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David_Nicoson
Hero buys into a live 1/2 NLHE (full ring) game for the max of $100.
One opponent has $600.
Of the others, half have $100ish and half have $300ish.

Preflop
UTG raises to $20. 3 calls. Hero calls with 8 icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif in cut-off. BB raises to 100 4 calls. Hero ?

The hero calls, knowing that he's gambling, for the purposes of playing a bigger stack against inferior opponents if he wins (and also advertisement value).
QUOTE (Angel Largay)
The big blind raises to $100, and by the time it got back to me the pot was offering me $520 for an $80 call or 6.5:1.


CODE
. . . .equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0: 10.868% 10.28%     00.58%               2533           144.08   { 8c2c }
Hand 1: 36.176% 35.84%     00.33%               8829            81.83   { 88+ }
Hand 2: 13.298% 12.46%     00.84%               3069           206.58   { random }
Hand 3: 12.846% 12.04%     00.81%               2966           198.33   { random }
Hand 4: 13.537% 12.78%     00.76%               3148           186.50   { random }
Hand 5: 13.274% 12.54%     00.73%               3089           180.67   { random }

CODE
. . . . equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:    12.589% 11.87%     00.72%             671740         40628.08   { 8c2c }
Hand 1:    31.090% 30.39%     00.70%            1719834         39481.17   { 88+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 2:    14.069% 13.16%     00.91%             744800         51355.33   { random }
Hand 3:    14.088% 13.18%     00.91%             745805         51422.00   { random }
Hand 4:    14.064% 13.15%     00.91%             744283         51584.08   { random }
Hand 5:    14.100% 13.19%     00.90%             746661         51201.33   { random }


Over the whole play, the hero trades $100 for $80 in equity, assuming the raiser has some sort of hand.

It seems to me that he's using the sunk cost of a really horrible initial call to justify the second call. Does anybody see merit in this play?
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 6:20 AM) *
Hero buys into a live 1/2 NLHE (full ring) game for the max of $100.
One opponent has $600.
Of the others, half have $100ish and half have $300ish.

Preflop
UTG raises to $20. 3 calls. Hero calls with 8 icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif in cut-off. BB raises to 100 4 calls. Hero ?

The hero calls, knowing that he's gambling, for the purposes of playing a bigger stack against inferior opponents if he wins (and also advertisement value).
CODE
. . . .equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0: 10.868% 10.28%     00.58%               2533           144.08   { 8c2c }
Hand 1: 36.176% 35.84%     00.33%               8829            81.83   { 88+ }
Hand 2: 13.298% 12.46%     00.84%               3069           206.58   { random }
Hand 3: 12.846% 12.04%     00.81%               2966           198.33   { random }
Hand 4: 13.537% 12.78%     00.76%               3148           186.50   { random }
Hand 5: 13.274% 12.54%     00.73%               3089           180.67   { random }

CODE
. . . . equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:    12.589% 11.87%     00.72%             671740         40628.08   { 8c2c }
Hand 1:    31.090% 30.39%     00.70%            1719834         39481.17   { 88+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 2:    14.069% 13.16%     00.91%             744800         51355.33   { random }
Hand 3:    14.088% 13.18%     00.91%             745805         51422.00   { random }
Hand 4:    14.064% 13.15%     00.91%             744283         51584.08   { random }
Hand 5:    14.100% 13.19%     00.90%             746661         51201.33   { random }


Over the whole play, the hero trades $100 for $80 in equity, assuming the raiser has some sort of hand.

It seems to me that he's using the sunk cost of a really horrible initial call to justify the second call. Does anybody see merit in this play?


I understand the temptation, but the deuce is a wickedly weak card.
This just doesn't hit hard often enough against five villains to ever justify.
Pretty sick if you did and it hit.
No_Neck
If you had 33 I could see but not with 82 suited.. I think you should just add $20 more to your stack and keep playing. You can find a better spot to gamble with.
BDPoolie
QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 6:20 AM) *
The hero calls, knowing that he's gambling, for the purposes of playing a bigger stack against inferior opponents if he wins (and also advertisement value).


I found this funny. He's talking about inferior opponents, yet he called an initial $20 raise with 8-2.

Fold Preflop.
Acid_Knight
I'd understand playing suited connectors. Suited 5-gappers against an UTG raise no matter how deep you are is a bad proposition, regardless of how well attended the pot is.

I disagree that there is any merit in this hand. It shoudl've been folded preflop and regardless of awesome pot odds, it should be folded on the flop. In a pot that well attended, it's a given that someone probably has a pair bigger than 88, and it's also likely that his flush draw is dead, meaning he's trying to make 2 pair or a straight with a hand that has 5 gaps in it.
Lavitz
Given the action on this play alone there is no need to "advertise" you are a donkey because people are calling huge raises and pushes with anything so they really dont care. Fold pre-flop, if you do call first bet just fold to push. You should be walking away from this game a big winner without the need to advertise anything.
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