grocery_mony
Monday, October 29th, 2007, 10:02 PM
Just heard on the Bubba the Love Sponge show that he ran into Dan Henderson this weekend and the plan is to move him down to 185 to fight Silva in the new year. Now that would be outstanding.
steve7stud
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 5:08 AM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Monday, October 29th, 2007, 10:02 PM)

Just heard on the Bubba the Love Sponge show that he ran into Dan Henderson this weekend and the plan is to move him down to 185 to fight Silva in the new year. Now that would be outstanding.
That's defininitely the right idea.
ShakeZuma
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 5:10 AM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 1:02 AM)

Just heard on the Bubba the Love Sponge show that he ran into Dan Henderson this weekend and the plan is to move him down to 185 to fight Silva in the new year. Now that would be outstanding.
whoa. that would be awesome.
Canuckickstan
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 7:38 AM
I just got this e-mail.
KDawgCometh
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 10:27 AM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 1:02 AM)

Just heard on the Bubba the Love Sponge show that he ran into Dan Henderson this weekend and the plan is to move him down to 185 to fight Silva in the new year. Now that would be outstanding.
I wouldn't take what he says too seriously. Hendo has said that he doesn't want to drop down, and he only has 1 fight left on his contract. If you see Hendo sign for a 3-5 fight contract, then we can start guessing as to what weight class he'll be in, but with only 1 fight left, and not being resigned, he's not getting a title shot
BigLebowski
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 2:16 PM
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 10:27 AM)

but with only 1 fight left, and not being resigned, he's not getting a title shot
Agreed. It would be nice to see though.
I can't believe Lesnar can actually make the weight limit. That boy seems pretty massive. New heavyweights with any kind of experience is a good thing. The UFC needs it badly right now.
Curious to see if the UFC tries to throw Randy under the bus or maybe kiss a little arse to get him back.
bdc30
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 3:40 PM
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 2:16 PM)

Curious to see if the UFC tries to throw Randy under the bus or maybe kiss a little arse to get him back.
Dana White will not be kissing ANYONE'S as
s for any reason, imho.
grocery_mony
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 3:59 PM
Did anyone see the press confrence? i cant see any mention of it on there website anymore.
ShakeZuma
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 4:18 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 7:59 PM)

Did anyone see the press confrence? i cant see any mention of it on there website anymore.
found this off of sherdog
http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Very-Detailed-R...a-Fertitta.html
KDawgCometh
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 4:53 PM
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 5:16 PM)

Agreed. It would be nice to see though.
I can't believe Lesnar can actually make the weight limit. That boy seems pretty massive. New heavyweights with any kind of experience is a good thing. The UFC needs it badly right now.
Curious to see if the UFC tries to throw Randy under the bus or maybe kiss a little arse to get him back.
Lesnar will make weight. When he was in the WWE, he was generally between 280-300 and had significantly bulked up from when he was in the developmental OVW, and he was bigger in OVW then he was his last year at Minnesota. He's a bit smaller now and he fought smaller when he did that fight in LA. He's probably around 275-280 right now, so he can easily make weight. If Lesnar is able to translate his immense wrestling ability to MMA, I have a feeling that he could very well be a dominant champ
BigLebowski
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 7:09 PM
Agreed, a guy that big with some skills will be very very hard to beat with the current talent.
steve7stud
Wednesday, October 31st, 2007, 1:11 AM
QUOTE (ShakeZuma @ Tuesday, October 30th, 2007, 4:18 PM)

Read the link earlier. Just wanted to say thanks for posting it. I love hearing details about this kind of stuff.
bdc30
Thursday, November 1st, 2007, 10:12 PM
The more I watch the Ultimate Fighter reality show, the more I enjoy it. Hughes getting pwned probably helps. lol
Influcted
Friday, November 2nd, 2007, 5:19 AM
TUF has a bad influence on the crowd. And mostly of the posters at Sherdog.
grocery_mony
Friday, November 2nd, 2007, 4:20 PM
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, November 2nd, 2007, 3:12 AM)

The more I watch the Ultimate Fighter reality show, the more I enjoy it. Hughes getting pwned probably helps. lol
I hope Serra kicks his ass in December. Lookin forward to see "war machine" fight next week. Some of the team Hughes fighters from this season are now training with Serra for the ultimate finale. Shows you how much Hughes really put into this season.
KDawgCometh
Friday, November 2nd, 2007, 7:14 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Friday, November 2nd, 2007, 7:20 PM)

I hope Serra kicks his ass in December. Lookin forward to see "war machine" fight next week. Some of the team Hughes fighters from this season are now training with Serra for the ultimate finale. Shows you how much Hughes really put into this season.
I think Hughes has put a lot into this season, I just don't know if he's actually a good coach. Serra is a very good coach and has a great track record of being a good teacher. He's had a bunch of his guys do well at the NAGAs and we've seen several of his guys from Serra/Gracie end up in the UFC. Serra was one of the first american black belts in BJJ(as in pure americans and not brazilians that made their way to america to finish off their black belt). I'm also not sure that Hughes' style of teaching works for that many people too, so I can see why a bunch of fighters wouldn't want to train under him
steve7stud
Saturday, November 3rd, 2007, 2:09 AM
Here are my thoughts on coaching.
Hughes has really only trained with Millitech to my knowledge. He was a wrestler who became a fighter. Just because he was or is a good fighter, does not mean that he can coach well. I'm not saying that he can or can't. It's honestly hard for me to say because I'm not there. But his team doesn't seem to like him all that much. And the results certainly are not his favor.
Serra on the other hand has his own school and is a teacher as well as fighter. I personally like Serra a lot. I've said this before, but I think he genuinely cares about his students and his team.
Matt really only seems to care about winning. Doesn't seem to have much concern for his students progression. Sad but true.
Interstingly enough, I just rented the 1st season of TUF and watched Chuck coach. I had seeen it before but decided to watch it again. Chuck didn't seem like a great coach either. If you watch the shows, he is rarely on the mat with his guys, whereas Randy always was.
I wonder what line is going to be on the Hughes vs. Serra fight.......
grocery_mony
Tuesday, November 6th, 2007, 7:31 PM
Lesnar vs Frank Mir feb.2
Anyone know if ufc 80 in England is free? Cant imagine too many people paying for this tape delayed if the main event is Penn vs Stephenson.
Influcted
Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 4:06 AM
That is actually a pretty good fight Grocery.
grocery_mony
Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 11:48 AM
QUOTE (Influcted @ Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 9:06 AM)

That is actually a pretty good fight Grocery.
I know its a good fight but to sell ppv especially tape delayed ones there should be some bigger names to get the casual buys. I was just hopin to save $40
Canuckickstan
Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 12:22 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 12:48 PM)

I know its a good fight but to sell ppv especially tape delayed ones there should be some bigger names to get the casual buys. I was just hopin to save $40

The last one from England aired at 1pm that day live. (I think)
Influcted
Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 12:36 PM
I have a link to watch it live, PM me if you need it.
grocery_mony
Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 8:00 PM
Best fight of the year so far on TUF tonight. They are replaying it tommorow.
BigLebowski
Thursday, November 8th, 2007, 2:19 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 11:00 PM)

Best fight of the year so far on TUF tonight. They are replaying it tommorow.
Everyone I talked to has said this and although I can't argue a ton I think they both gassed extremely early. Can you imagine the lay and pray we would have seen in a round 3?
grocery_mony
Thursday, November 8th, 2007, 4:06 PM
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Thursday, November 8th, 2007, 2:19 PM)

Everyone I talked to has said this and although I can't argue a ton I think they both gassed extremely early. Can you imagine the lay and pray we would have seen in a round 3?
Yea war was pretty much spent after round 1. He just about fell over when he missed that leg kick early in round 2. But they both showed a ton of heart battling it out on the ground not giving in. I think thats the most blood Ive seen since Babalu last UFC fight.
ShakeZuma
Friday, November 9th, 2007, 3:14 AM
I tell you what was impressive to me about that fight was that they built up how strong that one guy for the whole episode, like he was he-man or something, so you figured it was probably all crap. but watching that fight it really looked like he was that strong. war machine just looked kinda helpless even before he gassed. problem is, being strong won't take you all that far. eventually you have to have skill, and that guy didn't look very technical at all.
Influcted
Friday, November 9th, 2007, 6:47 AM
That was a sick and bloody fight. War Machine really lived up to his nickname.
grocery_mony
Friday, November 9th, 2007, 6:03 PM
Anyone seen any odds anywhere for next weeks ppv? Ive tried pinnacle and sportsbook and still dont see anything.
BigLebowski
Friday, November 9th, 2007, 7:55 PM
sportsinteraction always has a few fights up > 1 week before
ol'number7
Saturday, November 10th, 2007, 11:50 AM
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Friday, November 9th, 2007, 7:55 PM)

sportsinteraction always has a few fights up > 1 week before
thanks for the tip -- my book usually waits til wednesday before he posts
I must say I am very surprised at the Serra & Bisping lines, didn't think the favorites would be that high, Liddell/Silva looks about right, I'm leaning towards Silva a little bit there...
Boxing UFC Refresh Loading betting Saturday, November 17, 2007
22:00 UFC 78 - Michael Bisping v Rashad Evans Price Price Michael Bisping +250 Rashad Evans -400 Thursday, November 29, 2007
22:00 UFC 79 - Matt Serra v Matt Hughes Price Price Matt Serra +200 Matt Hughes -303 22:00 UFC 79 - Wanderlei Silva v Chuck Liddell Price Price Wanderlei Silva -111 Chuck Liddell -125
PrtyPSux
Friday, November 16th, 2007, 10:19 PM
I just bet 1k on tomorrows fights.....This is the only time I've made a couple of bets that I was unsure of, mainly on Fisher and Doerksen...
Anyway I listed my bets
on my blog so check em out, let me know what you think. From my experience its rare that 2 dogs dont win in one card, so I actually liked a lot of these dogs, except Charo and Bisbing (who I can't stand), so I think I should break even/win decent unless I was just totally off on my picks.
grocery_mony
Friday, November 16th, 2007, 10:50 PM
Love the price you got for Charo. For awhile I was thinking of taking the +250 with Bisbing but really his last 2 fights havent been good and hes got rocked both times so i also think staying away is best(I dont think I would ever bet a -360 favorite in the UFC.) I am taking alexander though, you make a good point about having only 2 minutes of UFC expirience, and Silva wont be a pushover, but Alexander just seems to be a stud to me. If Alexander does win I would love to see a Alexander/Rampage fight in the spring. If that matchup happens I might have to get tickets to my first live UFC fight(only if its in Vegas though).
Influcted
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 6:54 AM
Can't wait for Edgar vs Fisher, way better fight then Bisping vs Evans.
And UFC 79 IS A SICK, SICK Card.
UFC Welterweight Champion Matt Serra (9-4) vs. Matt Hughes (41-5)
205 lbs.: Chuck Liddell (20-5) vs. Wanderlei Silva (31-7-1)
205 lbs.: Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (4-1) vs. Lyoto Machida (11-0)
155 lbs.: Rich Clementi (28-12-1) vs. Melvin Guillard (20-6-2)*
155 lbs.: Manny Gamburyan (5-2) vs. Nate Mohr (8-4)*
185 lbs.: Dean Lister (9-5) vs. Jordan Radev (11-2)*
170 lbs.: Roan Carneiro (11-6) vs. Tony DeSouza (10-3)*
Hvywt.: Eddie Sanchez (7-1) vs. Soa Palalei (8-1)*
155 lbs.: Doug Evans (5-1) vs. Mark Bocek (4-1)*
Can't ****ing wait for Sokoudjou vs Machida and Wanderlei KTFO'ing Chuck. What a sick card.
Yesterday was Strikeforce. Pure domination by Alistair vs Buentello.
Influcted
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 6:55 AM
Oh, and if anyone wants to watch UFC 78 for free, pm me.
BigLebowski
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 5:35 PM
JC, the only bet I really don't like is Silva. It's not good odds and betting against Alexander is a mistake at this point. I think you clear a nice profit with the others though. I hate to see Lauzon lose, but I would have put another $200 on Reinhardt. I think those odds are too good to pass up.
grocery_mony
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 6:03 PM
QUOTE (Influcted @ Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 6:55 AM)

Oh, and if anyone wants to watch UFC 78 for free, pm me.
I went to that site and there was no place to register. It just had a place to sign in a username and pw. Maybe no new users?
PrtyPSux
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 6:19 PM
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 12:35 AM)

JC, the only bet I really don't like is Silva. It's not good odds and betting against Alexander is a mistake at this point. I think you clear a nice profit with the others though. I hate to see Lauzon lose, but I would have put another $200 on Reinhardt. I think those odds are too good to pass up.
I think Silva is more marginal that people think....I saw Houston fight Jardine live, and he was a sicko but jardine did drop him at first, so we know his chin isn't amazing, Thiago's is, at the same time Thiago is a BJJ blackbelt I believe and if Houston's take down defense isn't world class he might get punished on the ground. I think that if Silva comes in with a game plan he has a shot, if he comes in with a tito ego and decides to stand up and brawl it might be tougher for him. Then again, we really don't know if Houston is a well rounded beast, so he might be able to crush silva in all aspects. All in all I think it'll be a better fight than people like performity think (he says it'll be another 1 minute fight), unless Thiago is ridiculously stupid this fight *should* go more than 1 round.
grocery_mony
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 6:46 PM
Kinda weird both sportsbook and pinnacle arent spreading this card.
grocery_mony
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 7:07 PM
Anyone else getting Spanish anouncers?
PrtyPSux
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 8:11 PM
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 5:50 AM)

Love the price you got for Charo. For awhile I was thinking of taking the +250 with Bisbing but really his last 2 fights havent been good and hes got rocked both times so i also think staying away is best(I dont think I would ever bet a -360 favorite in the UFC.) I am taking alexander though, you make a good point about having only 2 minutes of UFC expirience, and Silva wont be a pushover, but Alexander just seems to be a stud to me. If Alexander does win I would love to see a Alexander/Rampage fight in the spring. If that matchup happens I might have to get tickets to my first live UFC fight(only if its in Vegas though).
I meant Chonan, It looks like I'm getting swept for the whole G ball if I dont get two upsets right now..
PrtyPSux
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 8:56 PM
QUOTE (PrtyPSux @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 1:19 AM)

I think Silva is more marginal that people think....I saw Houston fight Jardine live, and he was a sicko but jardine did drop him at first, so we know his chin isn't amazing, Thiago's is, at the same time Thiago is a BJJ blackbelt I believe and if Houston's take down defense isn't world class he might get punished on the ground. I think that if Silva comes in with a game plan he has a shot, if he comes in with a tito ego and decides to stand up and brawl it might be tougher for him. Then again, we really don't know if Houston is a well rounded beast, so he might be able to crush silva in all aspects. All in all I think it'll be a better fight than people like performity think (he says it'll be another 1 minute fight), unless Thiago is ridiculously stupid this fight *should* go more than 1 round.
BigLebowski
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 9:05 PM
and this folks is why i don't bet on sports
PrtyPSux
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 9:39 PM
these are the worst fights I've seen in a looong time,....I mean the herman fight was alright and the Thiago fight was decent but nothing was that great imo....looking forward to 79 being way better than this.
BigLebowski
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 10:11 PM
agreed...pretty boring card.
Silva and Lauzon looked really good. That sub by Gono was sick. Not sure how one of the judges could have given Bisping that fight.
grocery_mony
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 10:17 PM
bleh pretty pathetic card. I think Evans and Bisbing both proved that they dont belong with the elite at 205. Wtf was Alexander doing wanting to grapple instead of doing what got him there and letting his hands and legs go?
KDawgCometh
Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 10:22 PM
jc, this is why you should always PM me with a day or two's notice on who to bet on. not sayin, but just sayin. To be honest, I'd have bet a lot against alexander, he's older and hasn't really faced the talent of silva. Nothing riding on it, and I thought that silva was the man before the fight, and he proived it big time.
Evans/Bisping was easily the hardest to call fight and IMO that fight was a draw.Yes, Rashad took him down, but, he did zero damage and bisping was generally able to get right back up. To me, that was a draw fight as bisping did a lot of damange and while Evans was able to make the takedowns, he did jack shit from advantageous positions
HoosierAlum
Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 12:47 PM
My thoughts on the card last night:
Obviously extremely boring.
-Alexander came into this fight waaay overrated (by myself included) and for the people that bet Silva, they got OUTSTANDING value. He was clearly the better fighter, as all you have to do is withstand the initial fury and get Houston on the ground and it becomes gg. In this fight, Houston didn't even have an "initial fury" as he was very passive and tentative.
-I hate watching Evans fight. His fight against Tito was boring as hell as well, and the only reason he got a draw there was b/c Tito grabbed the cage. This fight was boring as shit too and imo was a clear draw.
-I bet a lot on Alexander and I am pissed.
Very excited for 79 though and I will be ringside for sure!
Jadaki
Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 7:43 PM
Most disappointing card I have probably ever seen.
More Joe Lauzon please, kid is a fu
cking beast.
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 12:22 AM)

Evans/Bisping was easily the hardest to call fight and IMO that fight was a draw.Yes, Rashad took him down, but, he did zero damage and bisping was generally able to get right back up. To me, that was a draw fight as bisping did a lot of damange and while Evans was able to make the takedowns, he did jack shit from advantageous positions
My biggest problem with MMA is the scoring system, wrestlers seem to have an inherent advantage because takedowns get looked at so favorably. Evans had lots of takedowns but for the most part Bisping really avoided any major damage and got up the most of the time. I think Evans did a slightly better job of controlling the octagon and generally being the more aggressive fighter, so I don't really have a problem with him getting the win.
Jadaki
Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 7:54 PM
HoosierAlum
Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 10:10 PM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 9:54 PM)

Silva will dominate obv
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