I would hate if he vacated the belt. It would make it totally worthless until he retires, they should just call it a second place trophy. He can fight there once a year and beat guys and it'll be fine. HW is intriguing... but I think he still will fight Hendo next... the only reason HW is a real idea is because he can't fight so many 205ers because he won't fight Lyoto, so in order to dodge that he moves up to fight HW... you have to love that attitude.

as much of a monster anderson is i dont think moving to hw would be a good idea unless he takes time off to gain more weight which is another slim chance since he has two more fights left in his contract and has already said he is going to fight roy jones as soon as his contract with the ufc is over

Has anyone in the US used Bodog? How did you put money on? How did you cash out?

Probally get faster better responces to this in genpo.

I used a debit card to depo about a year and a half to two years ago, but have not tried to depo or withdraw since, although I heard it has been a pain to try to do anything there right now.

looking forward to maia and nate, if he wins you think dana gives him a shot at silva?

If Hendo is really next up and AS wants to continue on with fights in other divisions he should get a shot sometime before the end of 2010. This is the reason why I think AS should vacate MW and add some extra muscle and concentrate on lhw and hw.

silva has shown that he has the power to fight lhw, i was a little sceptical at first, but after seeing him drop forrest off the back up i have no doubt

i stillt think if maia can get him down he subs anderson though

I hate AS moving up. It makes an 85 title a second place trophy. He isn't going to fight Lyoto, so what is he going to do, destroy contenders and make everyone beg for a fight that isn't going to happen? Here's a quote from Anderson today...

What are your guys picks to win at 102?

I like Randy(Nog looked terrible against Mir and should have been KO'd by Herring in the last couple years)
Thiago Silva(I like Jardine alot but I think Thiago is the kind of guy Jardine gets KO'd by)
Nate Marquart
Brandon Vera(cheering for Krystoff but I think Vera is just a little to much for him, I hate Vera)

I dont care about Leben/Rosholt and cant believe its on the main card

Only one I am concidering putting money on is Thiago Silva. Randy looked good against Lesnar but 10 months is a eternity at that age so I will be intrested to see how he looks.

I agree with your first two picks. The second two are really close.

Randy is a huge favorite imo. I just don't see Nog submitting Randy. And Randy dictates where the fight takes place.

Silva and Jardine is closer. But I think Silva has better stand up, and if the fight stays standing he has an edge.

I love Nate. I think he is truly underrated. I actually think that Nate will get the ko in this one. If it goes to the ground it could be close.

Vera has looked horrible lately. I just don't know exactly what Krystoff is capable of yet. So it's a harder fight to call.

i like all your picks randy i believe will control the whole fight with the clinch game like he did sylvia, jardin and silva i believe is close cause both fighter will throw bombs and will most likely end in a ko or tko unless it goes to the ground then i believe silva has the better game in that area, nate i believe is the better all around fighter and unless he gets caught sleeping on the ground i see nate getting the w, and vera looked pretty good against jardine and if he comes out and does what made him win in the hw division and utilies the clinch and his kicks i believe he can pull off the win but Soszynski is no sleeper this man is well rounded and if it goes to the ground he is definitely the better fighter there

I agree that Vera has looked pretty bad his last 4 fights or so but Kryrstoff has been knocked out alot in his career. He has a glaring 5 fight losing streak on his record albeit at hw against guys like Rothwell(who ko'd him twice including once 13 seconds in) and Vera is a step up in competition to the guys he has been fighting lately. I hope Krystoff can win because I am not a Vera fan but I suspect vera will win.

Agree that Randy is a pretty big favorite here. I don't think you can use Nog's performance against Mir because he was jacked up with a staph infection shortly before the fight. Unfortunately I don't think that matters much because Randy just knows how to get it done.

I think Silva is a favorite here and will be kind of surprised if he loses. I can't believe he is the betting dog.

I'm with Steve and think Marquardt is underrated. Probably the most underrated guy in the UFC. I would not be surprised to see him steamroll Maia. Maia is sick on the ground, but Nate is so much bigger, stronger, and plain better then the guys he has submitted. I don't know if Maia is ready for Silva, but if he beats Nate I don't see how you can't give him the next shot.

I see Krzysztof taking the fight to Vera and am really rooting for Krzysztof to pull out the W. Tough one to bet though.


Anyone see King Mo is -1500 against Mark Kerr +750. I don't think I have ever seen a line spread like that. Shouldn't be licensed if it is that big a mis-match imo.

Dana White says "were coming" when refering to a June show in Vancouver. So pumped to have a show that is a 3.5 hour drive away. GM place is a awesome arena for sightlines because they had to build it so steep to fit it between 2 viaducts. I am gonna sign up for UFC fightclub to try to get tickets. Thinking of spending $500-600 per. For those to have gone to an eventwhat is the best area to sit in this price range. Would love to sit on the floor but that would set me back a little to much when you consider at least anothe $1000 for the weekend for hotel and other activities.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...71&name=mma

I do like me some Frank Mir


god I hope Maia wins tonight

Does anyone know when and where they are airing the prelims for tonights UFC. Spike seems to be showing Rocky all night on my broadcast.

^ this

that's the next card, September 19th, to combat the Mayweather card. Tonight you're S.O.L. Too bad, some decent fights

Maia gives AS a legitimate new challenge. Cant see it going to much diffrent then the Leites fight though. Cant see Maia taking Anderson down and cant see him wanting to trade on their feet. If Marquart wins its only rematches left for AS at MW. I wonder why they keep burying Okami? A rematch there is probally more intriguing than Hendo or Nate at least on the surface. Must be a contract issue.

10000 empty seats in the Rose Garden is a shame. So many markets hungry for the UFC going here was a bit of a head scratcher.

I know DW is confident in his product and loves what he does, but maybe his confidence is getting to the business sense. I was discussing in the sick thread about how some of the cards are diluted and 103 and 104 should probably be one card and how they are really saturating the market in November. Who knows, maybe they'll start to feel some backlash, buys will be down, attendance will be down and the market might correct itself.

I like the product but this will be the first card I'm buying in a while, I usually just go to my local bar, which was packed the last two events, so maybe I'm talking out of my ass.

I like the Euro events when I go to the bar at 3pm to watch the fights in an empty bar. Too bad those cards are usually suspect.

I guess I'll make some pics
Couture grinds out a boring decision
Maia wins, hopefully by submission (my wish, although it might go the other way)
Vera wins (Krystoff only had a 5 week camp and Vera is a big step up for him)
Silva KO's Jardine

can't remember the 5th fight and too lazy to go look it up

He said the third card in November wont be on Spike or ppv which suggests a new tv partner. He is holding off on a date probally because it will counter Fedor's SF debut. I am all for more cards but not all for more ppv. The $600 or so a year to get most of them is enough already.

Leben/Rosholt in the "why the fuck is this fight on the main card" fight

I have wondered if this really matters as much now with fighters making enough to train full time. I can see needing time to train to fight a certain style, but these guys just don't need the time to get in shape like they used to. Most of the guys, especially the ones making the televised card, are training with partners of varying skills as well. I would think as long as they get their taper period that they are ready to go at just about any time they are called.

Well that was fast. Woooops


Oh, Vera :sigh: That guy is crazy disappointing to watch.

guess I break even

I would've bet against Leben if for no other reason than he dyes his hair and pains his fingernails. Douche

Don't want to comment on the fights yet, in case some people haven't seen them.

But I thought this was a pretty good card overall.

I say if someone is dumb enough to click this thread and not expect results, then they deserve what they get. That being said, I was cautious with what I wrote as well.

But the Maia fight broke my heart.

Good card. Nate showed alot of mercy there. Jardine and his glass jaw, to bad I like the guy. The main event was good. I thought Randy was done a few times. The guy is solid. Nog looked pretty good tonight, takes a fewto many punches but his chin is solid and he is a warrior. If Randy is to continue it has to be at 205. not for a championship run but for some good entertaining fights. I think Vera would be a good match up for AS in his next foray into lhw.

edit: Logan looked smokin hot tonight. even better than Arianny imo.

Anyone else screaming at their tv when Leben tapped? Totally unnecessary for him to go out. The convulsion was sickening.

Bet big Nate, medium on Randy and Vera, small on Jardine. Won money, but for sure thought Vera would look so much better. I think he wasn't letting his hands really fly in order to secure a win and stay in the UFC.

Randy signed a new 28 month, 6 fight deal day of the fight. Pretty cool. Think there is some real interesting stuff for him at 205, but he just seemed smaller tonight. Then again he did give Brock trouble. Who knows.

Lebens tap was late and not very convincing. He didn't make it clear enough that he was tapping and then he passed out right away. I don't think the choker or the ref are at fault, it was Lebens fault.

Couture/Nog lived up to my expectations. Couture got out of some serious trouble at lesat 3 times ( 2 chokes and 1 near KO). Nog looked real good, his reversal was beautiful. I like that Nog tehn called out Lesnar, I could see that being an interesting fight, Nog has a solid chin and has finished bigger guys before.

Yea Lavigne messed that one up. I think he went out as he started to tap but he did have one weak tap.

He tapped twice, and was clearly going out. Tap tap. On the replay I think it's obvious he tapped twice, and the way he did it showed he was almost out. Lavigne is awful. Remember that Matt Brown/Pete Sell fight? This guy is clueless.

good fight, enjoyed the nog and randy fight, thought is was a good battle and randy did well to avoid getting subbed a couple times

maia

Ed Soares says AS wants Marquart and Hendo to fight each other then AS faces the winner. A Hendo/Marquart fight intrests me more than any of the 2 rematches at this point. Gives AS another fight in a higher division too.

Not a real interesting match at 205 for him immediately that I can think of if you exclude Vitor and Lyoto beats Shogun.

If Henderson is a man of his word, he won't take the Nate fight. He's said if they don't give him a title shot at 185 then he will go take bigger fights at 205. If he's at 205 and Rampage loses to Rashad, why can't Hendo be next in line?

Really interesting stuff happens if Randy drops to 205.

I still think AS is thinking about Mir. If not him I would love to see him destroy Vera.

Anderson vs. Vera? Very uninteresting, especially since it's likely we only see three more AS fights, one is Vera, the consummate underachiever? Maybe Mir.

I love that camp, and I like Ed Soares, but it seems to me like he needs to stop using the public as a way of trying to negotiate.

I think it would be entertaining. Two long lean similar strikers(similar in styles but not in ability). I think it would force Vera to be more aggressive instead of sitting back and trying pick his way to a decision. I think AS gets a ko here which would be entertaining.

Argument for an entertaining Anderson KO can be made against anyone in the world. I don't want to see him at 205 unless he fights Shogun for title, or Rampage/Rashad/Randy

I think that was a weak tap...it almost looked like he was about to tap and changed his mind. Completely understand the hesitation.

Leben tap was too late which led to it being very weak. I haven't watched it a second time, but I believe Levigne was on the other side of the action and was not in a position to see the tap. I thought Rosholt looked pretty decent on his feet for such a stand out wrestler. He had good movement and was pretty quick.

Vera does not have the killer instinct to make an exciting fight. It looked like he could have had his way and simply refused to engage. Please do not put him on the main card again until he starts to finish fights when it is obvious he should be.

The Silva fight went about as expected imo. Tailor made opponent for him. Easy to say now, but still can't believe he was the dog in that fight.

Marquardt fight ended as expected....just a little quicker than I thought it would. He is such a beast and would really like to see him get a another shot at ASilva. I think a fight with Hendo to see who gets the next shot at ASilva is fair. Those two are #2 and #3 right now and #4 isn't in the same league as them. Other fighters need to take note of how Marquardt held off on dropping more bombs when he knew Maia was out.

Have to hand it to Big Nog. You knew Randy was going to bring it and neither really disappointed. Big Nog was clearly the better fighter and looked really really good. He took a few too many shots, but that's always been his MO. If he can stay healthy he will be a force for a while. There are not too many HW's that can deal with his ground game. Randy has nothing to be ashamed of. I would love to see him back down at 205.

randy did very well do dodge the subs, i really though nog was gonna get him with the darce

As I stated earlier, I really enjoyed this card.

The new hw Duffee who trains at ATT is a beast. That guy is scary and will present tons of problems for future opponents.

Silva looked great imo. He is underrated right now.

Nate is a stud. I think he has ridiculous talent. A friend and I were talking earlier and he said something brilliant. Nate is phenomonal, but AS is a super hero. I think Nate can with the fight, but AS is sooo hard to beat.

I've never been a "fan" of Randy or Nog. But I thought they both showed a ridiculous amount of heart and talent. I loved watching that fight. Imo that was Randy at his best, and Nog at his best.

Interesting. I thought the opposite. When he got rocked by Mendes, I've thought since that he's been over rated. Mendes is 0-3 since but almost stopped Thiago. The punch he hit Jardine with was pretty weak IMO.. Jardine just can't afford to fight slugfests. He got caught up against the cage and tried to go right through Silva to get off, just asking for it. The KO punch didn't impress me, a fairly weak lead hook that hit him in between the eyes, nowhere close to the chin/jaw.

lets not start sucking his dick yet. We don't know anything about his ground game do we?

agree with all of this. It seemed like a glancing blow at best. May have hit his temple though. I just know I don't want to get hit in the face, with anything, even an open handed slap, from a girl, a pre-teen girl

Here is a Jardine KO gif.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewrite...?urn=mma,186240

Interesting points regarding the Leben/Rosholt fight. Kevin Iole from Yahoo says he thinks Leben possibly could be done with UFC.

Reason I don't think he's done just yet is that the UFC has been gobbling up anyone with a name. All the vets, even Baroni off a loss, they want to take from the competition. I think they will give Leben another televised fight, maybe on Spike, and if he loses his name is worse than it is now and they can really get rid of him with more confidence that he presents a smaller asset to Strikeforce.

I think burying him is a more likely option. Wait the max amount of time then put him on a prelim card. If the guy is serious about continuing on in the sport he should try and make 170. He is always the smaller man at 185 and always looks doughy. I liked Leben as a fighter until the steroid bust.

Even if they are gonna combine the WEC with the UFC they need a bigger roster moving forward. If the monthly ESPN show happens and they continue with Spike live events and all the ppvs they may be spread a little thin. I think thats why they are bringing guys like Trigg and Baroni back to have some name recognition on the free tv cards.

Baroni/Sadolah at 106.