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rdtedm
Another hand from my daily 1/2 game:

Not too much information on either player. SB plays tight and overplays pocket pairs, never wanting to see flops.
UTG+2 is a fairly loose player, chip leader.

Hero ($350)
UTG+2 ($~500)
SB ($270)

Small Blind, Big Blind post
Hero is UTG with Ac Kc
Hero raises to $10
UTG+1 folds
UTG+2 calls
folds to SB
SB re-raises to $25
Hero calls
UTG+2 Calls

3-way flop ($77 pot total)

Ad Kd 4c
SB bets $60

Hero: ??

I want to push here but I'm afraid SB is protecting his monster against a flush draw. I'm getting over 2:1 to call but also have UTG+2 to worry about. Only read is that UTG+2 has something because he becomes silent and stairs at the SB. Not too sure on my reads. I'm in a position where I'm either golden or in terrible shape. Almost wish I would have folded this pre-flop.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 7:54 AM) *
I want to push here but I'm afraid SB is protecting his monster against a flush draw.


His monster as opposed to your monster? What are you worried about?

If someone has you beat here, you're not gonna get away from it anyway. I say that you make it $150 to go. If the SB has a hand like AQ, he might play for all of his chips. Either way, you wanna put a little pressure on the other guy and build a pot since you're NOT CONSIDERING FOLDING, which you kind of hinted towards in your OP.
rdtedm
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 9:02 AM) *
His monster as opposed to your monster? What are you worried about?

If someone has you beat here, you're not gonna get away from it anyway. I say that you make it $150 to go. If the SB has a hand like AQ, he might play for all of his chips. Either way, you wanna put a little pressure on the other guy and build a pot since you're NOT CONSIDERING FOLDING, which you kind of hinted towards in your OP.


Well, of course I'm worried about AA/KK here, as it would make sense for the SB to play it this way. I know there's hands that are just meant so you can ship off your stack becausae you hit the flop but villain hits harder (A5 vs 99 on 955 board), and from your post, I gather this might just be one of them?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 8:09 AM) *
Well, of course I'm worried about AA/KK here, as it would make sense for the SB to play it this way. I know there's hands that are just meant so you can ship off your stack becausae you hit the flop but villain hits harder (A5 vs 99 on 955 board), and from your post, I gather this might just be one of them?


I know what hands beat you, but I am saying that it doesn't matter. Your goal is to get it all-in on this flop. If you're beat, oh well. Reloading time.
Naismith
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 8:12 AM) *
I know what hands beat you, but I am saying that it doesn't matter. Your goal is to get it all-in on this flop. If you're beat, oh well. Reloading time.


Just to clarify, you're not going broke here 100 percent of the time when beat, correct? You'd fold with a good enough read on a specific player?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Naismith @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 8:17 AM) *
Just to clarify, you're not going broke here 100 percent of the time when beat, correct? You'd fold with a good enough read on a specific player?


Are you kidding? I wouldn't even call the first bet. I'd break my wrist mucking face up, out of turn, to let him know what an awesome read I have on him. closedeyes.gif
rdtedm
Would calling here be a correct option? If I raise here I'm pot commited, and if I call I still have UTG+2 to worry about. Raising is scary, the way SB is playing his hand. What's the general consensus on the best move? Push?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 10:08 AM) *
Would calling here be a correct option? If I raise here I'm pot commited, and if I call I still have UTG+2 to worry about. Raising is scary, the way SB is playing his hand. What's the general consensus on the best move? Push?


Dude, if you're gonna play AK, you're looking for the exact flop that you hit. You make a small raise and hope to get the SB to put all of his chips into the pot. If he has you beat, then you're gonna get stacked.

There are 2 combinations of AK that he can have and one combination of AA and one of KK. If those are the only 3 possibilities, then it's equally likely that you have the same hand as it is that he's beating you. He could also have AQ, or be making a last attempt to take the pot with a hand like QQ or JJ. The thing is, what he has doesn't really matter anymore. Your hand is too strong to fold here IMO. You called preflop to hit a flop, which you did. Don't be scared. Get some chips in there.

As for UTG+2, if he wants to come along, that's fine. I'd still advocate making a small raise to like $150, just to get the pot a little bigger.
rdtedm
I did almost that, making the min re-raise to $120. UTG+2 folded, and SB called. River was 9c, and SB pushed. I called and beat his AA on the river with another club.

Just wanted to post this hand because I've run into troubles where you flop a monster but are drastically behind, and usually these are hands you're just going to pay off villain - which I guess is where the replies led to anyways.

With a good read on villain, can anyone make this laydown however?
CrazyJoe
wow, results oriented thinking indeed, i had a feeling that the villain ended up showing down AA as soon as i read the OP, try to get away from that, as Acid Knight said, these are the situations you are looking for
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 10:54 AM) *
With a good read on villain, can anyone make this laydown however?


There's no laydown to be made. If there are no flush draws, I'll consider just calling the villain down if I'm sure that the minimum hand that he has is AK in the spot. There is no shame in getting stacked in this spot. Honestly, if you're not getting stacked, you've probably misplayed the hand since all of your chips didn't get into the middle of the pot.

The funny thing is that I noticed that you had a backdoor club draw on the flop and I was like, well, on the off chance that he is up against a set, he can still backdoor a flush.
rdtedm
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 12:41 PM) *
The funny thing is that I noticed that you had a backdoor club draw on the flop and I was like, well, on the off chance that he is up against a set, he can still backdoor a flush.


One of the reasons I wanted to see a turn before I put my chips in, and one of the main reasons i almost favored a smooth call. I ended up raising because I didn't want UTG+2 in with a possible flush draw. I knew I was ahead of UTG+2 at the point, and wanted to be heads up with SB.
David_Nicoson
QUOTE (rdtedm @ Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 10:54 AM) *
Another hand from my daily 1/2 game:

Not too much information on either player. SB plays tight and overplays pocket pairs, never wanting to see flops.
UTG+2 is a fairly loose player, chip leader.

Hero ($350)
UTG+2 ($~500)
SB ($270)

Small Blind, Big Blind post
Hero is UTG with Ac Kc
Hero raises to $10
UTG+1 folds
UTG+2 calls
folds to SB
SB re-raises to $25

I think I know this player's algorithm for preflop bet sizing. As they say, "The smaller the pair, the bigger the raise. " I love playing guys like this.
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