NEtwowilldo
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 3:58 PM
Blinds 300/600 Ante 75
Hero has 3675 in tournament chips
Hero is UTG +1
2

2
UTG folds
This is my first time using the poll feature so if it comes out looking retarded my apologies.
jmbreslin
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 4:44 PM
How many opponents?
asytnik
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 4:54 PM
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 4:44 PM)

How many opponents?
What's your table image? Who are the blinds? What do they think of you, and what do you think they think you know about them? The above poster brings up yet another interesting point about how many players there are total. You just can't answer this kind of question without more information. At a full 9-10 player table with no other information this is a clear fold.
simo_8ball
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 5:00 PM
Shove. Almost any situation.
tskillz187
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 6:13 PM
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 5:00 PM)

Shove. Almost any situation.
Yawn. Shove. These sub-30 post people asking all these questions
NEtwowilldo
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 6:21 PM
I already said the blinds in the OP, 8 handed, my image was whatever, i was in EP for all my chips, that should say enough about image
throwemaway
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 6:22 PM
QUOTE (asytnik @ Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 4:54 PM)

What's your table image? Who are the blinds? What do they think of you, and what do you think they think you know about them? The above poster brings up yet another interesting point about how many players there are total. You just can't answer this kind of question without more information. At a full 9-10 player table with no other information this is a clear fold.
Doesn't matter..M of less than 3, blinds hittin you in 2 hands, and a pair...
Shove, AINEC
DCJ001
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 6:54 PM
ramenandeggs
Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 11:12 PM
i wait for utg to push with two overs to my ducks. but that's just cuz i'm crazy like that and prefer running my 36o against AK over 22.
cubbybri
Wednesday, March 7th, 2007, 9:06 AM
shove, there may be some bubble play situations where you would fold but with blinds coming to you next it is virtually always a push.
Eight_Tabler
Wednesday, March 7th, 2007, 8:12 PM
instashove, and thank the poker gods that you were dealt a pair in this desperate spot.
ChrisRichey
Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 9:08 AM
QUOTE (ramenandeggs @ Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 11:12 PM)

i wait for utg to push with two overs to my ducks. but that's just cuz i'm crazy like that and prefer running my 36o against AK over 22.
I agree, I fold 22 here. utg+1? Come on guys.
cubbybri
Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 9:37 AM
Sorry, what reason do we have to fold against a 8 handed table with an effective M of nothing? We have one more hand to get something better. Hero really shouldn't have gotten to this point with chips unless just losing one. That may be the only reason I would fold, I just lost a hand and peeps have reason to believe I'm tilted. Then I fold. Other than that, I must be looking pretty tight to be virtually blinded out so I may have some FE. In all reality anyone with a fair hand or a big stack will call ya.
I'd like to be in with a made hand than wait for one more hand and randomly push with any two, this is your chance by choice to double, take it.
I think your stack is too small to really even be asking.
tskillz187
Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 9:49 AM
QUOTE (ChrisRichey @ Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 9:08 AM)

I agree, I fold 22 here. utg+1? Come on guys.
The only reason to wait is to just push in your BB or push the flop in your BB or call all in in your BB. You are too short, OBV if you fold here and pick up a monster UTG then you push, but when you super short it is better to wait for your BB than to make a move and be forced to make another move once the blinds hit you. Russ Boyd and I think either PP or Matros argued about this.
This situation isn't the same though, because we aren't THAT short. Our M is a little over 2. We have 6BBs left, the strategy they outlined was more for less than 3. I think we push and have more FE than some give credit for, this isn't an auto call for anyone. OBV an pocket pair is calling us, but things like 78 are probably folding unless they have a monstrous stack. You might even get middle stacks folding 33-66 especially if they are also in EP-MP.
ChrisRichey
Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 9:58 AM
22 is just not the hand I want to push with at this point. It is too likely that we are going to be dominated since we are in EP, or that our hand is going to be counterfeited.
Zach6668
Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 10:26 AM
Dude, our M is like 2.4, and we're in the blinds in 2 hands...
Take a coinflip. Seriously.
DoinSublime
Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 1:49 PM
Shove and yell for a 2, but don't type it in the chat box.
BeaverStyle
Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 9:35 AM
QUOTE (DoinSublime @ Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 1:49 PM)

Shove and yell for a 2, but don't type it in the chat box.
So that's the key to winning coin flips.
Thx for the insight.
Heraclitus_V
Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 10:10 AM
all-in is the only move here, short stacked and about to be blinded out, any pair or ACE-FACE from early position
dingas
Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 12:16 PM
shouldn't you be pushing any 2 cards in this spot?
tskillz187
Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 12:40 PM
QUOTE (dingas @ Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 1:16 PM)

shouldn't you be pushing any 2 cards in this spot?
According to HOH I think so. But that is a little dated now that so many people know what you are doing.
SlackerInc
Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 10:19 PM
QUOTE (tskillz187 @ Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 2:40 PM)

According to HOH I think so. But that is a little dated now that so many people know what you are doing.
That's a pretty interesting point. Would be interesting to have a meta-HOH discussion as to how the series' presence has itself changed the game.
I would have to mull what you are saying here; but one thought that comes to mind is that if more people put you on ATC in this spot, it means less FE but also a greater chance of getting doubled up when you do have a hand. Which might itself discourage people from calling with a mediocre hand the next time the situation comes up, since they were burned a previous time. I guess I'm not convinced that this isn't a non-exploitable strategy.
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