Finally a good TUF last night. Not really a good fight, but cool to see a super nice guy almost tear someone's arm off.

Yea good episode. Rampage appologizing to "tittays" then trying to cop a feel was pretty funny. Man I wish Rampage and Rashad were gonna fight. Of all the fights announced or that have fallen apart lately that one was the one that got me the most excited.


The New Years show this year looks to be weak barring some sort of mirracle. Even the Superbowl weekend show ME will be pretty weak with GSP vs Swick/Hardy being so lopsided either way. Meh at least we got 2 straight weekends of free shows coming up.

Dana says Hendo has signed with Strikeforce. Adds another headliner to Strikeforce which is good for competition. Maybe Hendo/Fedor someday???

very good card tonight, looking forward to watching Fedor for the first time, and from what I saw from Mousasi last time, I'm real excited to watch him again. Plus, I love Sheild's Jujitsu. I can do without Miller's antics. He's a moron just to be a moron, it's not funny

no one talking fedor here?

http://sports.sho.com/mma/fight-camp-360-f..._campaign=Fedor

Just what I wanted to see tonight... Jake Shields' bacne

Suprised Rogers showed aswell as he did. Just to bad there arent any other top level HW at Strikeforce right now. Dont really want to see Werdum/Fedor

Man do I love Fedor


I was surprised that Shields kept getting such dominant positions and didn't do anything with them. I guess Miller is slippery.


So sad that Sokojou gassed. That's why Mousasi got the W, but I do love me some Gegard. I love that Shamrock couldn't say So-ka-jew. Too Funny.

there is one who can challenge fedor, the strikeforce hw champion alistair overeem, and as for the shields fight im not a fan of sheilds and think the man is overated and i think miller just wasnt prepared to have a wrestling match

I thought Overeem has been a little flakey about his future with Strikeforce. Coker said Fedor/Werdum makes sence after Saturday. Would watch for free but wouldnt pay for that match up.

it has been im just saying that there is someone to challenge fedor in strikeforce, its just overeem is being a little bitch and doesnt like fighting in the states, werdum would get murdered so i wouldnt pay for that either

because there is no way he is going to piss clean

That sucks. Hendo is a good draw and I'm surprised he made the switch, or Dana didn't fight harder to keep him.

dana said he did give him the best offer he could its just henderson wanted to be the highest paid fighter which dana said he couldnt offer him

edit:cain vs nog to headline 108 official

Looks like the prelims on Spike before the PPV is gonna be a regular now.

UFC 106 prelims are Ben Saunders vs. Marcus Davis and Kendall Grove vs. Jake Rosholt.

those should be decent fights

Watching Ortiz/Griffin 1 on Unleashed has me reconsidering my decision not to get 106.

Watched the 105 countdown show. Looking forward to the top 3 fights. The TUF winners, not so much. Whatever. I like Kang and his skill set. Hardy is amusing to me and a good stand up fighter, but Swick can be devastating and I would like to see Vera unleash hell with his hands.

I came to MMA late so I'm not a huge Couture guy. I respect what he's done and all of that, but I think him winning would be bad because they'd give him a title shot immediately, which he doesn't deserve.

also, he's help a belt 5 times. A little history would help me, would he just get a title shot every time he fought? I mean, what the hell? Again, I respect what he's done and the shape he's in, but I just think people are going to make their name off of him at this point, but who am I to tell him to stop fighting? He's a game opponent.

Been a huge Couture fan ever since he dominated Tito for 5 rounds then spanked his ass literally for the last 20 seconds of the fight. Would only watch the UFC a couple times of year back then if it was free at a friends house or a bar but I hated Ortiz so it was pretty sweet. The guy has fought everyone at the top of 2 divisions and is always in there with top competition. He has got flash knocked down from strikes in his last 2 fights and think he might get ko'd on Saturday. Hope not I hate Vera.

actually randy was and pretty much has been a huge underdog his whole career in the ufc, he wasnt well known to people until he beat chuck for the title which many people didnt see happening, i believe other than him being just one of the old ufc fighters like belfort and tito is a reason y he would get a title shot also the reason y i dont want tito to win other than the fact that i like griffen, because tito would get a direct title shot after rua of course

Off the top of my head one or two of those were back in the tournament days, and then when he had a formal run as HW Champ but lost to Barnett, and then beat Chuck for 205 belt, they needed someone to fight Chuck since Tito wouldn't, and Randy made sense, so no problem with me there. I suppose his loss to Vitor counts as losing the belt, then beating Vitor is re-winning the belt, but he for sure earned that shot as the second Vitor fight stoppage was a fluke injury... and while he didn't earn his shot at Sylvia, HW sucked, it could sell, and it led to one of the best fights in history, so I wouldn't have had a problem with him vs. Lyoto. I was pumped for him vs. Brock and thought that was a good fight, why wouldn't the Lyoto fight be the same?

Roy won both rounds of that fight in two judges opinions?

Justin probably would have gotten smoked the third round, but I just didn't see Roy land a whole lot of meaningful punches either round. Justin didn't do anything in the 2nd, but I thought he controlled most of the first, and Roy didn't exactly kick the shit out of him in the 2nd.

yeah, that was an ugly decision. I think Wren tired at the end of rounds and Roy stole them, especially the first. Wren destroyed him in the first half of the first round. Second round, I can see Roy getting. He shoulda used more leg kicks, Wren wasn't checking them and was very heavy on his lead foot. Third round woulda been in order, but like you wrote, Wren was gassed.


Also, I don't know if it's because Nelson is fat or has bad knees, but he does not move fluidly. It was like watching myself shuffle around, and I've had 5 knee operations on my right knee and microfracture surgery on my left. Ugly.


Thanks for all the input on the Couture stuff people.

marquardt vs sonnen under concideration for 108 or 109, this match is just a slap to the face of nate, how many times are they going to keep dodging him his title shot, this is ridiculous

I can understand the UFC wanting a Belfort/Silva match up as it is something new in a division basically cleared out by Silva. A Hendo/Marquart fight would have been very good but it looks like Hendo is gone. It is probally the UFC's worst division depth wise. Marquart will destroy Sonnen then hopefully get his rematch.

Cant believe Nog/Velasquez is the headliner for 108. A good co main event yes but not the headliner in what is traditionally one of the biggest shows of the year.

Agreed, even with Silva/Evans as a co-main event, it's still not that strong. Didn't last year's late December card have Griffin/Evans, Nogueira/Mir, AND Wanderlei/Rampage?

Guess they were really banking on Lesnar's illness disappearing.

Yea and year before was Wandy/Liddel and GSP/Hughes

They have no other options for a 108 main.

Lyoto can't get to a rematch that quick
They wanted Anderson vs. Vitor but Anderson isn't ready.
GSP's torn ligament isn't ready
Brock's sick.

Still a damn good card


* Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Cain Velasquez
* Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
* Junior Dos Santos vs. Gabriel Gonzaga*
* Carlos Condit vs. Paul Daley*
* Tyson Griffin vs. Jim Miller*

Still some solid fights no doubt. I think the UFC made a big mistake in not cancelling the Memphis show as soon as Quentin pulled out. They spread there top end talent to thin with all the shows between Oct 24 and Feb 21. A couple of injuries/illnesses and none of the cards are really stacked and there really isnt any real blockbuster ME outside of maybe BJ/Diego.

Yay UFC 105 is on cable!

Couture fights are always awesome, I don't care how old he is. I think he has a great shot against Vera. I also like watching Mike Swick fight.

It would be fun if Bisping got dropped again. Don't see that happening though. Also, the 2 British TUF winners are fighting, both the guys they are up against don't have great records though. Obviously the fights are in England lol.

edit: I guess the spoiler feature isnt working

maybe old news, but I didn't see it anywhere --

according to Dana, Brock Lesnar is in bad shape, with something more serious than mono

http://tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=298377

Wow and now Cain/Nog is off with another staph infection for Nog. I wouldnt be suprised if Lesnars liver is ****ed from roid abuse. I know a guy who did roids and he got really ****ed up with a liver condition at about that age. Liddell might have to come back now.

gg brock? http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com...rs&Itemid=1

Apparently someone on mmajunkie posted a week ago that Brock was in a hospital where his brother worked suffering from kidney failure.

Thought that the spike card was kinda meh. But it was free.

One fight I really want to see is Alves vs Hardy. That imo is the right fight. GSP vs Hardy is kinda silly.

I thought the first 3 fights were really good the Swick/Hardy was meh and Couture/Vera was a snoozefest. I really enjoyed the Bisbing/Kang fight and was really impressed with Bisbing and his performance in the position chess match on the ground in the first. He kept Kang so busy battling for position that he couldnt inflict any damage from the top. Brown/Wilk was also very good and Brown is deffinatly a good gatekeeper in his division. Couture/Vera was a letdown but judging from how boring Vera has been for 2 years now and with Randy's style I guess we shouldnt have expected much. I dont have a problem with the decision but thought it could have gone either way. If the criteria for judging really is effective striking, grappling and octagon control I think Randy deffinatly had the grappling and octagon control in his favor.

Hardy/GSP is a huge mismatch and I have no intrest in it. I saw talk today that GSP and Hardy might be coaches for TUF 11 which would suck tying up GSP for that long just for a mediocre fight in June or July. I think the time is right For GSP to have a fight at 185 against a Bisbing or Maia while the rest of the ww division has some fights between the top 4 (Alves, Hardy, Fitch, winner of Kos/Rumble) to determine a legitimate contender. Not necessarily a tournament just 2 fights between the top 4 and who ever of the 2 winners looks better gets the first shot. If one of those guys drops out for some reason throw Paulo Thiago in the mix.

Apparently the AP is saying Brock's condition is 'bacterial infection' related. Not sure what that means, if it could relate to the kidney failure or what. Hopefully he gets back and better ASAP.

Man, the UFC has been so ****ed recently. Insane.

And I agree Hardy doesn't make sense for GSP, but who else is there? I guess AJ works with a Kos win. Or if Kos KO's AJ, maybe him over Hardy? IDK, maybe GSP should pack it in at 170 here shortly and just head to 85 for good.

I'm just hoping that Ortiz/Griffin II and Penn/Sanchez get through without a hitch. So many big fights have been postponed in the last month, it's unreal.

Read on Junkie GSP is walking around at 197 right now 12lbs more than his usual walk around weight. A 1 off 185 appetizer fight against anyone but Marq,Vitor, AS makes so much sence right now with that division bogged down aswell.

I forgot about the Brown fight. Brown is one those fighters that truly amazes me every time I see him. He gets out of crazy subs and has sooo much heart. He is a true mma fighter through and through. Tons of respect for that kid. I hope that one day he develops and gets a shot.

Johnson has the tools to beat GSP. He just doesn't have the experience yet. Hardy is similar to Alves. Hardy has a lot of power and a great chin. But he is waaay too inexperienced to take this fight. It's sad really. I mean if and when he loses he has to really work his way back up. And he's just not ready. Of course like everyone elese, he can knock GSP out. But he has yet to do that in his last 3 fights.

GSP, Silva and Penn are true champions in there respective divisions. I just don't see anyone who can beat them. I think that Marquardt actually has the tools to pull an upset. But it would be a hell of a grind.

Johnson should eventually be able to beat GSP. Kos will be a good test to see if he can hande the takedowns.

Penn vs Sanchez is a bad match for Sanchez. I know that Sanchez believes that he can win. But everything that Sanchez can do, Penn does better. Similar to Florian.

Again, very dominant belt holders in the light, welter and middlweight spots.

Reminder that Brown/Aldo WEC event is tommorow. should be good.

Dana White says Machida/Shogun rematch will take place May 1st, in Montreal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Avd3...o&type=lgns

Sigh no UFC in Vancouver till at least Fall now. Montreal deserves an event a year though with there support and Vegas like gates.

Sigh TSN which ussually has the WEC events live decided not to have this one despite having 2 channels.

No chance Kimbo gets in next week. They would have hyped it up if he did for another ratings boom.

UFC boss faces biggest promotional test

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Nov 18, 6:18 pm EST


Dana White was supposed to spend this week promoting his Ultimate Fighting Championship 106 card at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. It was to star his biggest box office draw, heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar.

Instead White flew Tuesday to Bismarck, N.D., showed up at the local hospital and found Lesnar, in heavy post-op sedation, while family and friends fretted about the future.

Lesnar had surgery to help solve a bacterial infection in his intestinal tract that helped cause the postponement of Saturday’s fight against Shane Carwin and left his long-term future in doubt.

“The family was worried big time, they were freaking out,” White, the UFC president, said Wednesday. “Brock was in big pain, he was hurting.

“We don’t know if he’ll ever fight again.”

White cautioned that things could still go either way. He could fight. He could not. No one knows at this point. Lesnar was resting Wednesday at his home in Alexandria, Minn. and was scheduled to visit the famed Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. early next week for a battery of tests.

“He had a hole in his intestine,” White said. “The (stuff) was leaking into his stomach. That’s what was causing him so much pain. That and he had abscesses.

“The doctor told him he hasn’t been right for a year. His immune system has been trying to fight this thing and that’s why he was susceptible to getting sick.”

That likely explains Lesnar’s original diagnosis of mono. He had been weakened to the point that he was unable to train for the Carwin fight for much of October. That prompted the original delay in the fight. Then last week, the intestinal problem flamed up and Lesnar was hospitalized.

“We’ll find out more next week,” White said. “We’re going to send him to the Mayo Clinic for a couple of days. I don’t know what to say. It’s looking better now than last week, but what that means, I don’t know.”

White said no decision would be made on setting up an interim heavyweight championship until he knew how long Lesnar might be out.

For White, the Lesnar illness is just the latest bit of unfortunate news for his promotion. After a record-setting summer highlighted by a reported 1.6 million pay per view buys for UFC 100 on July 11, which Lesnar headlined, there’s been a rash of injuries, illnesses and bad luck.

Lesnar is just one of three champions who have been forced to sit out for an extended period. Middleweight Anderson Silva is recovering from elbow surgery but will fight in February and welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre is still coming back from a groin injury.

In addition, light heavyweight draw Rampage Jackson bailed on a highly anticipated December fight with Rashad Evans to play “B.A. Baracus” in the “A-Team” remake. Jackson said he’s retired, although who knows how long that will last. Veteran heavyweight Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira is recovering from a staph infection. And popular former PRIDE champion Dan Henderson is unlikely to re-sign with the UFC, and could be heading for rival Strikeforce.

“This sounds crass but when you’re dealing with humans as your product, crap happens,” White said. “It’s no different in football or baseball. I always say, the only guarantee when my big toe hits the floor in the morning is that something bad is about to happen.”

White is rightfully hailed as a skilled fight promoter. He’s been the front man as the UFC has gone from bleeding millions to being worth an estimated $1 billion.

He’s in the midst of proving it like never before. There’s no better example than Saturday’s UFC 106, which had its Lesnar-Carwin main event postponed and then its other top fight, Tito Ortiz vs. Mark Coleman, get switched due to a Coleman injury.

Ortiz is now returning to the Octagon against Forrest Griffin, a rematch of a hotly contested 2006 match won by Ortiz on a split decision.

Likewise, headline fights were dropped from both December and January pay-per-view cards. And the current season of Spike TV’s the Ultimate Fighter, taped last summer, is promoting a fight between coaches (Evans and Jackson) that won’t happen any time soon.

“It’s about the fights, though,” White said. “The one thing no one can ever say is that we don’t deliver good fights. People always look at a card and say it’s not going to be any good. Then it ends up being the best card of the year. Just because Brock Lesnar is not in the main event doesn’t mean there won’t be great fights.

“If you’re a fight fan you want great fights. We deliver great fights.”

This all true, however there is no denying the impact of losing star fighters for extended periods. That’s especially the case with a crossover sensation like Lesnar.

White, however, points to the television ratings from last Saturday’s UFC 105, which was shown on basic cable’s Spike TV and performed better in the young men demographics than the Nov. 7 Strikeforce card on CBS.

Although the Strikeforce card, featuring its big heavyweight draw, Fedor Emelianenko, produced far greater overall numbers, White says he won the male 18-34 demo by 49 percent.

“And we had to go up against a big boxing match (Manny Pacquiao-Miguel Cotto) and college football, which we also beat in the demo,” White said.

This is White at his best, somehow spinning one of the most challenging recent stretches for the company into a positive.

Long-term, the UFC will be fine. White will have Silva and St. Pierre return in 2010. He said Lyoto Machida will give a rematch for his light heavyweight belt to Mauricio Shogun Rua on May 1 in Montreal. Machida won a close decision last month in Los Angeles.

And with Brock Lesnar, who knows? If he does return, he’ll likely be more popular than ever.

“If he’s done what he’s done at less than 100 percent, then imagine how he’ll be if he is 100 percent,” White noted.

At this point, White said he was just pleased that the health scare doesn’t seem to be worsening and there’s hope that with proper treatment, Lesnar should be able to live a healthy life.

As for Lesnar’s future as a fighter, even for Dana White, that’s a secondary concern.

karo is out of 106 and dana said he will not be fighting in the ufc anymore

Yea pulling out of the fight at the last minute is very shitty of him and dont blame them for firing him.

I soooo wanted the see Dustin Hazelett, or whatever his last name is. His last fight before injury, he put a super slick submission on somebody. I like that kid. He's for real. Then again, I said that about Maia. So heartbroken when my BJJ guys get crushed.

and I agree on the Kimbo thing, they woulda hyped the balls outta him if he was fighting next week. BTW, when does that ep air?

Repeat next Wedensday, 2 hour final episode on Dec. 2.

Go Forrest!!!