After winning a sat that I didn't just sell for the $ I have the chance to finally play the Sunday Mil on Pstars. I am no stranger to large fields or bigger buy -ins, but, I have never had the opportunity to play this Tourney since I usually work sundays.Finally got one off. What can I expect from the players? Is a donkfest all the way through?
I generally play a TAG game, small ball usually in bigger stack tourneys such as this, but after watchingsome of the Nightly $100,000, i feel that small ball might be dangerous, as too many player are apt to chase down there draws. Any advice from those who play this regualy?
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QUOTE (Dmuz75 @ Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 10:44 AM) 
After winning a sat that I didn't just sell for the $ I have the chance to finally play the Sunday Mil on Pstars. I am no stranger to large fields or bigger buy -ins, but, I have never had the opportunity to play this Tourney since I usually work sundays.Finally got one off. What can I expect from the players? Is a donkfest all the way through?
I generally play a TAG game, small ball usually in bigger stack tourneys such as this, but after watchingsome of the Nightly $100,000, i feel that small ball might be dangerous, as too many player are apt to chase down there draws. Any advice from those who play this regualy?
I generally play a TAG game, small ball usually in bigger stack tourneys such as this, but after watchingsome of the Nightly $100,000, i feel that small ball might be dangerous, as too many player are apt to chase down there draws. Any advice from those who play this regualy?
Where to start? First, this is not a bigger stack tourney, don't let the 10k starting stack fool you. This is a fast structure with shallow chip stacks at virtually every stage of the tournament. The play in this tournament is going to be so bad, it's staggering. You're going to have to be willing to gamble more, value bet thinly, and make looser calls than normal. Next thing, this field is gonna be huge, I mean ****ing huge. All the money in this tournament is at the top (Final table etc.) so be willing to gamble to try to accumulate a big stack. Beyond that, I can't really give any in depth analysis, unless you have questions that are a little more specific. Oooh, one more thing, if you think your opponents are apt to chase down, bet more until they are making -ev decisions with every call. Good luck.
QUOTE (GrinderMJ @ Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 6:07 AM)
Where to start? First, this is not a bigger stack tourney, don't let the 10k starting stack fool you. This is a fast structure with shallow chip stacks at virtually every stage of the tournament. The play in this tournament is going to be so bad, it's staggering. You're going to have to be willing to gamble more, value bet thinly, and make looser calls than normal. Next thing, this field is gonna be huge, I mean ****ing huge. All the money in this tournament is at the top (Final table etc.) so be willing to gamble to try to accumulate a big stack. Beyond that, I can't really give any in depth analysis, unless you have questions that are a little more specific. Oooh, one more thing, if you think your opponents are apt to chase down, bet more until they are making -ev decisions with every call. Good luck.
I've only played the SM twice and pretty much all of this is pretty damn good advice. Plus Grinder FT'd this somehow so he's the one in the know!
QUOTE (GrinderMJ @ Saturday, March 10th, 2007, 10:07 PM)
Where to start? First, this is not a bigger stack tourney, don't let the 10k starting stack fool you. This is a fast structure with shallow chip stacks at virtually every stage of the tournament. The play in this tournament is going to be so bad, it's staggering. You're going to have to be willing to gamble more, value bet thinly, and make looser calls than normal. Next thing, this field is gonna be huge, I mean ****ing huge. All the money in this tournament is at the top (Final table etc.) so be willing to gamble to try to accumulate a big stack. Beyond that, I can't really give any in depth analysis, unless you have questions that are a little more specific. Oooh, one more thing, if you think your opponents are apt to chase down, bet more until they are making -ev decisions with every call. Good luck.
Yeah, thats great advice.
The play is HORRENDOUS. If you get lucky and get drawn at an good first table, anything is possible.
Something I do is I pokerdb my opponents to see what general skill level they're at. Theres usually four categories:
-The experienced tourney player with 10k+ in cashes and over 25 cashes. There is a good chance he is on 2+2 or pocket fives, so having a look at his profile/posts/whatever should give you an in depth view as to what kind of player he is. Generally, players like this play the typical TAG game early, so stay out of the way of his raises, and if you do happen to pick up a hand like KK or AA when he raises, reraise because there is a good chance he has a great hand too.
-The satelitte winner #1. This is the kinda guy that has $26 life time winnings. He won a satelitte and is taking a shot and doesn't care if he goes bust, he's willing to gamble to get to the final table. Play tight against him, don't try to bluff him and value bet against him.
-The satelitte winner #2. Same as above, except this guy is taking a shot and cashing would be a great achievment for him. He will playing a tight passive game and will not want to go broke early. Generally, he is easily bluffed post flop.
-The average Joe. This guy isn't pro, but he has some experience. Just play against him normally.
These are just some tips to bear in mind.
I'm not sure what the best strategy or mindset is, but I've always tended to play loose to build a stack. As Grinder said, all the money (in all MTTs, not just this) is at the end. So sometimes you have to gamble to build a stack to get that big pay day at the end.
Gl
QUOTE (Dmuz75 @ Saturday, March 10th, 2007, 9:44 PM)
After winning a sat that I didn't just sell for the $ I have the chance to finally play the Sunday Mil on Pstars. I am no stranger to large fields or bigger buy -ins, but, I have never had the opportunity to play this Tourney since I usually work sundays.Finally got one off. What can I expect from the players? Is a donkfest all the way through?
I generally play a TAG game, small ball usually in bigger stack tourneys such as this, but after watchingsome of the Nightly $100,000, i feel that small ball might be dangerous, as too many player are apt to chase down there draws. Any advice from those who play this regualy?
I generally play a TAG game, small ball usually in bigger stack tourneys such as this, but after watchingsome of the Nightly $100,000, i feel that small ball might be dangerous, as too many player are apt to chase down there draws. Any advice from those who play this regualy?
My honest advice would be to keep the 215$ if it is a significant part of your bankroll. On Stars you don't need to sell the T$ because you can use it for other tournaments with smaller fields or SNGs. But if you really are inclined to play....
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Is a donkfest all the way through?
Sunday Million is The King of all Donkaments. You can pretty much forget about small ball for all but the first few levels.
I FT'd twice in the last 6 months and all the other weeks I wasn't even ITM. It was well worth it. Looking back on two times I FT'd I:
1. Won 3-4 coin flips in a row to build a monster stack.
2. Preserved the monster stack heading into the bubble.
3. On the bubble, was lucky enough to be at tables full of weak-tight players whose blinds I stole.
4. Won a couple more coinflips and had my big hands hold up post-bubble.
I'm not sure what kind of formula you're looking for, but you need to get in there and gamble and get lucky to hit a big payday. All of these points are also the reason to keep the $215 and use it elsewhere because you really REALLY need a monster bankroll in order to play the SM right.
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