.25/.50 NL

Standard I dont have the Hand History from the FCP poker room.

9 handed table.

4-5 limpers to me on the button with K 7

I call.

SB/BB, complete/check

Flop: A T 3

Pot is like $2.50

SB leads for 1.70 (20ish behind)
Folds to MP who makes it 3.40 (50ish behind)
LP makes is 6.80 (20ish behind)
ME SHOVES $50.50!

With all that action in front of me, I figured I couldnt call cause it would prolly get re-raised by the SB or MP, so I figured what the hell and put the decision on everyone else but me...

It's certainly not the worst shove ever, but I think you have to consider that the chance of a successful bluff here is pretty low.

I agree.

Your fold equity is small and to make matters worse, I'd guess that one of the 3 players who stabbed at the pot might have a flush draw.

I think this hand should definitely be folded.

At least you're drawing to the nuts...

Fold PF

If I can get into a 6-7 way limped pot on the button with K7s I would every time.

I tend to agree here. If I can easily fold 1 pair and the players are fairly predictable, limping in with a suited king is nothing out of the ordinary here. It's not like I'm gonna flop a pair of 7s and go broke.

Sure, if the 7 isn't the biggest card on the flop. But what if it's a 7-high flop, though. How're you going to get away from that!!!?!

Damn. Didn't even think of that. Now I gotta go rethink my whole position.

It sucks becuase just when you think you got things together, a better player comes along and shoots your game all full of holes.

This isn't a BAD play... It's the nut flush semi-bluff and you are probably going to get one caller, the pot is getting up there, but it's not the best play.

Yeah, cause you'd have the second nut top pair. Saying you could fold that is the exact same thing as saying you could fold the second nut flush if it came all hearts.

Will you post 8 more times and get this over with. The suspense is killing me.

It is a BAD play because the pot isn't really that big yet and 3 people have already made a move at the pot on the flop. The last one already bet enough, knowing he's the 2nd raiser on the flop, that he's not going to fold.

You can't semi-bluff where you have no fold equity. Well, I mean, you can, but it will never work and you might as well be calling all-in on a draw.

meh. my normal play would be to raise between 3 and 4. folding is for quitters.

No no I agree with the fact someone WILL call him, but the pot has about 10$ in it, again, you're right not that bad. But personally. I think at ABSOLUTE WORST here, which would be bad is he's against a set. It's very possible someone limped with bottom set here. But I still prefer him going all in to CALLING down on a draw.

Both plays not GREAT, but... it's not the worst.

If he's against A2 or a set of tens, his outs are virtually unchanged. The only thing that happens when he's against a set is he loses an out (the flush card that pairs the board) and he can't backdoor 2 pair or trips to win.

My point being that if he's against Ax it's just about the same as being against a set. If he knows he's getting called, pushing is bad. The idea of pushing a draw is that people might fold. If nobody is going to fold, you really need to work backwards in your head, calculate the pot odds that you'd get if you called all-in (essentially what will happen) and see if the odds are there for you to make the "call." If they're not there, you fold. If they are there, then go ahead, push and gamble it up.

If you shove, bottom set might consider folding. Just saying...



I agree with the masses, clear fold here.

Mark

Is it a leak that I wanted to shove to teach the min raise followed by another min raise a lesson?

I'll give you 2 guesses. You'll only need one.

I'm not sure putting your stack in as a dog is going to have the effect you're looking for.

How do you know he's a dog? Have you seen their hands? The man has King HIGH! He's beating a TON of hands...

One thing you forget to mention... No retard in their right mind, I don't care WHAT level it is, will not call a re-re-re-reraise with top pair. NEVER, maybe MAYBE AK, but anything else, I'd let go.

People can surprise you. Never say never.