grocery_mony
Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 9:54 AM
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee less than 3 weeks till 100. Actually pumped for the rest of the year with all the good match ups and TUF 10 around the corner.
Ron_Mexico
Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 11:07 AM
after seeing that promo for TUF10, is there any doubt that Kimbo got extra cash for doing this show? He was the promo
grocery_mony
Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 11:26 AM
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 12:07 PM)

after seeing that promo for TUF10, is there any doubt that Kimbo got extra cash for doing this show? He was the promo
Yea no way he didnt get a big chunk from the UFC concidering he could make big scores being the draw for independent shows all over the world. He could be MMA's Butterbean.
jdrury12
Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 9:09 PM
Apparently Dana said that Kimbo gets the same TUF deal as everyone else, but gets WAY more if he gets fights at finale and the future.
Great main card, liked the decisions, but the prelims of Guillard and Blackburn, if anyone has seen the fights, AWFUL decisions. Like..... obv 30-27 the other way to me. I'm still in awe.... It makes you wonder if that has to happen in a monster title fight for the 10 point must system to get seriously looked at with only 3 judges.
grocery_mony
Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 9:33 PM
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 10:09 PM)

Apparently Dana said that Kimbo gets the same TUF deal as everyone else, but gets WAY more if he gets fights at finale and the future.
Great main card, liked the decisions, but the prelims of Guillard and Blackburn, if anyone has seen the fights, AWFUL decisions. Like..... obv 30-27 the other way to me. I'm still in awe.... It makes you wonder if that has to happen in a monster title fight for the 10 point must system to get seriously looked at with only 3 judges.
They need to find the best 3 judges in the business(with an alternate or 2) and pay them alot of money to do the job fulltime. I think right now judges are paid so little that its something they do in there spare time. If you have guys who make a living judging they can dedicate all there time to the sport. Of course if there only 3 judges you know who is judging each fight and opens itself up to some shady shit but if you can get 3 guys and scrutinize there personal lives and even drug test and hook them up to lie detectors regularly you can be pretty safe. Pay them enough that the jobs are highly coveted no one would want to ever risk losing them. Its been the same story with judging in boxing for decades.
Yoda
Friday, June 26th, 2009, 6:23 AM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Monday, June 22nd, 2009, 1:33 AM)

They need to find the best 3 judges in the business(with an alternate or 2) and pay them alot of money to do the job fulltime. I think right now judges are paid so little that its something they do in there spare time. If you have guys who make a living judging they can dedicate all there time to the sport. Of course if there only 3 judges you know who is judging each fight and opens itself up to some shady shit but if you can get 3 guys and scrutinize there personal lives and even drug test and hook them up to lie detectors regularly you can be pretty safe. Pay them enough that the jobs are highly coveted no one would want to ever risk losing them. Its been the same story with judging in boxing for decades.
God
damnit seeing your signature 17 times on a page is fking annoying.
outsider13
Saturday, June 27th, 2009, 7:37 PM
Not sure if anybody saw the Sapp/Lashley fight. Sucked bad, Lashley took him down, gnp, over after 1.5 minutes or so. Sapp tapped again. Lashley is ridiculously huge. There is no way he's off the juice.
coesillian
Saturday, June 27th, 2009, 11:52 PM
grocery_mony
Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 8:58 AM
Saw the UFC countdown show last night. Brock comes off like he is not very smart. He did have a few good lines calling Mazzagatti a "****ing dickhead" and also saying he would like to "punch the moustache off his face". Brock still has alot of holes in his game but he can make that up with his massive size and power. I think Mir has a decent shot. I already have said I like GSP big and have no reason to change that opinion. Alves weakness is on the ground and I am betting GSP can take him down. Bisbing/Hendo is gonna be closer than people think I predict. But when it comes down to it I think Bisbing cant KO Hendo while Hendo can KO Bisbing. I think Hendo will decision him but if it is a close fight I wouldnt be suprised if Bisbing gets the nod. GSP is up to -400 now so if I already didnt have money on him at a lower number(I got -250) I would be hesitant to put any on him at that number now.
irishguy
Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 12:12 PM
I'm looking very forward to the PPV but not sure if I'm going to bet at all. I might take Bisping because I like the line but other then that not sure. I took Mir the last time they fought but got better odds, I still think there are okay prices for him out there but will likely stay away. UFC 101 I'm pretty sure I'm going to put a chunk on Florian though.
grocery_mony
Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 12:29 PM
QUOTE (irishguy @ Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 1:12 PM)

I'm looking very forward to the PPV but not sure if I'm going to bet at all. I might take Bisping because I like the line but other then that not sure. I took Mir the last time they fought but got better odds, I still think there are okay prices for him out there but will likely stay away. UFC 101 I'm pretty sure I'm going to put a chunk on Florian though.
I like Florian but I dont like the .line right now. If he gets closer to +200 I will probally take a shot(provided my sports betting bankroll isnt wiped out next weekend). I am also intrested in Forrest considering his size and heart and Silva's lack of intrest in his last 2 fights. I think Bisbing has a shot a decision. Hendo hasnt looked his best his last few fights but he is a warrior with a chin so I am not betting this to heavy. I think Bisbing is given a bum wrap for his perceived coddeling by the UFC, which does have some validity. Bottom line is he has gon the distance in close fights with Hammil and Rashad. I actually saw the Hammil fight as a draw with Hammil with a 10-8 round and Bisbing with a 10-9 in the 2nd and 3rd. But because Hammil's 1st was so dominating everyone thinks he was robbed.
irishguy
Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 12:39 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 1:29 PM)

I like Florian but I dont like the .line right now. If he gets closer to +200 I will probally take a shot(provided my sports betting bankroll isnt wiped out next weekend). I am also intrested in Forrest considering his size and heart and Silva's lack of intrest in his last 2 fights. I think Bisbing has a shot a decision. Hendo hasnt looked his best his last few fights but he is a warrior with a chin so I am not betting this to heavy. I think Bisbing is given a bum wrap for his perceived coddeling by the UFC, which does have some validity. Bottom line is he has gon the distance in close fights with Hammil and Rashad. I actually saw the Hammil fight as a draw with Hammil with a 10-8 round and Bisbing with a 10-9 in the 2nd and 3rd. But because Hammil's 1st was so dominating everyone thinks he was robbed.
I pretty much agree with all of this. I'm a fan of Henderson but like many coming over from Pride in the last few years he hasn't performed at the same level. I agree with your point earlier about Henderson being able to knock out Bisping but not the other way. The way Henderson's gone the last few years going the distance is possible and certainly theres value in Bisping there.
I haven't put anything think on Florian yet, but def will ad look you just hoping the line gets a little better. I'm noticing some decent lines all the way at UFC 102 too so this could be a full summer of betting for me.
steve7stud
Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 6:07 PM
I'm really excited for 100. Don't think I will have any action on it, so I don't know what the lines are.
Some quick thoughts.
Mir vs Lesnar. I had Mir in the first fight, and never felt so lucky to lock up a win. While Mir looked great in his last fight.......I don't see anyone that is going to stop Lesnar except for Fedor. The guy is just HUGE. Not the brightest guy in the world. But I just can't see anyone stopping him right now. Maybe Carwin or Cane. I think they have as good of a chance as Mir does. However they are both wrestlers and can present different types of problems. In the end, I think Lesnar will win a boring fight against Mir.
GSP vs Alves. I think GSP is a pretty decent favorite. Koscheck was unable to take Alves down, so his takedown defense could be a pretty big factor. Having said that, I think GSP will be able to take him down, and dictate where the fight takes place. I think Alves's only shot is a KO. This could happen, but it's not a likely scenario.
Henderson vs Bisping. This is a pretty even match imo. Bisping is getting better and Henderson is getting worse. Two fighters passing each other at different places in their careers. On the feet I give the advantage to Bisping, even though Hendo has KO power, I don't think he will KO Bisping. If Hendo is smart he will just take Bisping down and lock up a boring decision. If Bisping can keep the fight standing, I see Bisping putting on a bit of a clinic. The word clinic might be strong. But I think Bisping has the ability to pick Hendo apart.
Just my thoughts.....
BigLebowski
Monday, July 6th, 2009, 5:28 AM
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 10:07 PM)

I'm really excited for 100. Don't think I will have any action on it, so I don't know what the lines are.
Some quick thoughts.
Mir vs Lesnar. I had Mir in the first fight, and never felt so lucky to lock up a win. While Mir looked great in his last fight.......I don't see anyone that is going to stop Lesnar except for Fedor. The guy is just HUGE. Not the brightest guy in the world. But I just can't see anyone stopping him right now. Maybe Carwin or Cane. I think they have as good of a chance as Mir does. However they are both wrestlers and can present different types of problems. In the end, I think Lesnar will win a boring fight against Mir.
GSP vs Alves. I think GSP is a pretty decent favorite. Koscheck was unable to take Alves down, so his takedown defense could be a pretty big factor. Having said that, I think GSP will be able to take him down, and dictate where the fight takes place. I think Alves's only shot is a KO. This could happen, but it's not a likely scenario.
Henderson vs Bisping. This is a pretty even match imo. Bisping is getting better and Henderson is getting worse. Two fighters passing each other at different places in their careers. On the feet I give the advantage to Bisping, even though Hendo has KO power, I don't think he will KO Bisping. If Hendo is smart he will just take Bisping down and lock up a boring decision. If Bisping can keep the fight standing, I see Bisping putting on a bit of a clinic. The word clinic might be strong. But I think Bisping has the ability to pick Hendo apart.
Just my thoughts.....
Lesnar/Mir will not be a boring fight. No chance. Lesnar will be non-stop until he wins or he gases. I do think he will be more cautious of going to the ground with Mir, but that will only marginally slow him down.
I think Alves has a better chance of beating GSP than anyone he has faced in....well, forever. BJ might be the exception, but after their last fight I think BJ is just too small even given his talent. Besides a haymaker punch a la Serra, GSP has not fought someone with the KO power of Alves in years. I think we will see a very cautious GSP for the first couple of rounds. If GSP has trouble taking Alves down it could make for a very interesting fight. I hope Alves brings a topped off gas tank.
I really despise Bisping, but the kid can fight. They are definitely at passing points in their careers, but I would like to see Hendo take this one. Brutal KO if possible. I just don't think Bisping is going to get into a war with Hendo and that could be Hendo's only chance. Bisping will pick him apart on the feet.
rjkdb8
Monday, July 6th, 2009, 10:04 AM
I wonder if Alves' weight will be an issue. I know he was no where close when he fought Hughes, and I believe he has missed it once before as well. Someone told me that he can show up on fight night weighing 200. . .not sure if that's true but regardless i think his cardio has to be a factor if he is cutting that much.
Ron_Mexico
Monday, July 6th, 2009, 2:22 PM
QUOTE (rjkdb8 @ Monday, July 6th, 2009, 2:04 PM)

I wonder if Alves' weight will be an issue. I know he was no where close when he fought Hughes, and I believe he has missed it once before as well. Someone told me that he can show up on fight night weighing 200. . .not sure if that's true but regardless i think his cardio has to be a factor if he is cutting that much.
It's true. He's 187 right now (allegedly) and will make the late push, then balloon back up to close to 200. He's saying that he's actually a tad ahead of his normal cut pace. Article on Yahoo's MMA page
Those kinds of cuts can affect him if it gets to the championship rounds, which GSP will be sure to try and exploit
grocery_mony
Monday, July 6th, 2009, 3:36 PM
If Alves doesnt make weight causing the fight to not be for the championship he should be hidden in prelims till his contract expires.
BigLebowski
Tuesday, July 7th, 2009, 7:11 AM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Monday, July 6th, 2009, 7:36 PM)

If Alves doesnt make weight causing the fight to not be for the championship he should be hidden in prelims till his contract expires.
Given his previous issues I agree with you. However, there is a slightly above zero chance he doesn't make weight for this fight. I just hope he started cutting a month ago so he has gas left in championship rounds.
gatortom64
Tuesday, July 7th, 2009, 11:00 AM
Lesnar-Mir 2 more than strength vs. skill
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By Mike Harris
Sherdog.com
The first clash between heavyweights Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir at UFC 81 in February 2008 was widely viewed as a contest pitting strength against skill.
Indeed, the fight bore out those views from the get-go. The 265-pound Lesnar, a former NCAA national wrestling champion and WWE superstar, overwhelmed the smaller Mir with sheer brute power, took him to the mat and ferociously grounded and pounded him.
In fact, the beating was a bit too ferocious in the view of referee Steve Mazzagatti, who stopped Lesnar's attack and penalized the UFC newcomer one point for punching Mir in the back of the head. When the fight resumed, Lesnar lost his momentum, allowing the more experienced Mir (12-3) to deftly use his black belt jiu-jitsu skills to submit the bigger man with a kneebar at 1 minute, 30 seconds of the first round.
The two will meet again inside the Octagon on Saturday in a heavyweight unification rematch atop the superstacked UFC 100 card at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas.
Expect another classic matchup of strength versus skill, right? Perhaps. But in Mir's estimation, that's an oversimplification.
“
One thing everybody always talks about is my skill versus Brock's power. That's kinda funny in that it's a real simple way of looking at it, because honestly, if I go to the athletic club down the street, I'll be hard-pressed to find many guys in the gym who are stronger than I am.
” -- Frank Mir
"One thing everybody always talks about is my skill versus Brock's power," Mir said. "That's kinda funny in that it's a real simple way of looking at it, because honestly, if I go to the athletic club down the street, I'll be hard-pressed to find many guys in the gym who are stronger than I am.
"And I guarantee you that Brock is not that unknowledgeable about jiu-jitsu or grappling. He has had the ability to train with world-class guys every day now for the last couple of years."
Lesnar (3-1), the UFC's heavyweight champion, thinks he is better trained, too.
"I think I've improved dramatically since my first venture of even thinking of getting into MMA," said Lesnar, 31, who trains at Greg Nelson's Minnesota Martial Arts Academy in Brooklyn Center, Minn. "I bill myself as a fighter now, and I want to evolve and make myself a well-rounded fighter. So obviously, I'm not going to leave any stone unturned when it comes to submissions, submission defense, striking, knees, leg kicks and also learning to defend everything."
Given Lesnar's wrestling pedigree, Mir said it's no secret where his chief strength as a fighter lies. "The wrestling area is pretty much the dominant area," he said.
However, Mir noted he saw improvements elsewhere during in Lesnar's past two fights -- both victories -- against Heath Herring and Randy Couture.
"I also saw that his boxing was very successful, so I look to see that in the fight [on Saturday]," said Mir, who has trained for the fight at Robert Drysdale's Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Ken Hahn's Striking Unlimited gyms in Las Vegas.
Lesnar became the heavyweight champion in his technical knockout win over Couture at UFC 91 in November. Mir secured the interim heavyweight title in a TKO victory over Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 92 in December.
Despite Lesnar's ever-improving grappling, Mir does not expect him "to be playing a jiu-jitsu game, where he takes me down and passes my guard and looks for a submission. I just think he's gonna [try] to take me down, look to establish a very dominant controlled position somewhere against the cage and rain down punches, use his size and power to his greatest advantage."
Mir noted that for a big man, Lesnar moves with great speed and agility.
"There were times [during the first fight] when I was in the ground that I lost him," Mir said. "I was, like, 'He's on my right side. He's punching me. … Where'd he go?'"
As for his own game plan, Mir revealed that in training, he would find ways to outmaneuver Lesnar's fighting style, which Mir's sparring partners tried to mimic.
"I can't really go head-to-head [with Lesnar]," he said. "It's not the smartest game plan in the world."
Because he's eager to learn, Lesnar feels his striking and ground game have improved markedly since he started competing in MMA in 2007. He considers himself very coachable.
"I could have been very pigheaded when I made this transition from a former pro wrestler to an ultimate fighter and said, 'Well, I'm just gonna use my wrestling technique and my strength and speed,'" Lesnar said. "That would have been very ignorant of me."
Lesnar admits the desire to pay back Mir for his loss at UFC 81 remains a significant motivation.
"Revenge is a key factor here for me," he said.
Lesnar, however, brushed aside talk that he and Mir do not like each other.
"I don't dislike Frank in any way, other than he's got a win over me," Lesnar said. "And I don't like to lose."
Mir echoed Lesnar's sentiments.
"If there's any animosity, I think probably … it's that neither one of us feels like maybe we have the same amount of respect we should have and what we want to attain right now in the heavyweight division," Mir said.
Mir's jiu-jitsu coach, Drysdale, started training the interim champion for the Lesnar rematch a few weeks after Mir's past fight -- the victory over Nogueira that earned him the interim heavyweight belt.
"Frank's looking leaner, faster, and his ground game has improved a lot," said Drysdale, an Abu Dhabi Combat Club Submission Wrestling world champion. "Brock makes a mistake, he's gonna get tapped. If I were Brock, I'd be very, very careful in taking Frank down."
Drysdale thinks that Hahn, Mir's striking coach, has helped him improve that skill since the Nogueira fight.
"The Frank that is fighting Lesnar is a much better striker than the Frank that fought Nogueira," Drysdale said.
That says a lot, considering he stopped Nogueira, a man who had never been finished before. Even so, going into UFC 100, oddsmakers favor Lesnar, and Mir finds himself an underdog again.
Mike Harris is a contributor to Sherdog.com.
irishguy
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 4:48 AM
Nice article. It's good to see two guys not coming off as complete dicks before a fight.
jdrury12
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 5:32 AM
I bet Bisping when he came out at +285 but hedged some on current Hendo line of -230. On GSP and like him vs. anyone at 170 at -250, dont know what the current line is, though. He could get KO'd trying to get inside for a shot, so hopefully he will be able to put him away when he gets him down and doesn't have to survive five rounds without getting caught. The Bisping fight worries me, I've always hated him but we will see what happens, I think it's easy to say it will be a very close decision either way, and Henderson might be able to score a few takedowns to squeeze the decision. I have no money on Mir vs. Brock, I find myself being able to see so many things happen between Mir trying to take it deep to gas Brock, but how can he do it when he can't even hold him in his guard, or will Brock try to stay standing, and if so what happens? Also really looking forward to Akiyama vs. Belcher, but have no money on that either.
irishguy
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 7:22 AM
If anyone knows a good link please share it. The tvu one has cut out the last few ppv's and I've had to struggle to find something somewhat workable.
Ron_Mexico
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 11:29 AM
QUOTE (irishguy @ Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 11:22 AM)

If anyone knows a good link please share it. The tvu one has cut out the last few ppv's and I've had to struggle to find something somewhat workable.
It's UFC100. Buy the damn thing
coesillian
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 2:07 PM
QUOTE (irishguy @ Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 11:22 AM)

If anyone knows a good link please share it. The tvu one has cut out the last few ppv's and I've had to struggle to find something somewhat workable.
This forum,
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/boxing-fighting/ , has a thread called "boxing and fighting this week" that post links to the online streams. Usually its a link to MMATV via either TVU, TVANTS or SOPCAST but sometimes they have other hosts as well. If ever one dies on me another software alwasy has it working.
grocery_mony
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 3:04 PM
Yea I am done with finding streams. The last one in Germany about 7 of them got shut down throughout the event. Most events are worth buying these days but I dont get the overseas tappe delayed ones with weak cards.
gooch
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 6:28 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 10:33 PM)

They need to find the best 3 judges in the business(with an alternate or 2) and pay them alot of money to do the job fulltime. I think right now judges are paid so little that its something they do in there spare time. If you have guys who make a living judging they can dedicate all there time to the sport. Of course if there only 3 judges you know who is judging each fight and opens itself up to some shady shit but if you can get 3 guys and scrutinize there personal lives and even drug test and hook them up to lie detectors regularly you can be pretty safe. Pay them enough that the jobs are highly coveted no one would want to ever risk losing them. Its been the same story with judging in boxing for decades.
the problem is the judges they use are all boxing judges who have no ide how to judge mma because they have never fought or trained in the sport
gooch
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 6:30 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Sunday, July 5th, 2009, 9:58 AM)

Bisbing/Hendo is gonna be closer than people think I predict. But when it comes down to it I think Bisbing cant KO Hendo while Hendo can KO Bisbing. I think Hendo will decision him but if it is a close fight I wouldnt be suprised if Bisbing gets the nod.
i just hope dan comes out with a better game plan than "load up the right and throw it whenever you are close"
grocery_mony
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 6:41 PM
QUOTE (gooch @ Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 7:30 PM)

i just hope dan comes out with a better game plan than "load up the right and throw it whenever you are close"
Yea that Palhares fight was brutal to watch.
Wow GSP up to -455 on the site I use. I got in at -250. I could arb it right now and lock in a profit, but I am not gonna. Gotta be getting close to the territory where there is value in Alves though.
gooch
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 9:59 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, July 8th, 2009, 7:41 PM)

Wow GSP up to -455 on the site I use. I got in at -250. I could arb it right now and lock in a profit, but I am not gonna. Gotta be getting close to the territory where there is value in Alves though.
wow that is a shit load of money getting laid on gsp
coesillian
Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 12:07 AM
Gonger
Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 12:14 AM
QUOTE (coesillian @ Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 1:07 AM)

haha thanks for the laugh, rampage is hilarious
BigLebowski
Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 3:39 PM
QUOTE (coesillian @ Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 4:07 AM)

Call me crazy, but that was uncomfortable to watch and not really funny at all.
savagerebel
Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 5:27 PM
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 6:39 PM)

Call me crazy, but that was uncomfortable to watch and not really funny at all.
+1
TRB05
Friday, July 10th, 2009, 2:48 PM
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 6:39 PM)

Call me crazy, but that was uncomfortable to watch and not really funny at all.
Sometimes I find uncomfortableness funny, this was one of those times.
Anyway, Anyone know how long these PPV's last? It is listed for 6.5 hours on my tv guide, is that pretty standard or will it be over earlier? I ask so that I can plan my evening a little better. Thanks, T
grocery_mony
Friday, July 10th, 2009, 3:11 PM
QUOTE (TRB05 @ Friday, July 10th, 2009, 3:48 PM)

Sometimes I find uncomfortableness funny, this was one of those times.
Anyway, Anyone know how long these PPV's last? It is listed for 6.5 hours on my tv guide, is that pretty standard or will it be over earlier? I ask so that I can plan my evening a little better. Thanks, T
They start at 7pm pacific and they go off the air at 10pm. If there is time after the main event they show prelim fights.
TRB05
Friday, July 10th, 2009, 3:14 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Friday, July 10th, 2009, 6:11 PM)

They start at 7pm pacific and they go off the air at 10pm. If there is time after the main event they show prelim fights.
Thanks, so they must replay it immediately on the PPV then?
grocery_mony
Friday, July 10th, 2009, 3:25 PM
QUOTE (TRB05 @ Friday, July 10th, 2009, 4:14 PM)

Thanks, so they must replay it immediately on the PPV then?
Not sure. I guess it depends on the cable system you use. I see if you order off of UFC.COM now they give you free access to all the unaired prelims. I always thought they should offer a full event ppv where you can watch the whole event from begining to end for a few dollars more. There was one event last year where all but 1 of the prelims made it to air before the event was over. But with 2 5 round championship fights on the card if we get to see 1 or 2 of the prelims it would be good.
TRB05
Friday, July 10th, 2009, 3:28 PM
Cool, thanks grocery.
rjkdb8
Friday, July 10th, 2009, 5:59 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Monday, July 6th, 2009, 3:36 PM)

If Alves doesnt make weight causing the fight to not be for the championship he should be hidden in prelims till his contract expires.
I read on junkie that he was apparently chugging water the moment he stepped off the scale. But who knows if that's true. I know his standup is generally regarded as superior to GSP's, but I just don't see him giving him any trouble.
If GSP prevails do you guys think it sets up a superfight against AS? Or are they gonna make Silva fight the winner of Hendo/Bisping?
grocery_mony
Friday, July 10th, 2009, 6:42 PM
QUOTE (rjkdb8 @ Friday, July 10th, 2009, 6:59 PM)

I read on junkie that he was apparently chugging water the moment he stepped off the scale. But who knows if that's true. I know his standup is generally regarded as superior to GSP's, but I just don't see him giving him any trouble.
If GSP prevails do you guys think it sets up a superfight against AS? Or are they gonna make Silva fight the winner of Hendo/Bisping?
Both. If GSP wins I think he will need a longer than usual layoff to add some effective bulk(he has stated this). In the meantime AS can fight the winner of Hendo/Bisbing probally at the end off the year. Of course the fight will lose some luster if AS cant beat Forrest but still would be pretty big. The UFC entrance into the Toronto market is where the fight would take place imo. They would sell 60k seats and gross 10 mill easy there imo for that fight. If GSP wins tommorow there is really nothing left in the division for him. The only fight that was competitive was with Fitch but GSP had a 5 round shut out in that one. Then what Serra 3? Anthony Johnson was approaching top contender status but has had a set back injury wise and personal wise aswell. Everyone else would get dominated. If everything works out this could be yet another fight that elevates the UFC.
rjkdb8
Friday, July 10th, 2009, 8:54 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Friday, July 10th, 2009, 6:42 PM)

Both. If GSP wins I think he will need a longer than usual layoff to add some effective bulk(he has stated this). In the meantime AS can fight the winner of Hendo/Bisbing probally at the end off the year. Of course the fight will lose some luster if AS cant beat Forrest but still would be pretty big. The UFC entrance into the Toronto market is where the fight would take place imo. They would sell 60k seats and gross 10 mill easy there imo for that fight. If GSP wins tommorow there is really nothing left in the division for him. The only fight that was competitive was with Fitch but GSP had a 5 round shut out in that one. Then what Serra 3? Anthony Johnson was approaching top contender status but has had a set back injury wise and personal wise aswell. Everyone else would get dominated. If everything works out this could be yet another fight that elevates the UFC.
Good stuff. If GSP wins and they commit to having him take a shot at Anderson, how terrified will Dana, et al. be at the prospect of Silva losing to the winner of Hendo/Bisping? I mean, it would still be huge either way, but it seems risky to me letting Silva fight someone else after the UFC commits to GSP v Silva.
I'm obviously half joking when I say this, but since putting in some time playing UFC undisputed 2009, I think i have subconsciously gained even more respect for GSP. He is just so ridiculously good on that game, he is almost like a created superfighter. It is just such a pleasure to fight with him. . .pretty much unfair to use him online, imo.
BigLebowski
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 8:43 AM
QUOTE (rjkdb8 @ Friday, July 10th, 2009, 9:59 PM)

I read on junkie that he was apparently chugging water the moment he stepped off the scale. But who knows if that's true.
Most definitely true. Every other fighter along with him FWIW. When you cut 15+ lbs you have to start rehydrating immediately.
I don't see Dana giving GSP to AS right away. I think he needs a couple of smaller MW's to fight before we see the fight with AS. Who knows though...they may go for the jugular right away.
Ron_Mexico
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 8:48 AM
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 12:43 PM)

Most definitely true. Every other fighter along with him FWIW. When you cut 15+ lbs you have to start rehydrating immediately.
I don't see Dana giving GSP to AS right away. I think he needs a couple of smaller MW's to fight before we see the fight with AS. Who knows though...they may go for the jugular right away.
definitely not He wins and Silva wins, I'm nearly positive that GSP v Silva is the next fight. He won't want to chance GSP getting beat by a lesser MW. (nearly positive means I'm speculating out of my ass and going off of what I read)
king_tanner
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 11:55 AM
I'll be forking over the $45 on ppv for this.
grocery_mony
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 1:45 PM
On Bisbing, Mir and huge on GSP. So pumped for tonight but I am on call for work so I have my fingers crossed not to get called away. Enjoy the fights everyone and GL for those with action.
Some really good news for us Western Canadians and anyone in the Pacific Northwest of the US.
http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15208I am so there if it goes down. The problem is though Vancouver city council still hasnt approved MMA in the city. Vancouver has historically had far left councils so it scares me that some bleeeding hearts would hold up a major event like this.
Rampage dry humping Dana!
bdc30
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 6:42 PM
Just me or was that one of the worst decisions I've ever seen in UFC? What blind judge scored it 30-27 for the japanese guy????
bdc30
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 8:22 PM
Also, what a dick lesnar is.
king_tanner
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 9:17 PM
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 9:22 PM)

Also, what a dick lesnar is.
This is my first UFC PPV I've seen, and I thought it was freaking awesome. Brock Lesnar is the man in my book. Why shouldn't he flip off the crowd when they are booing him? Also, I'm definitely ok with his bad sportsmanship after the fight. Mir was talking a lot of shit before the fight, why should Brock shake his hand and be grateful afterwards? I don't see it as bad sportsmanship, I see it as Mir being held accountable for his shittalk.
Awesome Lesnar quotes:
"I'm going to drink a COORS LIGHT!!! Because Bud Light won't pay me."
"I might even get on top of my wife tonight!!!"
Also, I counted 8 punches after Mir was out that the ref let the fight go on. Seemed a little ridiculous.
Velkro
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 9:19 PM
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 12:22 AM)

Also, what a dick lesnar is.
Superdick. I had no opinion of him until tonight. But that just really made me hate him.
Velkro
Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 9:22 PM
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 10:42 PM)

Just me or was that one of the worst decisions I've ever seen in UFC? What blind judge scored it 30-27 for the japanese guy????
Had no issue with the final result, but definitely not a 30-27.
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