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shrimp4789
Now before I continue, yes I have read the strat guide in the omaha forum, and i didnt post this in there because it seems its all for hand analysis....not much discussion in there about general strategy for omaha....so here i am lol

I have, like most people, started as a hold em player. I still very much am, but am starting to grow fond of the omaha tables. The 1 main thing i learned, is to pay very close attention to what the nuts are at all times, since at almost every street, the nuts change. So how do you actually make consistant money in omaha? One thing I have been struggling with, is when to raise......I like to play hands such as 5c6c7d8d or w/e, but say you get a hand like.....AdKhAs3h.....its not rainbow and you have a high pair....but what now? I know position etc all matters, but we are talking general here. I wish i could watch some footage like pokerstars does of replay tournaments so you can see what and when people raise with...........anyways, will go and reread that guide in the omaha forum again lol
meservery
I can't think of anything, so I'll just quote this guy.
QUOTE (navybuttons)
you make money in PLO by playing big pots in position w/ monster hands and monster re-draws.
checkymcfold
generally, if you find it difficult to read people postflop in plo, you should limp/reraise AA hands from ep preflop. it gives away your hand entirely, but it will save you money more often than not as you won't have to figure out where you stand postflop very often.

as you get better at the game, though, you will develop a good feel for what's up postflop and will be able to play hands like AAxx out of position profitably. when you start being able to do this, go ahead and pot it up preflop to apply pressure and achieve isolation if possible, even OOP. the navybuttons quote is largely correct, but very good plo players are more able to isolate and take more than their share of pots away from their opponents, and depending on stack sizes relative to pots, sometimes that's with a check/repot line on the flop OOP based on reads. if you are able to lessen the positional advantage of your opponents by consistently c/ring flops from OOP (which admittedly takes a lot of guts, and a lot of ability reading people and flop textures), you will be better than the vast majority of plo players out there.
navybuttons
QUOTE (checkymcfold @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 1:56 PM) *
very good plo players are more able to isolate and take more than their share of pots away from their opponents, and depending on stack sizes relative to pots, sometimes that's with a check/repot line on the flop OOP based on reads. if you are able to lessen the positional advantage of your opponents by consistently c/ring flops from OOP (which admittedly takes a lot of guts, and a lot of ability reading people and flop textures), you will be better than the vast majority of plo players out there.


to someone who understand's the game you are correct.

OP: you asked when to raise preflop, the simple answer is most of the time it is to steal the button (assuming decent stacks around the table).

if there aren't decent stacks (either yours or villains) then raise w/ a strong hand you want to get it in preflop with so that you can give villain such bad current odds and implied odds (assuming you shove flop no matter what) that it makes calling your pf raise incorrect.

i will also raise to build a pot on the button, but before you start trying to build pots w/ garbage make sure you are awesome at pot control.

watch the nosebleed limits on FTP, watch how often someone raises out of the SB or BB compared to the Button.

i watched a bit of a stinger PLO video at cardrunners and he talked about when he raises and honestly, i feel he does it WAY too liberally OOP.
shrimp4789
Hmm ok, well thanks for the feedback.....so far im playing micros...no point in playing for tons of money with no clue as to how to play the game!

lol, but so far here are some things ive noticed...please comment if im way off, or if theres more to what i see than i realise...

- flop has 2 suited cards.....and I dont have 2 of the same suit in hand.....be extremely wary....as i find its much easier to make a flush in omaha than HE.
- nuts change almost every street
- almost never play rainbow hands......

The one thing i really do love about omaha, and i dont know if its because people at my level have absolutely no idea what they are doing or if its just the game (or both), but pots seem to build extremely quickly, and quite large.....and its quite cheap to get into them as well......so seems quite easy thus to make money...i dunno lol
BudBundy
Listen to the people above. They all know what they are talking about. Post hands.

Also as you play you will notice calling raises in position is very very profitable. They will mostly c-bet flop and hand the pot to you on turn.

Don't play not nut flushes and straights.

As Smash would say ; Fold SB , Fold BB if raised , Fold UTG. Most of the time 8765 in position is more profitable AAxx OOP.

That's all i can think of now.

Just post hands.

Don't leave me as the only donk at Omaha strategy forum lol
navybuttons
QUOTE (shrimp4789 @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 3:40 PM) *
- flop has 2 suited cards.....and I dont have 2 of the same suit in hand WITH THE NUT DRAW.....be extremely wary....as W/ 4 CARDS MORE PEOPLE SHOW UP W/ flushes more often in omaha than HE.
- nuts change almost every street
- almost never play OUT OF POSITION


1. make nuts hands
2. play in position (this is so you get value as much as anything)
3. profit
shrimp4789
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 12:10 AM) *
Don't leave me as the only donk at Omaha strategy forum lol



LOL im the one playing the micros remember tongue.gif.....and from what I see your doing alright, but then again also been at it longer than I have lol
shrimp4789
ah and didnt even noticed you fixed my post navy lol, ty yes makes sense........now does chasing the nut flush/str8 change when going short handed? can you get away with chasing the 2nd and 3rd nuts?
navybuttons
QUOTE (shrimp4789 @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 4:50 PM) *
ah and didnt even noticed you fixed my post navy lol, ty yes makes sense........now does chasing the nut flush/str8 change when going short handed? can you get away with chasing the 2nd and 3rd nuts?


situational.

examples from hands tonight:

flop: 67Q w/ 2 daimonds, i had 68910 no daimonds on the button. guy bets i smooth call.

turn: K non diamond and he leads pot again. now i'm just positive he has a set and i took my chances to catch a straight card. if it came 9 of diamonds and he leads big then i obviously can get away from it. if it comes 9d and he checks, my value is minimized but i still have some. with this player, i knew i couldn't bluff the diamond which meant that i knew he would make at least a small lead on a non-diamond river and would probably call a big bet if i made it.

river: offsuit 9, ship the stack to navy.

example 2:

flop: J95 w/ two spades. i have KQssXX, he checks, i pot, he calls, turn 4, he checks, i check. river 2 spades. now he leads out.
there's 3 hands he can have; air, ace flush, 10 flush. i made my play based on which of those three i thought he was most likely to have.

so to answer, you can get away w/ it when you know your opponent, when you get sick at defining his range (ask checky about this), you're great at controlling pot size, and you know how to value bet well.

i always say this but here it goes, play 100 HU SNGs, raise every button and fold every BB, you'll just see that position and playing your opponent is 10x more important than your cards. you'll get sick at going "...okay... this is where i need to take a free card".
simo_8ball
QUOTE (navybuttons @ Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 12:11 AM) *
1. make nuts hands
2. play in position (this is so you get value as much as anything)
3. profit

QFT.

Sounds so easy, doesn't it?
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