strong but unmade hand? You gonna get called by hands that beat you and, if you miss the flop, you are toast.

I know, some of you will say "Weak!!!". With AK and 3 limpers and the blinds left to act, you're asking for trouble. Both UTG+1 and BB have you covered and it's not uncommon for one of the UTG's to limp with a big pair hoping someone will raise, looking for a chance to re-raise. I prefer to err on the side of caution.

On the other hand, it does make it much more difficult for someone to call...
tskillz187
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 10:20 AM) *
Wow, everyone is just loving AK here. Personally speaking, you'd better be very, very sure what UTG+1 is limping with, not to mention the other two limpers. While a push is within the spectrum of possibilities, AK is not a hand I'm going to shove with 3 limpers and two people to act. I'm raising here half the time (and limping the other half) but only to about 3600 (pot is 3600. Does that give odds for people to call? You betcha. But it also gives you a much better chance at getting out if you miss the flop entirely, which is what will happen 70% of the time.


Don't play like this. It's weak and bad. Hero's M is 10 here, limping with AK is a very bad play, you encourage limpers behind you and aren't feeling good even if you do flop tptk. I'd rather fold pf than limp here and I think most would think folding is horrible.


QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 10:20 AM) *
I realise the goal with AK is to get access to all 5 cards, but does that really mean throwing your entire stack in the ring with a strong but unmade hand? You gonna get called by hands that beat you and, if you miss the flop, you are toast.


You contradict yourself in this post. We want to see all 5 but if we miss the flop we're toast? We want to see all five so that missing the flop doesn't matter we have to miss the entire board. And even if we do miss the whole board you do get called by AQ here with some frequency.


QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 10:20 AM) *
I know, some of you will say "Weak!!!". With AK and 3 limpers and the blinds left to act, you're asking for trouble. Both UTG+1 and BB have you covered and it's not uncommon for one of the UTG's to limp with a big pair hoping someone will raise, looking for a chance to re-raise. I prefer to err on the side of caution.


You are asking for trouble. You should really take this approach out of your game. Sure people limp up front with big hands sometimes, they also limp with AJ AQ QK suited connectors and small pairs. When they have a monster and limped utg and you have AK with an M of 10 you are going to go broke if you don't suck out. That's just a part of the game. This isn't erring on the side of caution it's losing a ton of value, you are only allowing yourself to win the hand when you are ahead postflop. That's a very bad way to play AK.
ChrisRichey
QFT to everything tskillz had to say. Limp? With an M of 10? We would have to put far too much of our stack in with a raise, it's an EASY push.
Mercury69
QUOTE (tskillz187 @ Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 1:41 PM) *
Don't play like this. It's weak and bad. Hero's M is 10 here, limping with AK is a very bad play, you encourage limpers behind you and aren't feeling good even if you do flop tptk. I'd rather fold pf than limp here and I think most would think folding is horrible.
You contradict yourself in this post. We want to see all 5 but if we miss the flop we're toast? We want to see all five so that missing the flop doesn't matter we have to miss the entire board. And even if we do miss the whole board you do get called by AQ here with some frequency.
You are asking for trouble. You should really take this approach out of your game. Sure people limp up front with big hands sometimes, they also limp with AJ AQ QK suited connectors and small pairs. When they have a monster and limped utg and you have AK with an M of 10 you are going to go broke if you don't suck out. That's just a part of the game. This isn't erring on the side of caution it's losing a ton of value, you are only allowing yourself to win the hand when you are ahead postflop. That's a very bad way to play AK.



QUOTE (ChrisRichey @ Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 1:45 PM) *
QFT to everything tskillz had to say. Limp? With an M of 10? We would have to put far too much of our stack in with a raise, it's an EASY push.


Excellent rebuttal, guys. It helps clarify a direction I've been trying to move in of late. There 's no question that getting buttsecksed with perfect-perfect on so many occasions that I've developed a paranoid streak, but I've been loosening up (logically) lately and it's been working, so this reinforces that.

Thanks!
asytnik
Easy push. There just are no other options.

1. Raise and fold to a re-raise? Horrible.
2. Limp? Get ready to puke when the flop either a)misses you or b ) you get it all in on a A89 flop and the guy shows you 89s.
3. Fold? No way
4. Raise and call a re-raise? Risking giving other stacks pot odds and you only want to play against 1 opponent and see the whole board.

Push it to the limit!


Edit: I probably play AA the same way here hoping a TT,JJ,QQ puts me on the AK and I double up.
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