Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: 8 5 T (12.5SB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Turn: 4 (9.25BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: 2 (13.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 15.25BB

Yeah, I thought I was a litte weak after the flop here, but now that I look at the HH, it looks even worse...

3-bet the turn?

Villain is 27/19/5.71 after 100 hands. The AF either wasn't that high when the hand took place, or I overlooked it.

Nonetheless, how do you play vs an unknown, vs this villain?

Against this opponent I'm 3-betting the turn all day.

With an AF that high, he's betting and raising a large number of hands that you are beating, I would think.

only hands i'm worried about r set n AA, push

An AF that high can also mean that villain folds too much, in which case you are toast on the turn. I call down on the turn.

Let's all ignore the AF. I didn't notice it at the time.

I also asked vs an unknown, does anyone 3-bet this turn?

I still think calling down is better than 3betting this turn. Your about 50/50 vs his range (meanin ur ahead/behind 50% of the time), and when your behind your losing 1 extra bet. Also, villain used a pretty strange line, which leads me to believe he may be somewhat more on the stronger side.

I don't think AA is ever capping this turn after we 3-bet, assuming a normal villain. You think AA caps here? Would you cap AA in his spot?

Good point, I overlooked AA capping there. Lol off course I'd cap AA on the turn there cuz I know what you have . I'm studying for a midterm so give me some slack!

Ok, seriously though. AA doesnt cap the turn, it calls down, but I still think call down is the better play.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.000% 55.00% 00.00% 726 0.00 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 45.000% 45.00% 00.00% 594 0.00 { AA, QQ-TT, 88, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, KsQs, KsJs, QsJs }

Close, don't have time to do all the math right now.

IPITS v. an unknown.

If villain has anything worse than KK, he's brutally overplaying his hand, IMO, as you are very strongly repping an overpair (meaning if he has QQ, he should consider himself a 2-1 underdog at best, and has no business raising).

With AA I would 3-bet against an unknown, although I wouldn't consider it a particularly easy 3-bet.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with A A
UTG folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero caps, SB calls.

Flop: Q 5 J (1SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: 2 (0.5BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets...


How about this one for turn 3-betting AA, MNG?

Villain was new, so consider him an unknown.

Convert fuxed up a bit, so ignore pot size, obv...lol

Hmmm..... I don't know about the three bet with the AA's hand. Against an unknown you don't have any reads, don't know how he plays he could have raised preflop with JJ's QQ's QJ, for you know 55's, I think I just call here on the turn, and you'll be expecting a bet on the river from villian, in which its going to be read dependent on your part.

im not sure what post i replied to so ill remove this for now

I 3bet my KK on this Ten-high board.

If the board was Q-high, I probably would not.
But villains at our levels love pushing overpairs.
And with the room in the middle, and JJ & QQ definite posibilities, I see room for more profit.

--CM

Without a specific read as Villain being a very tight player,
I think this is an absolute 3bet with AA.
And I will do it every time.
100%

Why do we fear we are behind?
The flop was pretty coordinated.
Lots of semi-bluffing opportunites for Villain.
And it wouldn't be too wise for him to slowplay a set or 2-pair on that board.

I am confident we win more than we lose overall in this situation with another raise.


--CM

I disagree, I think with an unknown this is not a 3bet. Its an unknown at the table, no reads, its really a disadvatage to you, and an advantage for villian. Just sucks to be in a situation were you pick up bullets, and an unknown is at the table, and he is betting into you, and you just sit back and ask yourself, WHY??? But I play mostly NLHE, not limit so I could be wrong.