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grocery_mony
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 7:13 PM) *
I had no action on this card, but I was pretty excited to see it.

Kudos to Edgar for winning his fight. He had a great gameplan. On paper it made a lot of sense to bet Sherk. Everything that Edgar does, Sherk does better. Nice to see Edgar use footwork to win. Smart kid.

Serra and Hughes fight was pretty lame. It went about how I expected it to go. But I think Serra needed to go for broke a lot more with his punches. I guess it's tough due to his lack of reach. Hughes looked horrible. I hope that he does get rematches with GSP and Alves, I would do very well on those fights.

Machida is a freakin beast. It's funny, even though I didn't have any action on him, I was very nervous for some reason. So glad to see him get the KO. Rashad did not seem to have a gameplan which is odd coming from his camp.

People are speculating that Machida vs Rampage will be a good fight. I definitely disagree. I see Machida destroying Rampage. Machida is way too quick and has fierce leg kicks, as well as head kicks. I liked Evans against Rampage if they were to fight. And even though MMA math doesn't always add up. I see Rampage bringing nothing to the table.

Rampage can only win by getting inside on Machida, and I just can't see that happening. It's a VERY one sided fight imo.

Rashad actually showed discipline for the first round and a half and stayed away from attacking in Machida's wheelhouse. I dont see Rampage doing the same. I dont think it will be a striker that takes down Machida, it will probally be a BJJ guy. Remember Tito just about pulled off that miracle armbar late in the third.
bdc30
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 10:13 PM) *
I hope that he does get rematches with GSP and Alves, I would do very well on those fights.


Gl fading the -2500(0?) odds that would ensue wink.gif
irishguy
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 7:13 PM) *
People are speculating that Machida vs Rampage will be a good fight. I definitely disagree. I see Machida destroying Rampage. Machida is way too quick and has fierce leg kicks, as well as head kicks. I liked Evans against Rampage if they were to fight. And even though MMA math doesn't always add up. I see Rampage bringing nothing to the table.

Rampage can only win by getting inside on Machida, and I just can't see that happening. It's a VERY one sided fight imo.


I don't know if it's speculating Machida vs Rampage as being a good fight as much as it being the opponent with the best chance at the moment. I agree Rampage's only shot would be getting inside and I also agree that it;s not likely to happen but I can't think of another 205'er at the moment who would fair better than Rampage.

I was close on Evans vs Rampage leaning towards Evans but as disappointing as I thought Rampage was vs Jardine at least he seems to be trying to adapt his game, work more on wrestling etc. I thought Evans would've had the best shot in the division vs Machida but really didn't seem to have much of a game plan which like you I expected coming from his camp.
jdrury12
QUOTE (irishguy @ Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 4:15 PM) *
I was close on Evans vs Rampage leaning towards Evans but as disappointing as I thought Rampage was vs Jardine at least he seems to be trying to adapt his game, work more on wrestling etc. I thought Evans would've had the best shot in the division vs Machida but really didn't seem to have much of a game plan which like you I expected coming from his camp.

Not sure I agree with Rampage adapting. Forrest took his title with leg kicks and he almost lost to Jardine when he didn't even check the leg kicks. Also, Jackson and Evans have said that they were setting up their game plan for the later rounds but didn't make it, I don't think it's fair to say they didn't have a game plan when the fight was ended halfway through the second.
steve7stud
Any fighter can lose on any given day if he gets ko'd or submitted. I don't see Machida getting submitted, for some reason I just don't. His chin has never truly been tested, so obviously that is the x factor. If he gets hit square, that's when we will see. But it is sooooo hard to hit that guy square.

The truth is, the only guy that can compete with Machida is Anderson Silva. And because they are friends, we won't be seeing that fight. When Chuck was in his prime he might have given Machida a good fight. But Chuck had nowhere near the accuracy that Machida does.



Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 8:03 PM) *
Any fighter can lose on any given day if he gets ko'd or submitted. I don't see Machida getting submitted, for some reason I just don't. His chin has never truly been tested, so obviously that is the x factor. If he gets hit square, that's when we will see. But it is sooooo hard to hit that guy square.

The truth is, the only guy that can compete with Machida is Anderson Silva. And because they are friends, we won't be seeing that fight. When Chuck was in his prime he might have given Machida a good fight. But Chuck had nowhere near the accuracy that Machida does.

Silva and Machida will fight. It's already been discussed and Dana White said "fighters fight"
irishguy
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 4:37 PM) *
Not sure I agree with Rampage adapting. Forrest took his title with leg kicks and he almost lost to Jardine when he didn't even check the leg kicks. Also, Jackson and Evans have said that they were setting up their game plan for the later rounds but didn't make it, I don't think it's fair to say they didn't have a game plan when the fight was ended halfway through the second.


By adapting I meant working more on wrestling, take downs, ground games but I do agree with you on the leg kicks and that was my biggest problem with him the last few fights.

I see your point about the game plan but I heard an interview with him pre fight (filmed at the last ppv) where he talked about it being hard to train for Machida and him hoping to get in there and figure things out as he went. Tough to guage the plan with so little of a time frame though.

Re: Steve. I don't even think Chuck in his prime would've faired that well given his dominance usually came from counter punching and Machida's quick in and out striking while almost keeping the torse leaning back would've been to much to overcome imo. Agreed about Silva, shame it'll never happen.
irishguy
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 5:27 PM) *
Silva and Machida will fight. It's already been discussed and Dana White said "fighters fight"


Both of them have been pretty adament for years about it never happening.
jdrury12
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 7:27 PM) *
Silva and Machida will fight. It's already been discussed and Dana White said "fighters fight"

I think Dana has the pull to make Jardine fight Rashad if Rashad is champ and he offers Keith the title shot. But no matter what, I don't think he can make this happen. Anderson has been pretty careless as to being the good little poster boy that follows Dana's orders. See: Roy Jones Jr. And him retiring. What will Dana do, cut them if they don't fight? Anderson will be happy and they can't stand another Randy-like debacle over this. And if he throws a couple million at them both to do it, I only think they will treat it like a glorified sparring session, making it pointless and setting it up for failure.
steve7stud
Silva and Machida have a ton of pride as fighters. They are both martial artists through and through. Neither one of them has anything to prove to one another. I would be shocked if they fought. It would actually be a bad fight, because they would not want to hurt each other.
AimHigher
Kinda disappointed with this week's episode of TUF.

Faulkner's got no heart. Dude needs to go do a Rocky marathon.
king_tanner
Wow. They played up Dave Faulkner big time, and he ****ing sucked. It seemed like he wasn't even a fighter. Maybe he just wanted to try out MMA to see if he liked it or not.

Bisping is kind of acting like a bitch.
jdrury12
Rumors are Rampage and Rashad will coach TUF and Machida will fight Shogun. WTF?
irishguy
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 6:44 AM) *
Rumors are Rampage and Rashad will coach TUF and Machida will fight Shogun. WTF?


Dana posted somewhere on Sunday or Monday that Rampage vs Machida was next then the next day he posted a pic of him and Shogun and said "big things were coming" he hasn't confirmed anything yet either way.
jdrury12
QUOTE (irishguy @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 9:07 AM) *
Dana posted somewhere on Sunday or Monday that Rampage vs Machida was next then the next day he posted a pic of him and Shogun and said "big things were coming" he hasn't confirmed anything yet either way.

Why can't they have Rampage fight Lyoto in September, when the TUF will debut, and then Rampage fight Rashad in December when TUF's done?
grocery_mony
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 7:38 AM) *
Why can't they have Rampage fight Lyoto in September, when the TUF will debut, and then Rampage fight Rashad in December when TUF's done?

If Rampage loses to Machida then beats Evans it will be tough to give him a title shot again so soon.
jdrury12
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 9:48 AM) *
If Rampage loses to Machida then beats Evans it will be tough to give him a title shot again so soon.

so don't. make him beat forrest or someone. I guess they are doing this as it's the last season on TUF contract and are desperate for ratings. But the system of Machida/Rampage in Sept I like because this method could be the solution to freezing divisions for so long.
irishguy
They just announced Rampage and Rashad as coaches but haven't confirmed Machida vs Shogun yet.

At this point has Shogun really earned the spot?
AimHigher
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 8:15 AM) *
Wow. They played up Dave Faulkner big time, and he ****ing sucked. It seemed like he wasn't even a fighter. Maybe he just wanted to try out MMA to see if he liked it or not.

Bisping is kind of acting like a bitch.


No heart, no cardio. The dude gassed.
AimHigher
QUOTE (irishguy @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 8:14 PM) *
They just announced Rampage and Rashad as coaches but haven't confirmed Machida vs Shogun yet.

At this point has Shogun really earned the spot?


I think he's still trading off how dominant he was in pride. I can't say decisioning an over the hill Coleman and KOing an over the hill Liddell is enough of a test to say if he's championship material.

He has good technical skills, he just needs to take care of his cardio. If he fights Machida it'll be a 5 round fight and if he isn't in shape, he's going to get finished.
irishguy
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 1:47 PM) *
I think he's still trading off how dominant he was in pride. I can't say decisioning an over the hill Coleman and KOing an over the hill Liddell is enough of a test to say if he's championship material.

He has good technical skills, he just needs to take care of his cardio. If he fights Machida it'll be a 5 round fight and if he isn't in shape, he's going to get finished.


I agree and with Rampage and Evans wrapped up now there really isn't anyone else to step up to Machida...this division seemed so much deeper not to long ago.
grocery_mony
TUF 10 will be all Heavyweights with no fight on the show cards. I wonder if Bobby Lashley is gonna be on it. Dana looked a little dissapointed that Machida won on Saturday night imo. Kinda ****ed up his plan but he found away to work it out. Shogun obviously isnt as deserving as others at this time but there wasnt alot of options out there if Rampage was gonna be on TUF. Another long layoff for Rampage icon_frown.gif
jdrury12
Anyone else leaning towards Rashad vs Rampage?
Ron_Mexico
he didn't decision Coleman, he tko'd him
grocery_mony
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 3:23 PM) *
Anyone else leaning towards Rashad vs Rampage?

If it was even money I would take Rashad. They do alot of the same stuff. Rampage is a little stronger and Rashad is a little faster. I will take speed in that match up.
irishguy
Interesting read about Rampage turning down the Machida fight.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-t...o&type=lgns
AimHigher
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 11:44 PM) *
he didn't decision Coleman, he tko'd him


I'd actually forgotten he finished coleman in the third, that's how sloppy that fight was after like the start of the second round.
grocery_mony
Did the ppv price for 98 jump to $49.95 in the states too or just here in Canada?
bdc30
i actually phoned up to order it...then they mentioned the price for the HD version was $59.99

I hung up and found a handy link online.

Laptop w/ hdmi + 50" plasma....did the trick
grocery_mony
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, May 29th, 2009, 7:30 PM) *
i actually phoned up to order it...then they mentioned the price for the HD version was $59.99

I hung up and found a handy link online.

Laptop w/ hdmi + 50" plasma....did the trick

We have a regular group that gets together and watches them. We all take turns paying so on average it costs me less than $12 an event so I dont mind paying. If the event is weak like most of the overseas shows I look for links but they are sketchy and crash lots. It sucked for the last Montreal event I would have gotten it but I had a late dinner after a funureal so I tried to catch the last 3 fights online and every link eventually froze up.
ford14
“Kimbo Slice” will be among the 16 heavyweight fighters to join the 10th season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” according to Yahoo Sports. The Spike TV reality series starts shooting this week in Las Vegas.

It would be sooooo awesome if they brought Seth Petruzelli back and made them fight to get in the house.
grocery_mony
QUOTE (ford14 @ Monday, June 1st, 2009, 10:20 PM) *
“Kimbo Slice” will be among the 16 heavyweight fighters to join the 10th season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” according to Yahoo Sports. The Spike TV reality series starts shooting this week in Las Vegas.

It would be sooooo awesome if they brought Seth Petruzelli back and made them fight to get in the house.

Just wow!!! No wonder there not having a fight on show. Pulling out all the gimmicks to get renewed I guess. Maybe they can get Canseco on the show for Slice to have a shot at winning 1 match. He will deffinatly be in the last fight of the first round. I actually wouldnt be suprised if he gets "injured" before he can fight. Win/win for Dana I guess, he gets big ratings, and the guy that has the most name recogntion among casual mma viewers gets crushed. I just wish you could bet on TUF matches with all the Kimbo money that would pour in.
jdrury12
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 12:39 AM) *
Just wow!!! No wonder there not having a fight on show. Pulling out all the gimmicks to get renewed I guess. Maybe they can get Canseco on the show for Slice to have a shot at winning 1 match. He will deffinatly be in the last fight of the first round. I actually wouldnt be suprised if he gets "injured" before he can fight. Win/win for Dana I guess, he gets big ratings, and the guy that has the most name recogntion among casual mma viewers gets crushed. I just wish you could bet on TUF matches with all the Kimbo money that would pour in.

Don't worry, Kimbo money will pour in on the finale. Just seems they are selling the integrity of the show in desperation to get another contract. Rampage vs. Evans with Kimbo on the show just seems like it will get people to watch for the wrong reasons.
ford14
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 12:04 AM) *
Don't worry, Kimbo money will pour in on the finale. Just seems they are selling the integrity of the show in desperation to get another contract. Rampage vs. Evans with Kimbo on the show just seems like it will get people to watch for the wrong reasons.


To be honest, the show lost most of its integrity with Junie Browning. I agree, it's a shameless ratings grab, but that doesn't mean it won't make for good TV. I'm just wondering what kind of deal they worked out with Kimbo, as I can't see him going from 500k for his last fight to 5k or go home on TUF.

I think all this has to do with Dana talking out of his ass when Kimbo was in EliteXC, trying to bury their top draw. Now he's following through on it to not make himself a liar, but regardless of what happens on TUF, I'm sure Kimbo will be on the UFC roster, and having prominent fights on cards, after the show.
jdrury12
QUOTE (ford14 @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 8:31 AM) *
I think all this has to do with Dana talking out of his ass when Kimbo was in EliteXC, trying to bury their top draw. Now he's following through on it to not make himself a liar, but regardless of what happens on TUF, I'm sure Kimbo will be on the UFC roster, and having prominent fights on cards, after the show.

Disagree. I think if he loses one of his first two fights the UFC takes an "I told you so approach" and dumps him.
BigLebowski
Dana is a smart man. That is all.



I like Brown, Aldo, Cerrone, & Grispi this weekend. I would assume they are all favorites except for Brown, but I can't find any odds on them.
Ron_Mexico
I like the Slice thing for both sides. It generates ratings for the UFC and it generates respect for Kimbo. I don't get all the hate for the guy. He was nothing but humble, calling himself a puppy in the MMA world, never claimed to be a world beater and just took a ridic amount of money to be the face a company, which anyone would've done. He gets my respect for going back to the bottom as opposed to side shows in Japan.

I hope he knocks some people out to shut the "purists' up. And this coming for a guy that loves jujitsu the most in MMA
grocery_mony
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 6:51 PM) *
I like the Slice thing for both sides. It generates ratings for the UFC and it generates respect for Kimbo. I don't get all the hate for the guy. He was nothing but humble, calling himself a puppy in the MMA world, never claimed to be a world beater and just took a ridic amount of money to be the face a company, which anyone would've done. He gets my respect for going back to the bottom as opposed to side shows in Japan.

I hope he knocks some people out to shut the "purists' up. And this coming for a guy that loves jujitsu the most in MMA

I dont think people dont like Kimbo personally just how he was marketed as a legitimate MMA fighter. Plus being involved in the whole "paid to stand with Kimbo" fiasco was really shady and makes mma look really bush league. I think the only one who was mad at the money Kimbo was making was Dana White. Make no mistake though this isnt about Kimbo trying to prove himself as a legitimate MMA fighter its about money. Even though we will probally never find out for sure he is getting a nice chunk for this. 0-2 with less than a minute of total fight time in the UFC is my prediction.
Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 10:00 PM) *
I dont think people dont like Kimbo personally just how he was marketed as a legitimate MMA fighter. Plus being involved in the whole "paid to stand with Kimbo" fiasco was really shady and makes mma look really bush league. I think the only one who was mad at the money Kimbo was making was Dana White. Make no mistake though this isnt about Kimbo trying to prove himself as a legitimate MMA fighter its about money. Even though we will probally never find out for sure he is getting a nice chunk for this. 0-2 with less than a minute of total fight time in the UFC is my prediction.

I thought Dana was Mr Principle. You think he gave Kimbo a fat paycheck to do this just for ratings? Hmmmm


Also, I'll give action on that bet if that's exactly how you want it.
grocery_mony
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 7:06 PM) *
I thought Dana was Mr Principle. You think he gave Kimbo a fat paycheck to do this just for ratings? Hmmmm
Exactly right. Thats why I am shocked that this is actually gonna happen
Also, I'll give action on that bet if that's exactly how you want it.
If I am gonna bet it I want a little more than 1 minute total though. That was a prediction not a invitation for a bet. I ll take an even money bet that he goes 0-2(the first round fight and probally the TUF finnale) and the total combined time of those 2 fights are less than 3 minutes. Bet is void if Kimbo doesnt fight twice unless his one fight goes over the 3 minutes. Kimbo has no ground game, no takedown defence, no gas tank and no chin. I really cant see him doing anything against anyone who is competent.




from the names i have seen i like Marcus Jones to win it all
Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 10:24 PM) *
from the names i have seen i like Marcus Jones to win it all

I don't ever, ever bet sports, but I would consider taking this bet, although it's weighted in my favor. All he has to do is win one fight, lose one and go more than three minutes, or lose two and go more than three minutes total. I'd take that

grocery_mony
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 7:47 PM) *
I don't ever, ever bet sports, but I would consider taking this bet, although it's weighted in my favor. All he has to do is win one fight, lose one and go more than three minutes, or lose two and go more than three minutes total. I'd take that

Its your call. Like I said I wasnt looking to bet just stating a opinion. The terms are very favorable to you concidering we havent seen the competition yet and they could easily have a tomato can to put in with him in the first match. And before anyone else tries to jump on this this only Applies to Mr. mexico.
jdrury12
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 9:24 PM) *
from the names i have seen i like Marcus Jones to win it all

I really like Brendan Schaub
Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 10:56 PM) *
Its your call. Like I said I wasnt looking to bet just stating a opinion. The terms are very favorable to you concidering we havent seen the competition yet and they could easily have a tomato can to put in with him in the first match. And before anyone else tries to jump on this this only Applies to Mr. mexico.

meh, we'll keep it friendly. Maybe a signature bet under the terms you wrote.
jdrury12
QUOTE
Will Kimbo Slice make the Finals of The Ultimate Fighter Season 10?

Kimbo Slice must fight in the Final Matchup for the UFC contract for "YES" to be graded the winner. All Wagers have action
Yes +270
No -350


Needless to say, account balance = 0.00
grocery_mony
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Wednesday, June 3rd, 2009, 8:52 PM) *
Needless to say, account balance = 0.00

What site?
jdrury12
Bodog
BigLebowski
Former MMA fighter wins event #10 at WSOP

Congratulations to Rami Boukai, Winner of Event No. 10, the $2,500 PLH/PLO event ($244,862)

His last fight was a decision loss to Urijah back in 2004. Wonder why he stopped fighting...seems like he had some talent. I believe is he known online as "arbianight" as well.
Ron_Mexico
Good Strikeforce card on Showtime tonight
Lawler vs Shields
Nick Diaz vs Scott Smith
Arlovski vs Rogers
steve7stud
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Saturday, June 6th, 2009, 12:29 PM) *
Good Strikeforce card on Showtime tonight
Lawler vs Shields
Nick Diaz vs Scott Smith
Arlovski vs Rogers


Randomly found this on TV. Wish I had known it was on sooner because I missed the first two fights.

Diaz looked great. His game is a lot better right now.

Rogers looked good I guess, but it seems like he might need to get in shape.

Lawler and Shields looked pretty ugly imo. Shields stand up is awful, and Lawlers ground game is pretty bad. Shields BJJ was tight.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that this was on.

Star studded event.
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