What a boring event, pumped for UFC 79 tho.

I'll put the BR on Anderson Silva every day of my life from now on....Rich Franklin destroys everyone he fights, and Silva just takes his **** out and pisses all over his face. I don't know if anyone can beat him.


Keith, I did bet Silva, that was my biggest bet actually, the rest of my bets sucked. I think I had a shot in all of them, Parisyan is a joke imo, I'll take +300 on most people vs him b/c they can just knock him out..

Who do you think is a good bet between Serra and Hughes? I think they got Serra as a huge dog, but once TUF is over and the fight approaches I think he'll get a lot worse value, I think I might bet him as soon as I can. I don't know who to bet on Lidell Silva, blah, I think its -120 silva -110 lidell....I'll prob take liddell or not bet at all..

agree with the joe lauzon. I just like that he looks like a kid that should have a "kick me" sign on his back, but he's actually a fucking monster. I think we'll see more of him.

as far as the bisbing/evans fight goes, I pretty much agree with everybody so far in that it was about as close to a draw as you can get in my opinion. I actually would have gave the slight edge to bisbing. I also agree with the takedown thing, and as a matter of fact my friend and I were discussing that during that fight, how Evans was getting so many points for the takedowns but he wasn't really doing anything with them and that bisbing wasn't affected at all by them, but it wouldn't matter to the judges. we were right.



I'd say if anybody can it would be dan henderson. I am REALLY looking forward to this.



also, why does everybody thing hendo was so adamant about staying at 205? he hate cutting weight that much?

That will be a good one. I think Silva will win but Henderson will be TOUGH. With Bisbing pbly moving down and Maybe Evans too(although with Evans last 2 performances he doesnt get me to excited) 185 is getting some depth. If Silva does take out Henderson I think he seriously should consider 205.

P.S. I havent heard anything about GSP lately. Is he hurt? Or just waiting for the winner of Hughes/Serra?

Looking like a solid card to finish out the year with.I would think GSP would get the winner of Hughes/Serra but not sure why he didn't get a rematch right away.I always looked at Henderson and Coture much the same way as you can never count them out in any fight they are in.

If I can get the right price on Henderson, I will bet him to win. I've said before that Silva will do his worst against a wrestler. Henderson has a good shot. Need to see what the line is.

Only odds I could find were Serra +260 v. Hughes -350, and Liddel -110 v. Silva -120

Anyone else see value possibly in Serra? Hughes seems pretty down on fighting watching this seasons TUF shows, and Serra has pwned him at just about everything during the show.

yes, please more lauzon. I've liked him a lot whenever I've seen him fight, and man, if Manny was able to pick apart Joe the way he did, I can't wait to see Manny fully healed.

The problem with the MMA scoring system is that it will never truly be fixed. I think PRIDE's system of evaluating the overall fight and voting for the guy who tried to finish the fight the most was probably best, but could be suspect





I don't doubt that this also means that Hendo will be resigned to a multi fight deal



Jon, do you want to put money on that. I'm not neccessarily saying that Henderson will win, but he won't get dominated by Silva as he's faced tougher opponents when they were in their prime and had no problem going toe to toe with them




JC, if you can get Hendo at +150, put a lot of money on that line. In fact, watch out for possible arbitrages for this fight as it can be very possible to bet both sides and end up ahead on the night. I really think that people who have only really watched UFC don't know how great Dan Henderson is.

If you can get Serra at +200 or better, bet him. I think that Hughes is on the downside of his career and Serra hasn't really had a chance to truly show off his BJJ skills. Serra was one of the first americans to obtain a BlackBelt in BJJ and is an excellent fighter. Is he as good as Hughes, no, but I just don't know how into it Hughes is anymore as he's recently opened up a gym near his home and seems to be already looking at where he'll be when his career ends. Serra OTOH has gotten a second chance and has really run with it since he's gotten it

I wouldn't bet on the Liddell/Silva fight at all and just enjoy it. I don't think that there will be any line that would be smart to bet on




henderson also has heavy hands as he holds KOs over Murilo Bustamante and Wanderlei Silva among others. In fact, KOs have been hows he's finished a lot of fights. IMO, Henderson should win this fight, but this is why they play out in the ring





i'd take serra at that line in a heartbeat

I would lock in at that line ASAP. I think as the fight nears more money will come in on Serra because he deffinatly is being potrayed as the more likable guy in TUF.

Serra just pulled out...herniated discs in the back.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=10087

Just read that about Serra too. That throws quite a wrench into the 170 plans. Are they really going to make GSP wait that long to fight again?

Hendo vs Silva should be a great fight. Silva going up to 205 would be kind of silly for him He could be giving up a good 30lbs against the bigger light heavies. I think this line will be pretty close to even money, but if it comes out +150 for Hendo I like that bet.

I would take Serra +200 or better any day and twice on Sundays.

I think Alexander's cornerman said it best: "......I have no idea what Houston was doing....it was not what we worked on".

Finally the Alexander hype has been derailed. Look at what he has done, he KOed a guy with terribly sloppy standup who managed to land a hail-mary shot on Forrest, then beat a guy with apparently good boxing skills but a big ? over his heart. Then, he showed his incredibly lacking ground game. He could always pull off a few more wins but I think he will certainly not live up to the expectations created by his first two fights.

I think Hughes is the favourite over Serra, while Serra has better standup he does not have the takedown defence that GSP or BJ have, I see him getting pounded out. But then again it wouldn't surprise me if he got a sub from the bottom. I'd bet on Hendo over Silva at even money.

ughhh that sucks that Serra got hurt. I was looking forward to this fight and was going to throw down large on Serra for anything +250 and up.

Is Hughes going to stay on the card?

Keith and Steve, I'm curious... You really think there is a lot of value in Henderson if the line is +150? Why and for what reasons? I guess I don't really see it, but I admit that I'm still very much a mma handicapping newbie...either way I won't bet against Silva as he is my favorite fighter in the UFC.

I'll book as much action on this as you want.

wow that really sucks about serra. what the hell are they gonna do now? herniated discs don't heal over night. hell, he could be out for a year or more depending on what surgery will be needed. it would suck for them to have to take the belt from him but can they really let him hold onto it for that long because of an injury? hopefully he can heal quickly but I ain't seeing it. and what in the world are they gonna replace that fight with? its gotta be big thats for sure. I'm so perplexed.


and I agree with the hendo taking silva too. hendo is really a beast, and at 185 there ain't no telling what he could accomplish. and for some reason, even with all he's accomplished in his fights so far, silva has still yet to really impress me, and I'm not really sure why. I just think somebody as tough as dan henderson (who went 5 rounds with freaking rampage, mind you) could pretty much handle silva. as long as he cuts weight correctly, which I'm sure he will.

Jon, IMO hendo is actually the favorite. He has constantly faced better competition than silva and has come out on the winning end most of the time. I've watched Henderson for almost all of his career, and he is probably one of the best fighters that I've seen, and especially at the 185 division. Lets also look at the fact that he was competitive against jackson who was a good 20 lbs heavier and it was henderson's first time in the cage in years.

Hughes v GSP 3. BOOO F*&*&ING HOOO.....seriously, who wants to see them fight again? For a division as deep as 170 it's sure nice to see the same 3 guys fighting each other over and over and over and over and over again. I would really hate to see GSP lose because I despise Hughes, but I was really looking forward to Hughes v Serra.

Just saw that. GSP/Hughes is adequate replacement fight IMO. I was worried they would scrap Hughes fighting all together and just sell the Silva/Liddell fight. Still a stacked card. Its also says its for the interm title so I imagine Serra is done. What a shame, he is a very likable dude.

An Interm title... interesting.

I'm not a fan of Serra or Hughes, I've never found either of them terribly entertaining but watching this season of TUF I have come around to at least liking Serra as a professional.

Hey we agree on something

Whats more is that Hendo has never been KOed. I guess if he becomes too reliant on that big right he could get caught and go down, but I think he is too smart for that. I see him dominating the clinch, slamming and then pounding Silva from the top. I guess I just can't get past the Chonan fight, and I think that Leben and Franklin were perfect opponents for Silva because of their wide-open styles.

I just can't imagine Hendo being KOed, especially since Rampage and Silva (X2) could not do the job. That said, I picked Marquart and Lutter to upset Silva and that didn't happen.

If they're gonna do an "interim title" they should take the belt from Serra and have it up for grabs. Just give Serra first crack at the champ whenever he comes back. He could be out a while, as someone already said.

"Interim" title promotion = $$$$$$$

Hendo has fought 5 times in the last 2 years and lost 2 of those fights. I mean I don't disagree he is world class, but he has not faced anyone with the technical talent that Silva possesses....at least not in a long time. Silva has better muay thai, crisper striking, much better ju jitsu, and arguably a better clinch. Lutter exposed a bit of Silva on the ground by getting the mount, but Silva is not going to have to worry about getting submitted by Hendo like he did against Lutter.

Definitely looking forward to this one as much as I did Hendo/Rampage.

Steve, is there any chance you could clear some room in your inbox for personal messages?

I wouldn't bet this fight at even money. I've said from the beginning that it will take a wrestler to beat Silva. It will also take someone with good hands, who can ground and pound. Idealy, if that wrestler was very good at submissions, that would be key. But Henderson does fit the bill in a lot of ways. Having said that, I like this fight. Silva shows a ton of respect for others in the ring, and I think he is great for the sport. I will most likely be rooting for Henderson because I assume I can get the right price. It is a pretty even match. It's just a clash of styles. Hope that makes some sense.

Should be room in there to send messages now.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense that if anyone could beat silva it would be Henderson, it'll be a good fight for sure I can see Henderson out muscling Silva and taking him down for the pounding. At the same time it'll be tough for him to close in for the take down without eating a knee. And isn't Silva a sicko from the guard? Damn I cant wait to see what the lines are that's pretty much what my bet will depend on.

Also, am I the only one who would love to see another BJ vs Hughes fight? Or is that not possible or what? Everyone keeps mentioning Hughes vs GSP but man the last hughes v penn left me wanting some more, I'm a big fan of good ground fights and the last one was awesome.

Let's see BJ fight ANYONE. Just watched that fight again today on dvr and Hughes was getting owned until the broken rib. Sad the guy won't train cardio.

If you like the ground game, don't blink for BJ vs JoeDaddy. Huerta vs Guida should provide some phenomenal groundwork as well.

Henderson's far better than anyone's ever given him credit for.

And yes, you're the only one who wants to see BJ Penn...well fight anyone.

Explain

Other than him always being out of shape he is probably one of the most exciting fighters out there. He is not going to get knocked out, he is not going to get submitted, and is a danger to anyone in pretty much any weight class both standing and on the ground.

OK.



Done.

Sam Vasquez from injuries suffered during a MMA fight

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-f...o&type=lgns

Anybody caught any of the WEC fights. I have watched 3 or 4 1 hour shows the last few weeks and I am very impressed.They have a featherweight champ, Uriah Faber, who is one of the best fighters I have seen in a while. Like a 2 stroke motor, just a freak. There was maybe 1 boring fight in the 3 hours I have seen. And they don't show a lot of crap in between fights. Usually 4-5 fights a show.
I am pretty sure it is owned by Zuffa (UFC). The shows are in Vegas at the Hard Rock. Worth checking out !!

Yeah the WEC is awesome. I really like the comeentary of Mir. They have a live event coming up on the 12th Faber vs Jeff Curran for the belt. Should be a great fight.

Bodog has Huerta even money, and Guida at -175...damn I think Huerta is SOOOO +EV it's not even funny...what do you guys think?


Also, they have Hughes at +175, again, I think there's sick value there. Even though GSP is a bad mofo I think this fight is more of a coinflip.

I would deffinatly bet hughes at that price. GSP is awesome but Hughes is also world class and when to studs go up against each other and you are getting close to 2-1 I think you bet the dog everytime.

hey George Sotiropoulos...

That kid is on the cover of this month's FIGHT magazine, anyone who hasn't seen it should get it. Seems like just a sicko. I can't see UFC going to featherweights, and from what the article says, this guy would have a very tough time putting on the weight. It's too bad, from everything they say, he could easily be the "next big thing"

What are your guys' thoughts on the eye-gouges from TUF wednesday night?

I'm with you - and I have to think that Dana's marketed Huerta FAR too much to put him in the ring against a guy who has any real chance of beating him.




I think GSP wins this fight, but betting Hughes is probably slightly +EV...I'd probably stay away from it unless you're just looking for action.

Spider, I'll take BJ out of shape over 75% of the fighters in the UFC right now. I don't care to see two thugs trying to knock each other out.

The only reason Dana has marketed him at all is because SI decided to do it first. The fight promoters don't seem to be giving anyone cupcakes, and Guida is the exact opposite of a cupcake. It should be a good fight, but I can't see betting against Huerta at those odds.

Hughes is not going to beat GSP on the ground again and although GSP's chin is suspect I don't think Hughes gets a KO either. I see GSP taking this one as early as rd 1.

It's going to be Hughes getting out classes on his feet, he'll shoot or clinch and as long as he doesnt get caught on his way in I think he'll take it to the ground, where he has an actual shot. As much as I like GSP and as much as I hate Hughes I still think I'm going to bet Hughes on this.

True - but Dana's not stupid. I don't know about the rest of the country, but they've really been hyping this show to the Hispanic community here in Southern California. Even on English language stations, the show airs on Sabado.

Dana has offered up plenty of tomato cans against his favored fighters recently, they just haven't cooperated and have pulled off some huge upsets.

I don't think I bet on the GSP/Hughes fight unless I'm a real action junkie. I think it's too close to call, with GSP as a slight favorite.

it completely made a difference in the fight. George didn't really look like he wanted to be there in the first place, but those eye pokes really messed with his head and completely took his mind out of the fight

The fact that he re-started the fight so quickly afterward was insane. I know Serra was telling him to take time to recover, but maybe he should have been more forceful about it.

Goin through UFC withdrawal so I cant wait for tonight. Especially after that extremely boring 78 card. Predictions Huerta, Speer, War, and George(I am not even gonna attempt his last name).

I read that tonight's main event is Big John McCarthy's last time in the octagon. GG Big John.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/AL...2XIo0sB90ToqW2w

What a good card. i thought Guida had Huerta when he caught him with that big punch in the second. That Guida is a very entertaining fighter and hope to see him more in the future. Danzig surprised me with how easily he beat speer. He is deffinatly well polished and should contend at 155. That War/Rollins fight was awesome. Both guys bleeding like stuck pigs and exhausted. I thought war was spent so that reversal and finish kind of came out of nowhere. Prediction it will be Rampage coaching the other team in TUF 7.

Yea, that card had two great fights and a few decent ones on it. Was better than the last PPV by a mile.

Everything on the card was good. Great fight between Guida and Huerta - Huerta's first couple rounds weren't really that impressive, but he really impressed me in the third round. He knew he was probably behind on the scorecards and had to finish it, so he did.

I got a UFC-DVD: Best of 2007. It's for torrents, pm me if you want the link.

amazing how the free fight with a bunch of up and comers was ten times better than the past 5 pay per views with the big names. the only thing that disappointed me last night was tommy speer not performing like I thought he would. he needs to get with militich or somebody and get some training in him and he could be really good. but other than that, the fights were just all out brawls and very entertaining. war maching/j-roc... I mean DAMN. that was what a fight is supposed to be. neither one of those guys gave up at all.

and also, dear Dana White: please put Clay Guida on every card from now on. I like this guy.