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husker_du
Okay, this is only a made up hand rather than one I've actually played. I'm just curious to see what hand people would put the villain on. I'll explain my reason for asking after I've (hopefully) received a few replies.

10 player sit'n'go and it's early on and everyone's chip stacks are about even

Hero raises to 3*bb from an early position with card_hearts_q.gif card_hearts_a.gif
Villain is next to act and calls
The rest of the table folds

Flop comes

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Hero bets the pot and villain calls

The turn is

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Hero bets 2/3 the pot and villain calls

The river is

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Hero bets half the pot and villain goes all in



What hand would you have the villain on here?
RhinestoneCowboy
He had 34clubs and took your imaginary stack.
Acid_Knight
If you're gonna post imaginary hands, post hands where you actually give people information to solve the problem.

We know nothing about the villain, nothing about your image at the table, nothing about anything. You can't get serious answers becasue you gave no information.

That being said, the villain has a set of 5s and you're screwed.
Naismith
Well, most likely slowplayed one of three hands, two of which you beat. AK, two pair, set.

You forgot to tell people about the villain in this scenario, though, so let's give him a little back story.

The villain used to be the assistant VP of fairly lucrative company. He had it all. He lived in a beautiful New York apartment with a gorgeous wife. They were expecting twins. He wanted to name them Maya and Sarah (after his grandmother). She wanted to name them Kelly and Sara (she didn't like the useless "h"). These are the kinds of things they argued about. Not heated arguments...cute, lovey, playful disagreements..

One day, the villain started playing free money poker on one of the .net sites. He really enjoyed watching it and thought it'd be a fun little hobby to keep himself entertained during those boring stretches at work.

After a few months, he had established himself as one of the premier play money players on his particular website. He won a freeroll for 15 dollars and soon experienced the thrill and rush of playing for something substantial. And sure, he lost that 15 that first day, but he learned a valuable lesson about bankroll management. He devoured books on the subject, despite his wife's obvious disdain for the "sport". Soon, he found himself exploring his options in regards to putting real money on the site. He knew his wife would never okay such an idea, so he gave a co-worker some cash to transfer money into his account. No paper trail!

Our villain -- no, wait...we have become too attached to call him a villain anymore; he is now our beloved dreamer -- our dreamer ran that measly hundred dollars up pretty quickly. Yes, he was experiencing the positive side of variance and he knew that, but he still took pleasure in the process of making good decisions and practicing responsible game selection. He developed a tight-aggressive style and had many tricks in his bag. He could shift gears and adapt to the table. Soon after, our dreamer made his first big score.

He routinely saw those 50 dollar MTT pop up but never bought into one. As fate would have it, the boss was out of town and our dreamer was locked in his office with no work to do and nothing on the schedule. He clicked the register button and cruised to a dominating victory. What a rush! His roll had increased to the mid-four figures. Our dreamer was starting to dream. He knew he had much to learn, but he felt he had a natural ability and he loved this game.

Soon the lies started coming. He would tell his wife he had to work late and stayed at the office 12-tabling .25-.50 NL. Winning session after winning session! Our dreamer speculated that if he could get the roll, he could move up to levels that would make his own job unnecessary. He could soon be a poker pro! Dreams of the Mayfair Club danced through his head. Maybe one day, he could be one of the many greats that had originated in New York!

Meanwhile, his wife became suspicious. She thought her husband might be cheating on her. She hired a private detective to snoop around. Each night he reported that her husband stayed late at the office and then came straight home. In the opinion of this private eye, her husband was loyal and she needn't be suspicious. Still, her paranoia lead her down the path of anger and, soon, revenge.

Certain her husband was having an affair, she seduced his best friend and had a night of passion that would go on to eventually destroy multiple lives, friendships and futures. Our dreamer developed a drinking problem and soon, the powder. On this fateful day, our now unemployed dreamer stumbled home to his empty and loveless apartment, sleepless for four days, smelling of booze and hooker.

He hadn't played poker in a month. He blamed the sport he loved for the loss of everything; his best friend, his wife, his job. He had an epiphany. Or a hallucination. He realized that poker was either his demon or his angel and tonight he'd find out. He'd put it all on the line in the biggest sit & go he could find. If he won, he would follow down this path. If he lost, he would end it all.

Now...what does the "villain" have?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Naismith @ Monday, February 26th, 2007, 8:06 AM) *
Well, most likely slowplayed one of three hands, two of which you beat. AK, two pair, set.

You forgot to tell people about the villain in this scenario, though, so let's give him a little back story.

The villain used to be the assistant VP of fairly lucrative company. He had it all. He lived in a beautiful New York apartment with a gorgeous wife. They were expecting twins. He wanted to name them Maya and Sarah (after his grandmother). She wanted to name them Kelly and Sara (she didn't like the useless "h"). These are the kinds of things they argued about. Not heated arguments...cute, lovey, playful disagreements..

One day, the villain started playing free money poker on one of the .net sites. He really enjoyed watching it and thought it'd be a fun little hobby to keep himself entertained during those boring stretches at work.

After a few months, he had established himself as one of the premier play money players on his particular website. He won a freeroll for 15 dollars and soon experienced the thrill and rush of playing for something substantial. And sure, he lost that 15 that first day, but he learned a valuable lesson about bankroll management. He devoured books on the subject, despite his wife's obvious disdain for the "sport". Soon, he found himself exploring his options in regards to putting real money on the site. He knew his wife would never okay such an idea, so he gave a co-worker some cash to transfer money into his account. No paper trail!

Our villain -- no, wait...we have become too attached to call him a villain anymore; he is now our beloved dreamer -- our dreamer ran that measly hundred dollars up pretty quickly. Yes, he was experiencing the positive side of variance and he knew that, but he still took pleasure in the process of making good decisions and practicing responsible game selection. He developed a tight-aggressive style and had many tricks in his bag. He could shift gears and adapt to the table. Soon after, our dreamer made his first big score.

He routinely saw those 50 dollar MTT pop up but never bought into one. As fate would have it, the boss was out of town and our dreamer was locked in his office with no work to do and nothing on the schedule. He clicked the register button and cruised to a dominating victory. What a rush! His roll had increased to the mid-four figures. Our dreamer was starting to dream. He knew he had much to learn, but he felt he had a natural ability and he loved this game.

Soon the lies started coming. He would tell his wife he had to work late and stayed at the office 12-tabling .25-.50 NL. Winning session after winning session! Our dreamer speculated that if he could get the roll, he could move up to levels that would make his own job unnecessary. He could soon be a poker pro! Dreams of the Mayfair Club danced through his head. Maybe one day, he could be one of the many greats that had originated in New York!

Meanwhile, his wife became suspicious. She thought her husband might be cheating on her. She hired a private detective to snoop around. Each night he reported that her husband stayed late at the office and then came straight home. In the opinion of this private eye, her husband was loyal and she needn't be suspicious. Still, her paranoia lead her down the path of anger and, soon, revenge.

Certain her husband was having an affair, she seduced his best friend and had a night of passion that would go on to eventually destroy multiple lives, friendships and futures. Our dreamer developed a drinking problem and soon, the powder. On this fateful day, our now unemployed dreamer stumbled home to his empty and loveless apartment, sleepless for four days, smelling of booze and hooker.

He hadn't played poker in a month. He blamed the sport he loved for the loss of everything; his best friend, his wife, his job. He had an epiphany. Or a hallucination. He realized that poker was either his demon or his angel and tonight he'd find out. He'd put it all on the line in the biggest sit & go he could find. If he won, he would follow down this path. If he lost, he would end it all.

Now...what does the "villain" have?


I started reading this (and will finish shortly) but I thought I'd let you know that short posts count towards your 1000 just like the longer ones do. Just in case you didn't know...
Acid_Knight
That's the kind of information that should be included about every Hero, Villain or person of interest in every single hand posted in this strat forum.

Bravo Jay. Bravo.
husker_du
I was kinda working on the assuption that it was early in the game so there was no real read on the villain. Looking back I've just realised I put a possible straight on the board but that was unintentiona.

Basically I was looking to see how many people would say a set (I was thinking specifically a set of 6's). I seem to have trouble running into sets and not see them coming and it's a weakness in my game. Obviously I can see a flush or a straight (apart from the one I just posted above icon_confused.gif ) and I've got a relatively good idea when it's 2 pairs but I always seem to fail to spot a set. Any advice regarding this?
Naismith
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, February 26th, 2007, 8:47 AM) *
That's the kind of information that should be included about every Hero, Villain or person of interest in every single hand posted in this strat forum.

Bravo Jay. Bravo.


LOL.

"The player UTG, he was raised in a strict Catholic family, the son of a hard working father...blah blah blah ten paragraphs blah blah blah...okay, first to act, he folded. Next up was UTG +1..."
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Naismith @ Monday, February 26th, 2007, 9:15 AM) *
LOL.

"The player UTG, he was raised in a strict Catholic family, the son of a hard working father...blah blah blah ten paragraphs blah blah blah...okay, first to act, he folded. Next up was UTG +1..."


Well, technically, if he folds preflop he's not a person of interest in the pot. Too much information is better than no information however. smile.gif
trystero
QUOTE (husker_du @ Monday, February 26th, 2007, 12:04 PM) *
I seem to have trouble running into sets and not see them coming and it's a weakness in my game. Obviously I can see a flush or a straight (apart from the one I just posted above icon_confused.gif ) and I've got a relatively good idea when it's 2 pairs but I always seem to fail to spot a set. Any advice regarding this?


Yeah, don't play SNGs. In order to get away from hands you have to be deep enough to do so, and in SNGs you simply aren't. Hell it's hard enough as it is to fold TPTK never mind top two as you had here.
Snamuh
Villain has 66 or 22 here. QQ makes some sense as well but is more unlikely. I can't see 2 pair, AA or 55 being played this way unless there's something with your image that the villain is taking advantage of that you did not mention.
dms26
QUOTE (husker_du @ Monday, February 26th, 2007, 12:04 PM) *
Basically I was looking to see how many people would say a set (I was thinking specifically a set of 6's). I seem to have trouble running into sets and not see them coming and it's a weakness in my game. Obviously I can see a flush or a straight (apart from the one I just posted above icon_confused.gif ) and I've got a relatively good idea when it's 2 pairs but I always seem to fail to spot a set. Any advice regarding this?


It's not easy to put someone on a set, especially when you have top 2. That's just a situation where you're going broke. With the amount of money in the pot by the river, it's an auto-call. 2 pair and sometimes an overplayed ace are going to play this hand similarly, it's just a bit of bad luck if you have been running into sets lately. IMO I wouldn't really call this a leak, more of a cold deck.
meservery
QUOTE (Naismith @ Monday, February 26th, 2007, 11:06 AM) *
Well, most likely slowplayed one of three hands, two of which you beat. AK, two pair, set.

You forgot to tell people about the villain in this scenario, though, so let's give him a little back story.

The villain used to be the assistant VP of fairly lucrative company. He had it all. He lived in a beautiful New York apartment with a gorgeous wife. They were expecting twins. He wanted to name them Maya and Sarah (after his grandmother). She wanted to name them Kelly and Sara (she didn't like the useless "h"). These are the kinds of things they argued about. Not heated arguments...cute, lovey, playful disagreements..

One day, the villain started playing free money poker on one of the .net sites. He really enjoyed watching it and thought it'd be a fun little hobby to keep himself entertained during those boring stretches at work.

After a few months, he had established himself as one of the premier play money players on his particular website. He won a freeroll for 15 dollars and soon experienced the thrill and rush of playing for something substantial. And sure, he lost that 15 that first day, but he learned a valuable lesson about bankroll management. He devoured books on the subject, despite his wife's obvious disdain for the "sport". Soon, he found himself exploring his options in regards to putting real money on the site. He knew his wife would never okay such an idea, so he gave a co-worker some cash to transfer money into his account. No paper trail!

Our villain -- no, wait...we have become too attached to call him a villain anymore; he is now our beloved dreamer -- our dreamer ran that measly hundred dollars up pretty quickly. Yes, he was experiencing the positive side of variance and he knew that, but he still took pleasure in the process of making good decisions and practicing responsible game selection. He developed a tight-aggressive style and had many tricks in his bag. He could shift gears and adapt to the table. Soon after, our dreamer made his first big score.

He routinely saw those 50 dollar MTT pop up but never bought into one. As fate would have it, the boss was out of town and our dreamer was locked in his office with no work to do and nothing on the schedule. He clicked the register button and cruised to a dominating victory. What a rush! His roll had increased to the mid-four figures. Our dreamer was starting to dream. He knew he had much to learn, but he felt he had a natural ability and he loved this game.

Soon the lies started coming. He would tell his wife he had to work late and stayed at the office 12-tabling .25-.50 NL. Winning session after winning session! Our dreamer speculated that if he could get the roll, he could move up to levels that would make his own job unnecessary. He could soon be a poker pro! Dreams of the Mayfair Club danced through his head. Maybe one day, he could be one of the many greats that had originated in New York!

Meanwhile, his wife became suspicious. She thought her husband might be cheating on her. She hired a private detective to snoop around. Each night he reported that her husband stayed late at the office and then came straight home. In the opinion of this private eye, her husband was loyal and she needn't be suspicious. Still, her paranoia lead her down the path of anger and, soon, revenge.

Certain her husband was having an affair, she seduced his best friend and had a night of passion that would go on to eventually destroy multiple lives, friendships and futures. Our dreamer developed a drinking problem and soon, the powder. On this fateful day, our now unemployed dreamer stumbled home to his empty and loveless apartment, sleepless for four days, smelling of booze and hooker.

He hadn't played poker in a month. He blamed the sport he loved for the loss of everything; his best friend, his wife, his job. He had an epiphany. Or a hallucination. He realized that poker was either his demon or his angel and tonight he'd find out. He'd put it all on the line in the biggest sit & go he could find. If he won, he would follow down this path. If he lost, he would end it all.

Now...what does the "villain" have?

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