See, I don't know. I don't consider myself a tough guy, but I really dont think that I'd fight Kimbo for $126k. I mean, cash on the table, time to train, etc, it sounds good, but if there was a stipulation where you couldn't pull a Bo Cantrell and have to take your beating like a man, I'm not sure. Hell, I could use the extra scratch, but how much of that would I have to use to put my nose back on the front of my face?
I'd rather face a submission guy because you don't take the pounding you would from a straight up brawler like him. He tries to take your fcking head off.
Screw it, I guess I would and hope he doesn't kill me.
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I watched the Kimbo fight. He is what appears to be a great striker.
I wonder how he would fair against a guy like Houston Alexander or Cieck Congo (sp), etc.
I also have to wonder what kind of ground game Kimbo has. Eventually if he continues his winning ways he will make his way to the UFC. That is a given. Dana White really does want to see the best fighting the best.
I wonder how he would fair against a guy like Houston Alexander or Cieck Congo (sp), etc.
I also have to wonder what kind of ground game Kimbo has. Eventually if he continues his winning ways he will make his way to the UFC. That is a given. Dana White really does want to see the best fighting the best.
Say what you want about the steroid accusations, but WOW this is some seriously impressive training:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...legendado_sport
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...legendado_sport
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Thursday, February 21st, 2008, 6:33 PM) 
See, I don't know. I don't consider myself a tough guy, but I really dont think that I'd fight Kimbo for $126k. I mean, cash on the table, time to train, etc, it sounds good, but if there was a stipulation where you couldn't pull a Bo Cantrell and have to take your beating like a man, I'm not sure. Hell, I could use the extra scratch, but how much of that would I have to use to put my nose back on the front of my face?
I'd rather face a submission guy because you don't take the pounding you would from a straight up brawler like him. He tries to take your fcking head off.
Screw it, I guess I would and hope he doesn't kill me.
I'd rather face a submission guy because you don't take the pounding you would from a straight up brawler like him. He tries to take your fcking head off.
Screw it, I guess I would and hope he doesn't kill me.
Didn't you see that guy submit to him on punches? Just cover your head, take a jab, fall on your face and start tapping like the guy in his first fight.
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 6:42 AM)
I wonder how he would fair against a guy like Houston Alexander or Cieck Congo (sp), etc.
Right now I've been calling Kimbo, Houston Alexander 2.0 since we have no idea if he has a well rounded game or not. Just a few impressive stand up brawls.
A fight between those two would be interesting.
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Saturday, February 16th, 2008, 11:34 PM)
Best KO I have seen in a while from tonights EliteXC card, the knee Edwards launched during the takedown attempt... it was just brutal.
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 10:25 AM)
Didn't you see that guy submit to him on punches? Just cover your head, take a jab, fall on your face and start tapping like the guy in his first fight.
No, I'm saying, in order to get paid, you can't tap out due to strikes. You have to win, or get knocked out.
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 4:25 PM)
knee knockout
Berto, the guy that got knocked out, had a single, then just stayed there way too long, like he was trying to set up something, or catch his breath. The knee seemed like a logical move.
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 7:59 PM)
Berto, the guy that got knocked out, had a single, then just stayed there way too long, like he was trying to set up something, or catch his breath. The knee seemed like a logical move.
He said he tried it because there was only a few second left in the round and he figured it was going to land or he gets taken down for 3-4 seconds.
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 9:01 PM)
He said he tried it because there was only a few second left in the round and he figured it was going to land or he gets taken down for 3-4 seconds.
Yeah, but I'm just saying the moron left his head down, and in one place for what seemed to be, over 5 seconds. I'da knee'd him too.
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 2:27 PM)
Right now I've been calling Kimbo, Houston Alexander 2.0 since we have no idea if he has a well rounded game or not. Just a few impressive stand up brawls against dudes that have no shot.
A fight between those two would be interesting.
A fight between those two would be interesting.
FYP
At least Houston beat some legit opponents.
QUOTE (HoosierAlum @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 6:56 AM)
Say what you want about the steroid accusations, but WOW this is some seriously impressive training:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...legendado_sport
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...legendado_sport
I hope BJ breaks his arm.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 8:56 PM)
FYP
At least Houston beat some legit opponents.
At least Houston beat some legit opponents.
I'd bet Jardine would kill him in a rematch now that he knows how weak Alexanders ground game is. He got caught off guard and he still almost knocked Alexander out first before he went apeshit.
Right now Kimbo is just Alexander with more hype.
QUOTE (HoosierAlum @ Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 9:56 AM)
Say what you want about the steroid accusations, but WOW this is some seriously impressive training:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...legendado_sport
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...legendado_sport
that's just sick.
Tonight, on HDNet, Bob Sapp is fighting. I've never seen him fight so it should be entertaining, if nothing else. That guy is comiing in at 363 and looks a little ripped. Sick. It's free and in HD, so screw it, I'll watch.
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Saturday, February 23rd, 2008, 5:46 PM)
that's just sick.
Tonight, on HDNet, Bob Sapp is fighting. I've never seen him fight so it should be entertaining, if nothing else. That guy is comiing in at 363 and looks a little ripped. Sick. It's free and in HD, so screw it, I'll watch.
Tonight, on HDNet, Bob Sapp is fighting. I've never seen him fight so it should be entertaining, if nothing else. That guy is comiing in at 363 and looks a little ripped. Sick. It's free and in HD, so screw it, I'll watch.
I heard Randy is signing with them soon, and they're having him fight Fedor late this year. WEEE!
and about the video, thats a very similar training routine that Lesnar does, and the farm boy from TUF. They both lost. That said Sherk is a lot more talented than those two, and BJ might not train at all. I still see BJ winning this fight standing and on the ground. The only way I see Sherk winning is by ground and pounding the shit out of BJ, and/or BJ gassing in the later rounds.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Saturday, February 23rd, 2008, 1:57 PM)
I heard Randy is signing with them soon, and they're having him fight Fedor late this year. WEEE!
That's what the lawsuit going on now is about.
They have agreed to a deal with RC and are trying to find out exactly when his no compete clause is over so they can set up the fight with Fedor.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Saturday, February 23rd, 2008, 2:57 PM)
I heard Randy is signing with them soon, and they're having him fight Fedor late this year. WEEE!
and about the video, thats a very similar training routine that Lesnar does, and the farm boy from TUF. They both lost. That said Sherk is a lot more talented than those two, and BJ might not train at all. I still see BJ winning this fight standing and on the ground. The only way I see Sherk winning is by ground and pounding the shit out of BJ, and/or BJ gassing in the later rounds.
and about the video, thats a very similar training routine that Lesnar does, and the farm boy from TUF. They both lost. That said Sherk is a lot more talented than those two, and BJ might not train at all. I still see BJ winning this fight standing and on the ground. The only way I see Sherk winning is by ground and pounding the shit out of BJ, and/or BJ gassing in the later rounds.
Yeah, there is a bunch of legal stuff to iron out before he can fight, but it's a step in the right direction. It's also good to have a billionaire with an urge to press on in your corner.
I didn't see Sherk doing any BJJ training. Just a ton of cardio, standup, takedowns, grappling, etc. I really believe that you need to be very proficient in BJJ to be at the highest levels of the sport. Maybe I'm wrong. It just seems to be where the sport is headed.
Upon second thought, maybe it's just my preference. I think when fighting a black belt in BJJ, you have less room for error than you do when fighting a wrestler or striker.
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Saturday, February 23rd, 2008, 6:04 AM)
I'd bet Jardine would kill him in a rematch now that he knows how weak Alexanders ground game is. He got caught off guard and he still almost knocked Alexander out first before he went apeshit.
Right now Kimbo is just Alexander with more hype.
Right now Kimbo is just Alexander with more hype.
I think Bas will get Kimbo's ground game in order with time. In the mean time they should just keep shipping him brawlers like tank.
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Thursday, February 21st, 2008, 3:14 PM)
MMA fighters get paid shit compared to boxing which blows my mind. I'd step into a ring with Kimbo for 126k though, even if it meant getting knocked the **** out.
have you seen what most boxers get paid, outside of the guys for the big cards boxers get paid jack shit too
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Saturday, February 23rd, 2008, 12:46 PM)
that's just sick.
Tonight, on HDNet, Bob Sapp is fighting. I've never seen him fight so it should be entertaining, if nothing else. That guy is comiing in at 363 and looks a little ripped. Sick. It's free and in HD, so screw it, I'll watch.
Tonight, on HDNet, Bob Sapp is fighting. I've never seen him fight so it should be entertaining, if nothing else. That guy is comiing in at 363 and looks a little ripped. Sick. It's free and in HD, so screw it, I'll watch.
bob sapp is decent, and solid for a guy his size. He's more of a freak show type act and should be doing pro wrestling instead
All I want to know is who the hell that chick is in Chris' avatar...links??
I watched the abomination that was Sapp vs Nortje, are there any other fights from the card worth watching?
As for Sherk vs Penn
BJ obviously has the advantage standing and in BJJ but I think Sherk can certainly win. History has shown that BJ WILL gas out, if Sherk can take Penn down and do his thing he'll come off on top.
As for Sherk vs Penn
BJ obviously has the advantage standing and in BJJ but I think Sherk can certainly win. History has shown that BJ WILL gas out, if Sherk can take Penn down and do his thing he'll come off on top.
I tivo'd that stupid HDNet fight, 3 hours worth, and they just kept trotting out guys with no gas or ground game, one after the other, there musta been 6 fights on the card during the 3 hours I watched, and to the best of my recollection, because I started watching in fast forward, most all went the distance or didn't get finished until the third round. Then, at the three hour mark, the were introducing another fight, and I never got to see the Sapp fight. So weak.
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Monday, February 25th, 2008, 10:45 AM)
Then, at the three hour mark, the were introducing another fight, and I never got to see the Sapp fight. So weak.
You didn't miss much, it was a terrible fight.
bdc, if you're talking about the girl in my avatar it is hardcore pornstar Tera Patrick.
QUOTE (Chris E @ Sunday, February 24th, 2008, 8:23 PM)
You didn't miss much, it was a terrible fight.
bdc, if you're talking about the girl in my avatar it is hardcore pornstar Tera Patrick.
bdc, if you're talking about the girl in my avatar it is hardcore pornstar Tera Patrick.
well thanks for mentioning who won
ZOMG VEGAS IN MAY IM SOOOO THERE!
UFC 84:
* Sean Sherk vs. BJ Penn
Lightweight Championship Bout
* Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva
* Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
* Jeremy Stephens vs. Terry Etim
* Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry
* Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia
I cant wait to see the lines on this sick ass cards. as of now I would pick
* Sean Sherk vs. BJ Penn for anything -140 or better, I hope he can come in as a dog tho
* Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva ummmm I dunno? Keith seems to have trouble vs dudes that chase him down and do better against guys that wait it out. I get the feeling Wandy comes in at +240 or so and I'm insta taking that
* Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida Machida probably wins this, but again I think again I think tito opens at +300 or something. However, people might pound the shit out of that line and Machida can get good odds at fight night? After watching him vs Soku I don't think Lyoto can lose vs someone as one dimensional as Tito at this point. I still like tito though, and kinda want to root for him.
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
Lol at Dana bitch slapping Tito in his last fight by having rashad fight the same card....I take thiago and I think he might even be a dog when the lines open
I don't know the next three but those prelim fights always have sick value, I can't wait though.
UFC 84:
* Sean Sherk vs. BJ Penn
Lightweight Championship Bout
* Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva
* Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
* Jeremy Stephens vs. Terry Etim
* Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry
* Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia
I cant wait to see the lines on this sick ass cards. as of now I would pick
* Sean Sherk vs. BJ Penn for anything -140 or better, I hope he can come in as a dog tho
* Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva ummmm I dunno? Keith seems to have trouble vs dudes that chase him down and do better against guys that wait it out. I get the feeling Wandy comes in at +240 or so and I'm insta taking that
* Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida Machida probably wins this, but again I think again I think tito opens at +300 or something. However, people might pound the shit out of that line and Machida can get good odds at fight night? After watching him vs Soku I don't think Lyoto can lose vs someone as one dimensional as Tito at this point. I still like tito though, and kinda want to root for him.
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
Lol at Dana bitch slapping Tito in his last fight by having rashad fight the same card....I take thiago and I think he might even be a dog when the lines open
I don't know the next three but those prelim fights always have sick value, I can't wait though.
Looks like a stacked card JC. If I can sell my house before May I might be there. I was wondering if Tito was ever gonna fight again.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Sunday, February 24th, 2008, 9:27 PM)
ZOMG VEGAS IN MAY IM SOOOO THERE!
UFC 84:
* Sean Sherk vs. BJ Penn
Lightweight Championship Bout
* Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva
* Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
* Jeremy Stephens vs. Terry Etim
* Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry
* Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia
I cant wait to see the lines on this sick ass cards. as of now I would pick
* Sean Sherk vs. BJ Penn for anything -140 or better, I hope he can come in as a dog tho
* Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva ummmm I dunno? Keith seems to have trouble vs dudes that chase him down and do better against guys that wait it out. I get the feeling Wandy comes in at +240 or so and I'm insta taking that
* Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida Machida probably wins this, but again I think again I think tito opens at +300 or something. However, people might pound the shit out of that line and Machida can get good odds at fight night? After watching him vs Soku I don't think Lyoto can lose vs someone as one dimensional as Tito at this point. I still like tito though, and kinda want to root for him.
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
Lol at Dana bitch slapping Tito in his last fight by having rashad fight the same card....I take thiago and I think he might even be a dog when the lines open
I don't know the next three but those prelim fights always have sick value, I can't wait though.
UFC 84:
* Sean Sherk vs. BJ Penn
Lightweight Championship Bout
* Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva
* Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
* Jeremy Stephens vs. Terry Etim
* Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry
* Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia
I cant wait to see the lines on this sick ass cards. as of now I would pick
* Sean Sherk vs. BJ Penn for anything -140 or better, I hope he can come in as a dog tho
* Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva ummmm I dunno? Keith seems to have trouble vs dudes that chase him down and do better against guys that wait it out. I get the feeling Wandy comes in at +240 or so and I'm insta taking that
* Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida Machida probably wins this, but again I think again I think tito opens at +300 or something. However, people might pound the shit out of that line and Machida can get good odds at fight night? After watching him vs Soku I don't think Lyoto can lose vs someone as one dimensional as Tito at this point. I still like tito though, and kinda want to root for him.
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
Lol at Dana bitch slapping Tito in his last fight by having rashad fight the same card....I take thiago and I think he might even be a dog when the lines open
I don't know the next three but those prelim fights always have sick value, I can't wait though.
We will be spending a lot of money on seats for this one. FYI. AINEC.
JC I think you're dreaming on your lines though. Wandy at +240 and Tito at +300?
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Monday, February 25th, 2008, 11:59 AM)
JC I think you're dreaming on your lines though. Wandy at +240 and Tito at +300?
Nope, I obv dont think those are the true odds, but I've seen how they butcher the lines on every card and I totally believe they can be close to that. Probably not as good, but I still think Wandy can come in at +200 and tito at +220 or better... I might be way off though.
I saw an interview with Dana saying that Tito is WAY outmatched by Machida, that Machida is top 5 in the world and Tito will never be ranked anywhere in the top 10 again. Or something along those lines.
Also, isn't it kind of a Joke that UFC gave Jardine Chuck's loser? You'd imagine it would be a rematch between the two and then maybe Wandy v Shogun, or am I way off? I mean if Forrest is fighting for the title, which I think he deserves at this point...shouldn't it be Keith next if he had beat chuck twice? So now, I'm guessing if Chuck and Jardine both win, they rematch for a shot at the belt or does Jardine auto get the title shot by beating Wandy and then Chuck gets the shot after if he beats Shogun and the loser from Forrest/Rampage? Meh, I'm half asleep still, kinda babbling, pretty confused though.
HOLY SHIT AT THAT CARD! Without a doubt have to get best seats possible for this one....heres my amateur opinion on what the lines will come out as:
Sherk v Penn: I would assume this line will come out and stay at close to even $. I could see them having Penn as a slight favorite, but imo this is close to an even $ fight and neither fighter should/will be significantly favored.
Ortiz v Machida: This fight will have an interesting betting dynamic to it. This could very well be Tito's last fight in the UFC, so who knows what will happen. Obviously Machida will open as a favorite (correctly), but the public might bet the # down to the point where we can get a VERY good price on Machida. Depending on what the line is this might be one of the fights I wait to bet until right before the fights start.
Evans v Silva: Another super interesting matchup, this card is unreal. I believe this is a fight that will be pretty close, but if I had to guess Evans might come out as -150 or more. I can already see there being quite a bit of value on Thiago, of course how much depends on the line.
Jardine v Silva: Jardine kind of deserved better from the UFC imo.... I'm not sure what logic the handicappers will use when making this line. They could say since Jardine beat Chuck and that Silva just lost to Chuck that Jardine would be a significant favorite. However, they aren't dumb and I think they realize that Chuck did not give anywhere near his best performance in the Jardine fight; he basically looked like he didn't want to be there. Chuck was a very big favorite in that fight and maybe didn't train very hard.
I personally think Wanderlei is a favorite in this fight and I'm not sure the handicappers will agree. They will probably open with Jardine as some kind of favorite, and I expect the public to jump on Wanderlei's side pretty fast, so this might be a fight you want to bet early.
Sherk v Penn: I would assume this line will come out and stay at close to even $. I could see them having Penn as a slight favorite, but imo this is close to an even $ fight and neither fighter should/will be significantly favored.
Ortiz v Machida: This fight will have an interesting betting dynamic to it. This could very well be Tito's last fight in the UFC, so who knows what will happen. Obviously Machida will open as a favorite (correctly), but the public might bet the # down to the point where we can get a VERY good price on Machida. Depending on what the line is this might be one of the fights I wait to bet until right before the fights start.
Evans v Silva: Another super interesting matchup, this card is unreal. I believe this is a fight that will be pretty close, but if I had to guess Evans might come out as -150 or more. I can already see there being quite a bit of value on Thiago, of course how much depends on the line.
Jardine v Silva: Jardine kind of deserved better from the UFC imo.... I'm not sure what logic the handicappers will use when making this line. They could say since Jardine beat Chuck and that Silva just lost to Chuck that Jardine would be a significant favorite. However, they aren't dumb and I think they realize that Chuck did not give anywhere near his best performance in the Jardine fight; he basically looked like he didn't want to be there. Chuck was a very big favorite in that fight and maybe didn't train very hard.
I personally think Wanderlei is a favorite in this fight and I'm not sure the handicappers will agree. They will probably open with Jardine as some kind of favorite, and I expect the public to jump on Wanderlei's side pretty fast, so this might be a fight you want to bet early.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Monday, February 25th, 2008, 3:41 PM)
Nope, I obv dont think those are the true odds, but I've seen how they butcher the lines on every card and I totally believe they can be close to that. Probably not as
Also, isn't it kind of a Joke that UFC gave Jardine Chuck's loser? You'd imagine it would be a rematch between the two and then maybe Wandy v Shogun, or am I way off? I mean if Forrest is fighting for the title, which I think he deserves at this point...shouldn't it be Keith next if he had beat chuck twice? So now, I'm guessing if Chuck and Jardine both win, they rematch for a shot at the belt or does Jardine auto get the title shot by beating Wandy and then Chuck gets the shot after if he beats Shogun and the loser from Forrest/Rampage? Meh, I'm half asleep still, kinda babbling, pretty confused though.
Also, isn't it kind of a Joke that UFC gave Jardine Chuck's loser? You'd imagine it would be a rematch between the two and then maybe Wandy v Shogun, or am I way off? I mean if Forrest is fighting for the title, which I think he deserves at this point...shouldn't it be Keith next if he had beat chuck twice? So now, I'm guessing if Chuck and Jardine both win, they rematch for a shot at the belt or does Jardine auto get the title shot by beating Wandy and then Chuck gets the shot after if he beats Shogun and the loser from Forrest/Rampage? Meh, I'm half asleep still, kinda babbling, pretty confused though.
I could be way off as well but heres what I imagine Dana/UFC would want to do. Obviously Chuck is much better from a business standpoint for the UFC so I think what they are planning is to rematch Chuck and Jardine for a shot at the belt if they both win. I don't know if this is necessarily fair as I think Chuck should have to beat both Shogun and the loser of the Forrest/Rampage before his title shot, but I doubt it will work out that way.
actually, it's very fair to make the Jardine/Silva match. This is a pure win-win for UFC and for Jardine. If jardine losses, it's okay because it was to wanderlei silva and it gives Silva a win against someone that UFC fans are familiar with and can make him draw better. If Jardine wins, it really helps his career as he would then have wins over both Chuck and Silva and elevate him really fast. It also helps out the UFC in that it now creates another star at the 205 division that they have made themselves. The only person that really losses with this fight is Silva as he would be expected to win and if he doesn't his career is basically screwed
Personally, I think Penn should be a solid favourite over Sherk. I'm not sure how the lines will end up, but I don't see BJ losing this fight. I think he walks right through Sherk like GSP did. BJ has the edge everywhere in this fight and the cardio issue is way overblown. At 155, he's going to be in terrific shape.
Ortiz/Machida should be interesting. I give Tito a chance in this one, because Machida has been taken down in his fights and Tito is pretty good when he's on top of his opponent. I certainly can see him grinding out a decision.
Ortiz/Machida should be interesting. I give Tito a chance in this one, because Machida has been taken down in his fights and Tito is pretty good when he's on top of his opponent. I certainly can see him grinding out a decision.
Yikes GSP is -500 against Sera. I dont have enough to make a decent score on this so I will stay away. Henderson +130 is what I am leaning towards this weekend. I love Silva but I recently watched Rampage/Hennderson again and he more than held his own against the bigger Rampage and has a rock solid chin. If Silva does win I dont know whats next, maybe Bisbing? I wouldnt mind seeing Bisbing get KTFO by Silva.
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, February 26th, 2008, 8:49 PM)
If Silva does win I dont know whats next, maybe Bisbing? I wouldnt mind seeing Bisbing get KTFO by Silva.
when did bisping drop down to 185?
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Tuesday, February 26th, 2008, 9:40 PM)
when did bisping drop down to 185?
His first 185 fight is on the GSP/Serra undercard.
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 1:56 AM)
His first 185 fight is on the GSP/Serra undercard.
He moved down right after the Rashad fight. It makes sense for him since he was pretty small at 205. He'll be fighting Charles McCarthy, which should be a good fight for him since McCarthy is coming off a long layoff and is pretty one dimensional. Bisping should be able to keep the fight standing, where he has a big edge.
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, February 26th, 2008, 9:49 PM)
Yikes GSP is -500 against Sera. I dont have enough to make a decent score on this so I will stay away. Henderson +130 is what I am leaning towards this weekend. I love Silva but I recently watched Rampage/Hennderson again and he more than held his own against the bigger Rampage and has a rock solid chin. If Silva does win I dont know whats next, maybe Bisbing? I wouldnt mind seeing Bisbing get KTFO by Silva.
Those are some messed up odds. Serra is a very live dog and is a tough fight for anyone. He is more than capable on the ground against GSP and could very well catch him in a submission and he also has heavy hands and could definitely replicate what happened in the first fight.
Regarding the Silva/Hendo fight, it's a fairly tough one to call. Hendo definitely has the right style to give Silva trouble, but Silva is dangerous off his back and his striking is awesome as well. I really don't see Hendo finishing Silva in this fight and I don't really see the fight going the distance either, so I'm going to have to go with Silva in this fight via TKO. There is nobody really worthy of a title shot if Silva beats Hendo, the next in line is probably Okami if he gets by Tanner. That would be a bit interesting just because it would be a re-match, but I think Silva takes it easily.
QUOTE (jayboogie @ Thursday, February 28th, 2008, 6:14 AM)
Those are some messed up odds. Serra is a very live dog and is a tough fight for anyone. He is more than capable on the ground against GSP and could very well catch him in a submission and he also has heavy hands and could definitely replicate what happened in the first fight.
Regarding the Silva/Hendo fight, it's a fairly tough one to call. Hendo definitely has the right style to give Silva trouble, but Silva is dangerous off his back and his striking is awesome as well. I really don't see Hendo finishing Silva in this fight and I don't really see the fight going the distance either, so I'm going to have to go with Silva in this fight via TKO. There is nobody really worthy of a title shot if Silva beats Hendo, the next in line is probably Okami if he gets by Tanner. That would be a bit interesting just because it would be a re-match, but I think Silva takes it easily.
Regarding the Silva/Hendo fight, it's a fairly tough one to call. Hendo definitely has the right style to give Silva trouble, but Silva is dangerous off his back and his striking is awesome as well. I really don't see Hendo finishing Silva in this fight and I don't really see the fight going the distance either, so I'm going to have to go with Silva in this fight via TKO. There is nobody really worthy of a title shot if Silva beats Hendo, the next in line is probably Okami if he gets by Tanner. That would be a bit interesting just because it would be a re-match, but I think Silva takes it easily.
I agree with both....and I think if silva and GSP both win they should have to fight.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Thursday, February 28th, 2008, 3:22 AM)
I agree with both....and I think if silva and GSP both win they should have to fight.
Who is going to change weight classes to do the fight?
Ok lets get some picks for Saturdays fights......I'll post mine in a bit just wanted to see what everyone else thinks as I'm wavering on a couple. Here are the lines:
UFC 82 - Lightweights - March 1 2008 - Nationwide Arena, OH, 8pm EST
Jorge Gurgel
-200
John Halverson
+160
Jon Fitch
-550
Chris WIlson
+350
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Luke Cummo
-160
Luigi Fioravanti
+130
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-450
David Bielkheden
+300
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Andrei Arlovski
-350
Jake O'Brien
+250
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Yushin Okami
-220
Evan Tanner
+170
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Koscheck
-450
Dustin Hazelett
+300
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Chris Leben
-165
Alessio Sakara
+135
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Cheick Kongo
-175
Heath Herring
+145
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Anderson Silva
-145
Dan Henderson
+115
UFC 82 - Lightweights - March 1 2008 - Nationwide Arena, OH, 8pm EST
Jorge Gurgel
-200
John Halverson
+160
Jon Fitch
-550
Chris WIlson
+350
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Luke Cummo
-160
Luigi Fioravanti
+130
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-450
David Bielkheden
+300
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Andrei Arlovski
-350
Jake O'Brien
+250
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Yushin Okami
-220
Evan Tanner
+170
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Koscheck
-450
Dustin Hazelett
+300
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Chris Leben
-165
Alessio Sakara
+135
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Cheick Kongo
-175
Heath Herring
+145
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Anderson Silva
-145
Dan Henderson
+115
QUOTE (Asimo @ Thursday, February 28th, 2008, 1:18 PM)
Ahhh Joe Son, master of Joe-son-do, the art of protecting the rest of your body with your ball sack.
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Thursday, February 28th, 2008, 4:12 PM)
Ahhh Joe Son, master of Joe-son-do, the art of protecting the rest of your body with your ball sack.
LMAO, Joe Son is a legend. That cross he was carrying looked huge, probably burned himself out before the fight. Pretty damn stupid not to let go of a headlock when you're getting punched in the nuts. It's amazing how far MMA has come since the early days. That might have been the sloppiest choke to ever work too lol
QUOTE (HoosierAlum @ Thursday, February 28th, 2008, 5:56 PM)
Ok lets get some picks for Saturdays fights......I'll post mine in a bit just wanted to see what everyone else thinks as I'm wavering on a couple. Here are the lines:
UFC 82 - Lightweights - March 1 2008 - Nationwide Arena, OH, 8pm EST
Jorge Gurgel
-200
John Halverson
+160
Jon Fitch
-550
Chris WIlson just pretty much a small dog bet and hope to suckout
+350
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Luke Cummo
-160
Luigi Fioravanti I think this might be more of a flip...I see a little value here
+130
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-450
David Bielkheden Meh...Diego aint losing, but hopefully we see a sloppy diego and scoop this up, it's either a no bet or a small dog bet b/c I'll probably never bet anyone at -450
+300
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Andrei Arlovski
-350
Jake O'Brien I actually see quite a bit of value here, Arlovski is a beast but Jake is undefeated, beat heath herring and is def not that big of a dog imo, this is a big test for him and he's in an upswing Andre might underestimate jake and lose this imo.
+250
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Yushin Okami I don't see Yushin losing this fight, he's too strong and good.
-220
Evan Tanner
+170
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Koscheck
-450
Dustin Hazelett again a dog bet just to try and get lucky and scoop one or 2 out of 4 dog bets and make some money or offset some ME losses. Don't see how josh koscheck loses but he might have a shot at getting KO'd or submitted if Dustin somehow gets top position and gets in a kimora or maybe his back? GL w/ that Dustin I'll be rooting for you. Unless I don't bet the fight which is very likely (vegas might not have those available)
+300
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Chris Leben
-165
Alessio Sakara I've seen Leben be overrated in the lines too often, I probably wouldn't take him at less than -120, I see a little value in Alessio here.
+135
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Cheick Kongo vbet every street and move in on the river....I think this fight won't ever go to the ground where Kongo is weak, and I think standing Cheick is like the anderson silva of the heavy weight division. He's fast, accurate and can combo with the best of them. If he had good ground game he'd be a champ fo sho. Also he trains with Juanito and top knotch fighters like rampage and I saw Heath has some random ass training camp. As long as heath doesn't get a lucky kick to the face I don't see Kongo losing. I'm betting the roll here.
-175
Heath Herring
+145
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Anderson Silva I want to bet this cuz I <3 silva, but I saw spike's countdown to 82 thing yesterday and "a;ldsiifhslh" Hendo is training hard as shit and looks super confident, he's never been knocked out, and hung in 5 rounds with rampage...That said, Rampage is not nearly as technical as Silva, I think Silva might be the Ali of MMA and could probably bob and weave his way into a knockout by just picking Hendo apart. I just don't know though, Marquardt mounted Silva and if he can do it so can Dan, we also really haven't seen Silva's chin be tested and if Hendo gets in one of his right hooks in a crazy exchange he might KO silva. I just don't see Silva getting into a brawl though, I think it'll be him leg kicking the shit out of Hendo and jabbing until he can thai clinch or sees an opening for a head kick. WOW this fight is going to be nasty. Someone who is apparently very well informed on MMA said that Hendo is a clear fav in the later rounds, but he thinks silva wins the fight. I don't think it goes past round 3 but who knows. I think this will come down to who has the better game plan, if hendo comes in with a Randy like game plan, I think he might win the fight. I might change my opinion and bet Hendo but I might just bet Silva tiny just to sweat the fight, I think the line is fairly accurate on Hendo's side and might be bad on Silva's. Silva might be -120 or so but prob not -150....ugggh I just don't know. GL with this one Hoos, I think you should bet your balls on Kongo though just in case.
-145
Dan Henderson
+115
UFC 82 - Lightweights - March 1 2008 - Nationwide Arena, OH, 8pm EST
Jorge Gurgel
-200
John Halverson
+160
Jon Fitch
-550
Chris WIlson just pretty much a small dog bet and hope to suckout
+350
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Luke Cummo
-160
Luigi Fioravanti I think this might be more of a flip...I see a little value here
+130
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-450
David Bielkheden Meh...Diego aint losing, but hopefully we see a sloppy diego and scoop this up, it's either a no bet or a small dog bet b/c I'll probably never bet anyone at -450
+300
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Andrei Arlovski
-350
Jake O'Brien I actually see quite a bit of value here, Arlovski is a beast but Jake is undefeated, beat heath herring and is def not that big of a dog imo, this is a big test for him and he's in an upswing Andre might underestimate jake and lose this imo.
+250
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Yushin Okami I don't see Yushin losing this fight, he's too strong and good.
-220
Evan Tanner
+170
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Koscheck
-450
Dustin Hazelett again a dog bet just to try and get lucky and scoop one or 2 out of 4 dog bets and make some money or offset some ME losses. Don't see how josh koscheck loses but he might have a shot at getting KO'd or submitted if Dustin somehow gets top position and gets in a kimora or maybe his back? GL w/ that Dustin I'll be rooting for you. Unless I don't bet the fight which is very likely (vegas might not have those available)
+300
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Chris Leben
-165
Alessio Sakara I've seen Leben be overrated in the lines too often, I probably wouldn't take him at less than -120, I see a little value in Alessio here.
+135
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Cheick Kongo vbet every street and move in on the river....I think this fight won't ever go to the ground where Kongo is weak, and I think standing Cheick is like the anderson silva of the heavy weight division. He's fast, accurate and can combo with the best of them. If he had good ground game he'd be a champ fo sho. Also he trains with Juanito and top knotch fighters like rampage and I saw Heath has some random ass training camp. As long as heath doesn't get a lucky kick to the face I don't see Kongo losing. I'm betting the roll here.
-175
Heath Herring
+145
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Anderson Silva I want to bet this cuz I <3 silva, but I saw spike's countdown to 82 thing yesterday and "a;ldsiifhslh" Hendo is training hard as shit and looks super confident, he's never been knocked out, and hung in 5 rounds with rampage...That said, Rampage is not nearly as technical as Silva, I think Silva might be the Ali of MMA and could probably bob and weave his way into a knockout by just picking Hendo apart. I just don't know though, Marquardt mounted Silva and if he can do it so can Dan, we also really haven't seen Silva's chin be tested and if Hendo gets in one of his right hooks in a crazy exchange he might KO silva. I just don't see Silva getting into a brawl though, I think it'll be him leg kicking the shit out of Hendo and jabbing until he can thai clinch or sees an opening for a head kick. WOW this fight is going to be nasty. Someone who is apparently very well informed on MMA said that Hendo is a clear fav in the later rounds, but he thinks silva wins the fight. I don't think it goes past round 3 but who knows. I think this will come down to who has the better game plan, if hendo comes in with a Randy like game plan, I think he might win the fight. I might change my opinion and bet Hendo but I might just bet Silva tiny just to sweat the fight, I think the line is fairly accurate on Hendo's side and might be bad on Silva's. Silva might be -120 or so but prob not -150....ugggh I just don't know. GL with this one Hoos, I think you should bet your balls on Kongo though just in case.
-145
Dan Henderson
+115
Ok boys heres what I'm betting on. I'll add a disclaimer that I was really up in the air about a lot of these fights and I don't think there is a ton of value betting-wise on this card. Regardless, I'm going to the fights and b/c I'm a degen I will need some sort of action/sweat on every fight.
(Also, I'm definitely an amateur/newb and these are 'recreation' bets so take them w/a grain of salt
)
Jorge Gurgel -200 v John Halverson +160 1units to win .5units
Halverson has just 1 fight in the UFC and was crushed in the first round by Roger Huerta. Many would argue that he doesn't even belong in the UFC. Gurgel is a talented bjj fighter that maybe hasn't fully lived up to expectations. His strength is bjj and if he follows a correct game plan he should be able to win without much trouble.
Jon Fitch -550 v Chris Wilson +350 .25 u to win .875 u (hes got no shot)
Fitch is obviously a huge favorite in this fight, and I don't know much about Chris Wilson based on the limited video available. Its his 1st UFC fight. Basically Wilson's only shot at winning is to land some lucky haymaker. I didn't feel like laying -550 and I was just going to stay away but then I remembered Fitch went to Purdue so f him and I'll bet a tiny amount on Wilson for the ole miracle ball.
Luke Cummo -160 v Luigi Fioravanti +130 .25 u to win .325 u
It should be a slugfest, and should be an entertaining fight. Seems to me this could be an even $ fight, and initially I had a larger bet in mind. But he is coming off of consecutive losses (fitch, petz) and he looked like absolute dogshit in the Petz fight. Still I think there is a bit of value in the +130.
Diego Sanchez -450 v David Bielkheden +300 1.5 u to win .333 u
Admittedly, I know absolutely nothing about Beilkheden, but I don't see any way Diego will lose this fight. I think there is more of a chance Fitch will lose. Hopefully lock up a small profit here.
Andrei Arlovski -350 v Jake O'Brien +250 .5 u to win 1.25 u
This was my upset special...unfortunately it seems to be everyone else's as well bc O'Brien opened at +280. It will be interesting to see how Arlovski deals w/O'Briens excellent wrestling skills. Herring had no shot against his wresting skills and was completely owned. But Arlovski is a different fighter, and I wouldn't be suprised AT ALL if Andrei came into the cage and knocked him the fk out in 1 minute.
It should be noted that Arlovski is having issues w/the UFC/Dana White, so who knows how he will come out. He might also be bitter that this fight won't be televised on the PPV, so I'm hoping he just tanks. Also, you cannot discount the fact that O'Brien is coming off an injury that was at one point "possibly career ending". Still, I think O'Brien has a legitimate shot to win.
Yushin Okami -220 v Evan Tanner +170 1.25 u to win .5685 u
I think Okami opened at -180 or something ridic, really wish I could have bet it there. I still like this play quite a bit, Tanner is coming off an almost 2 yr layoff, and who knows how focused he will be. Does he have a shot? Yea, I think so, but at this price I think I'm getting good value.
Josh Koscheck -450 v Dustin Hazelett +300 .34u to win 1.02 u
I don't see Koscheck losing obv, but I don't see any value in this line. This was the only fight I didn't bet. edit: After a bit more research decided to make a small play on Hazelett.
Chris Leben -165 v Alessio Sakara +135 .75u to win 1.01 u
This was one that I was totally up in the air about and was flip flopping back and forth. Seems like a coin-flip type fight, but I am relectant to the # of times Sakara has been KO'd. He has a pretty weak chin, which we saw when Houston Alexander bitched him. On the other hand Sakara has knockout power himself, and I think its a bet at +135. Also, from what I've read Leben lines tend to be a bit inflated based on his fan base.
Cheick Kongo -175 v Heath Herring +145 1u to win .57u
Initially I loved the Kongo line and was going to bet more. But his ground game really scares me. In his fight against Assuerio Silva he was basically taken to the ground and just laid there and held on b/c he had no fking clue what he was doing. Luckily for him Assuerio Silva wasn't super skilled on top and didn't do much if any damage. This probably won't be the case w/Herring. In an interview Herring made it clear he is going to try to insta-take down Kongo and called him a "fish out of water" on the ground.
Still, I saw definite improvement in Kongo's takedown defense and ground game in his fight against Cro Cop. I am assuming that he has been working hard on this and will be even more improved for this fight. Obviously Kongo is a surgeon on his feet and I think the fight will stay on their feet long enough for Kongo to pull out the win.
Anderson Silva -150 v Dan Henderson +120 2.5u to win 1.66u
This fight has already been dissected ad nauseam so I won't go into detail.
I already have a 2.5 unit bet on Silva, and that is enough imo. I think there is little value in this line, but I made the bet b/c of my obsession w/Silva etc. I don't like how Anderson is doing pre-fight interviews talking about how if he wins he wants his next fight to be boxing w/Roy Jones Jr. (seriously WTF?!@$EEF4adfds) Just focus on this fight don't fking get ahead of yourself.
I'm REALLY excited for this fight, it should be awesome.
I'll be back on Sunday, and maybe make up a trip report w/pics depending on our seats.
Finally, I spent basically all day watching old fights/reading/handicapping and it was really fun for me. I'm probably going to do this for most of the fights in the future and I'll keep a running tally of how many units I'm up or down. Most likely it will be me showcasing how I'm blowing my balls.
Lets go SPIDERRRRRRRRRRRR
(Also, I'm definitely an amateur/newb and these are 'recreation' bets so take them w/a grain of salt
)Jorge Gurgel -200 v John Halverson +160 1units to win .5units
Halverson has just 1 fight in the UFC and was crushed in the first round by Roger Huerta. Many would argue that he doesn't even belong in the UFC. Gurgel is a talented bjj fighter that maybe hasn't fully lived up to expectations. His strength is bjj and if he follows a correct game plan he should be able to win without much trouble.
Jon Fitch -550 v Chris Wilson +350 .25 u to win .875 u (hes got no shot)
Fitch is obviously a huge favorite in this fight, and I don't know much about Chris Wilson based on the limited video available. Its his 1st UFC fight. Basically Wilson's only shot at winning is to land some lucky haymaker. I didn't feel like laying -550 and I was just going to stay away but then I remembered Fitch went to Purdue so f him and I'll bet a tiny amount on Wilson for the ole miracle ball.
Luke Cummo -160 v Luigi Fioravanti +130 .25 u to win .325 u
It should be a slugfest, and should be an entertaining fight. Seems to me this could be an even $ fight, and initially I had a larger bet in mind. But he is coming off of consecutive losses (fitch, petz) and he looked like absolute dogshit in the Petz fight. Still I think there is a bit of value in the +130.
Diego Sanchez -450 v David Bielkheden +300 1.5 u to win .333 u
Admittedly, I know absolutely nothing about Beilkheden, but I don't see any way Diego will lose this fight. I think there is more of a chance Fitch will lose. Hopefully lock up a small profit here.
Andrei Arlovski -350 v Jake O'Brien +250 .5 u to win 1.25 u
This was my upset special...unfortunately it seems to be everyone else's as well bc O'Brien opened at +280. It will be interesting to see how Arlovski deals w/O'Briens excellent wrestling skills. Herring had no shot against his wresting skills and was completely owned. But Arlovski is a different fighter, and I wouldn't be suprised AT ALL if Andrei came into the cage and knocked him the fk out in 1 minute.
It should be noted that Arlovski is having issues w/the UFC/Dana White, so who knows how he will come out. He might also be bitter that this fight won't be televised on the PPV, so I'm hoping he just tanks. Also, you cannot discount the fact that O'Brien is coming off an injury that was at one point "possibly career ending". Still, I think O'Brien has a legitimate shot to win.
Yushin Okami -220 v Evan Tanner +170 1.25 u to win .5685 u
I think Okami opened at -180 or something ridic, really wish I could have bet it there. I still like this play quite a bit, Tanner is coming off an almost 2 yr layoff, and who knows how focused he will be. Does he have a shot? Yea, I think so, but at this price I think I'm getting good value.
Josh Koscheck -450 v Dustin Hazelett +300 .34u to win 1.02 u
I don't see Koscheck losing obv, but I don't see any value in this line. This was the only fight I didn't bet. edit: After a bit more research decided to make a small play on Hazelett.
Chris Leben -165 v Alessio Sakara +135 .75u to win 1.01 u
This was one that I was totally up in the air about and was flip flopping back and forth. Seems like a coin-flip type fight, but I am relectant to the # of times Sakara has been KO'd. He has a pretty weak chin, which we saw when Houston Alexander bitched him. On the other hand Sakara has knockout power himself, and I think its a bet at +135. Also, from what I've read Leben lines tend to be a bit inflated based on his fan base.
Cheick Kongo -175 v Heath Herring +145 1u to win .57u
Initially I loved the Kongo line and was going to bet more. But his ground game really scares me. In his fight against Assuerio Silva he was basically taken to the ground and just laid there and held on b/c he had no fking clue what he was doing. Luckily for him Assuerio Silva wasn't super skilled on top and didn't do much if any damage. This probably won't be the case w/Herring. In an interview Herring made it clear he is going to try to insta-take down Kongo and called him a "fish out of water" on the ground.
Still, I saw definite improvement in Kongo's takedown defense and ground game in his fight against Cro Cop. I am assuming that he has been working hard on this and will be even more improved for this fight. Obviously Kongo is a surgeon on his feet and I think the fight will stay on their feet long enough for Kongo to pull out the win.
Anderson Silva -150 v Dan Henderson +120 2.5u to win 1.66u
This fight has already been dissected ad nauseam so I won't go into detail.
I already have a 2.5 unit bet on Silva, and that is enough imo. I think there is little value in this line, but I made the bet b/c of my obsession w/Silva etc. I don't like how Anderson is doing pre-fight interviews talking about how if he wins he wants his next fight to be boxing w/Roy Jones Jr. (seriously WTF?!@$EEF4adfds) Just focus on this fight don't fking get ahead of yourself.
I'm REALLY excited for this fight, it should be awesome.
I'll be back on Sunday, and maybe make up a trip report w/pics depending on our seats.
Finally, I spent basically all day watching old fights/reading/handicapping and it was really fun for me. I'm probably going to do this for most of the fights in the future and I'll keep a running tally of how many units I'm up or down. Most likely it will be me showcasing how I'm blowing my balls.
Lets go SPIDERRRRRRRRRRRR
QUOTE (HoosierAlum @ Thursday, February 28th, 2008, 1:56 PM)
Ok lets get some picks for Saturdays fights......I'll post mine in a bit just wanted to see what everyone else thinks as I'm wavering on a couple. Here are the lines:
UFC 82 - Lightweights - March 1 2008 - Nationwide Arena, OH, 8pm EST
Jorge Gurgel
-200
John Halverson
+160
Gurgel is world class on the ground and the fight will probably go there. I think Gurgel will finally pull off a submission in this fight. It's hard to know much about Halverson other than that I question his heart. He just stopped fighting against Huerta, whether that was an illegal blow or not, you don't just stop fighting.
Jon Fitch
-550
Chris WIlson
+350
I expect Fitch to handle Wilson fine, but not at that price. I don't really think +350 is all that great value either, but I'd pick this line over -550 for Fitch. Wilson comes from a good camp with Team Quest and he's beaten some good fighters, so he is capable of pulling off the upset.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Luke Cummo
-160
Luigi Fioravanti
+130
Cummo has the better technical stand-up in this fight and on is probably better on the ground too. I think it'll end up being a stand-up battle with Cummo out-pointing him. Cummo has also fought the better competition and always held his own against some top notch guys out there.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-450
David Bielkheden
+300
BIelkheden is pretty tough and I can see him giving Sanchez trouble. He is excellent on the ground and he loves to scrap. I think Sanchez will probably pull out the decision, but at +300, it's not a bad price to lay on Bielkheden who should be a live dog.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Andrei Arlovski
-350
Jake O'Brien
+250
Arlovski is coming off a very long layoff and he has not looked very good in his last couple fights. His contract is up in the air and he's up against a very good wrestler. Stylistically, O'Brien will give Arlovski some trouble and he could pull out the decision by taking Arlovski down and controlling him.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Yushin Okami
-220
Evan Tanner
+170
Tanner is a pretty awesome fighter that hasn't fought in a while. I'm not really sold on Okami as a contender and he's never really been all that impressive. How rusty Tanner is coming into this fight will determine the outcome, if he comes into the fight the way he should, it's a tossup imo. As is, I'd pick Tanner if I had to pick, but would just avoid betting if possible. It's a pretty accurate line really.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Koscheck
-450
Dustin Hazelett
+300
We all know this fight will have Kos taking down Hazelett and working his ground and pound. Most likely scenario is he will grind out a decision. I don't see Kos getting caught in anything stupid and he won't really pass Hazelett's guard to give him a chance to work for anything. This will just be a case of a dominant wrestler imposing his will and nullifying Hazelett's ground attack. I never like betting on big favourites as in fighting, anything can happen, so I'd avoid this one too.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Chris Leben
-165
Alessio Sakara
+135
This one probably ends up in a KO and I'm picking the guy with the better chin. Leben has shown he can take a punch at times and come back. Sakara hasn't shown that and I expect Sakara to probably be winning the stand-up until he gets caught and finished.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Cheick Kongo
-175
Heath Herring
+145
I like Kongo's potential and he looks to have improved his ground game. Herring is actually a pretty good fighter and has decent stand-up and decent BJJ. If Herring can get Kongo on his back, he will have a good shot of winning. This is a fight I'd avoid betting on personally, because I don't like the line very much.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Anderson Silva
-145
Dan Henderson
+115
The line keeps moving in Hendo's favour and I've said all along I'm picking Silva, so I'm still sticking with him. I'd wait until closer to fight time to place a bet as I'm sure more late money will come down on Hendo and you can get better value picking Silva. I see the fight ending before 5 rounds and I don't see Hendo finishing Silva. SIlva has an excellent chin and better BJJ and I just feel he will catch Hendo in a 5 round fight.
UFC 82 - Lightweights - March 1 2008 - Nationwide Arena, OH, 8pm EST
Jorge Gurgel
-200
John Halverson
+160
Gurgel is world class on the ground and the fight will probably go there. I think Gurgel will finally pull off a submission in this fight. It's hard to know much about Halverson other than that I question his heart. He just stopped fighting against Huerta, whether that was an illegal blow or not, you don't just stop fighting.
Jon Fitch
-550
Chris WIlson
+350
I expect Fitch to handle Wilson fine, but not at that price. I don't really think +350 is all that great value either, but I'd pick this line over -550 for Fitch. Wilson comes from a good camp with Team Quest and he's beaten some good fighters, so he is capable of pulling off the upset.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Luke Cummo
-160
Luigi Fioravanti
+130
Cummo has the better technical stand-up in this fight and on is probably better on the ground too. I think it'll end up being a stand-up battle with Cummo out-pointing him. Cummo has also fought the better competition and always held his own against some top notch guys out there.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Diego Sanchez
-450
David Bielkheden
+300
BIelkheden is pretty tough and I can see him giving Sanchez trouble. He is excellent on the ground and he loves to scrap. I think Sanchez will probably pull out the decision, but at +300, it's not a bad price to lay on Bielkheden who should be a live dog.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Andrei Arlovski
-350
Jake O'Brien
+250
Arlovski is coming off a very long layoff and he has not looked very good in his last couple fights. His contract is up in the air and he's up against a very good wrestler. Stylistically, O'Brien will give Arlovski some trouble and he could pull out the decision by taking Arlovski down and controlling him.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Yushin Okami
-220
Evan Tanner
+170
Tanner is a pretty awesome fighter that hasn't fought in a while. I'm not really sold on Okami as a contender and he's never really been all that impressive. How rusty Tanner is coming into this fight will determine the outcome, if he comes into the fight the way he should, it's a tossup imo. As is, I'd pick Tanner if I had to pick, but would just avoid betting if possible. It's a pretty accurate line really.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Josh Koscheck
-450
Dustin Hazelett
+300
We all know this fight will have Kos taking down Hazelett and working his ground and pound. Most likely scenario is he will grind out a decision. I don't see Kos getting caught in anything stupid and he won't really pass Hazelett's guard to give him a chance to work for anything. This will just be a case of a dominant wrestler imposing his will and nullifying Hazelett's ground attack. I never like betting on big favourites as in fighting, anything can happen, so I'd avoid this one too.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Chris Leben
-165
Alessio Sakara
+135
This one probably ends up in a KO and I'm picking the guy with the better chin. Leben has shown he can take a punch at times and come back. Sakara hasn't shown that and I expect Sakara to probably be winning the stand-up until he gets caught and finished.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Cheick Kongo
-175
Heath Herring
+145
I like Kongo's potential and he looks to have improved his ground game. Herring is actually a pretty good fighter and has decent stand-up and decent BJJ. If Herring can get Kongo on his back, he will have a good shot of winning. This is a fight I'd avoid betting on personally, because I don't like the line very much.
Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500
Anderson Silva
-145
Dan Henderson
+115
The line keeps moving in Hendo's favour and I've said all along I'm picking Silva, so I'm still sticking with him. I'd wait until closer to fight time to place a bet as I'm sure more late money will come down on Hendo and you can get better value picking Silva. I see the fight ending before 5 rounds and I don't see Hendo finishing Silva. SIlva has an excellent chin and better BJJ and I just feel he will catch Hendo in a 5 round fight.
Interesting Jay, I reaaaaaally like the Kongo line even at -175 for several reasons....I think your take on the Okami fight is reasonable as well and very different than mine....sigh I might not bet that fight anymore.
Lol JC read your picks, we have a lot of the same ones.....basically that means GG you since I always have no shot
I do like Kongo in the fight but you can't underestimate how weak his ground game is...I think the line is decently accurate, Herring definitely can win that fight. Like I said I think its a bet but not the 'roll.
I do like Kongo in the fight but you can't underestimate how weak his ground game is...I think the line is decently accurate, Herring definitely can win that fight. Like I said I think its a bet but not the 'roll.
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Thursday, February 28th, 2008, 8:41 PM)
Interesting Jay, I reaaaaaally like the Kongo line even at -175 for several reasons....I think your take on the Okami fight is reasonable as well and very different than mine....sigh I might not bet that fight anymore.
The reason I'm hesitant on the Kongo fight is Herring is very experienced and given excellent fighters a tough time. He looked like garbage in his fight against O'Brien because he went in there with a knee injury. He could have also possibly won that fight with Big Nog had he not let him up after he had Nog badly hurt. I'm just not sold on Kongo, because he has not always looked all that great. In his fights against Marrero and Silva, he looked terrible. The Cro Cop fight redeemed him, but Cro Cop has not looked the same his last few fights either. I don't expect Kongo to just destroy Herring and it should be a tough fight for him.
The Okami fight to me is just not worth betting on because theres the unknown of how Tanner will perform after such a long layoff. The line would be much closer if this was the same Tanner of a couple years back. He was a legit contender and his downfall has always been himself. He's been known to show up to fights drunk and not be at his best.
Jay
Regarding the Leben Sakara fight I definitely took into account the chin factor, I just see this as an even $ fight, maybbee Leben as a v slight fav, I think getting +135 was a little much to pass on.
I don't know how into the fight Tanner will be. Apparently he is focused on other things in his life, who knows how he will come out. 2 years is a long time.
Like I said in my post, I didn't see a ton of value with any of the bets on this card, but since I'm going/degen I needed to pick a side....
Regarding the Leben Sakara fight I definitely took into account the chin factor, I just see this as an even $ fight, maybbee Leben as a v slight fav, I think getting +135 was a little much to pass on.
I don't know how into the fight Tanner will be. Apparently he is focused on other things in his life, who knows how he will come out. 2 years is a long time.
Like I said in my post, I didn't see a ton of value with any of the bets on this card, but since I'm going/degen I needed to pick a side....
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