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grocery_mony
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, February 13th, 2009, 8:01 AM) *
Just read online that UFC may not be allowed to go to montreal due to some changes at the quebec athletic commission...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/2009/02/12/ufc_qac/

Some ahole trying to make a name for himself. If they cant elbow or knee they should pull the event.
Yoda
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Friday, February 13th, 2009, 1:25 PM) *
Some ahole trying to make a name for himself. If they cant elbow or knee they should pull the event.


lol @ that article - there is a 0% chance they'd have the event with those rules. Forget even the elbow and knees for a moment, it's saying if someone was knocked down due to strikes the fight should be paused to make sure the guy can continue or not. Sillyness.
steve7stud
edit.
steve7stud
Wasn't GSP athlete of the year in Canada. And he's from Quebec. This would be a very strange move on there part.
grocery_mony
yikes Diego up to -290. Probally wont bet it now.
AimHigher
Anybody think there's value in Sonnen or is Maia just way slicker at jitz than Filho?
jdrury12
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Saturday, February 14th, 2009, 1:12 PM) *
Anybody think there's value in Sonnen or is Maia just way slicker at jitz than Filho?

I think he's a lot better than the Filho that Sonnen faced.
grocery_mony
Wow UFC 100 is supposed to have GSP/Alves,Rashad/Rampage or Machida and now Hendo/Bisbing. Gonna be a wicked card. The rumour of all 5 titles on the line was a pipe dream never even considered. It would leave a championship hole on future UFC cards for months.
steve7stud
UFC 95: Lightweight
Sat 2/21 Joe Stevenson vs Diego Sanchez
08:00 PM 101 Joe Stevenson +261
102 Diego Sanchez -281
UFC 95: Middleweight
Sat 2/21 Wilson Gouveia vs Nate Marquardt
07:30 PM 105 Wilson Gouveia +234
106 Nate Marquardt -254
UFC 95: Welterweight
Sat 2/21 Chael Sonnen vs Demian Maia
08:00 PM 103 Chael Sonnen +241
104 Demian Maia -261
Sat 2/21 Rory Markham vs Dan Hardy
07:30 PM 107 Rory Markham -101
108 Dan Hardy -109
Sat 2/21 Paulo Thiago vs Josh Koscheck
07:00 PM 109 Paulo Thiago +381
110 Josh Koscheck -421

Thoughts?
outsider13
I have a hard time believing that Joe Stevenson is that big of a dog here. I don't think he'll win the fight, but I definitely think there's value in betting him here. Nothing else really jumps out at me.
grocery_mony
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Tuesday, February 17th, 2009, 12:26 AM) *
UFC 95: Lightweight
Sat 2/21 Joe Stevenson vs Diego Sanchez
08:00 PM 101 Joe Stevenson +261
102 Diego Sanchez -281
UFC 95: Middleweight
Sat 2/21 Wilson Gouveia vs Nate Marquardt
07:30 PM 105 Wilson Gouveia +234
106 Nate Marquardt -254
UFC 95: Welterweight
Sat 2/21 Chael Sonnen vs Demian Maia
08:00 PM 103 Chael Sonnen +241
104 Demian Maia -261
Sat 2/21 Rory Markham vs Dan Hardy
07:30 PM 107 Rory Markham -101
108 Dan Hardy -109
Sat 2/21 Paulo Thiago vs Josh Koscheck
07:00 PM 109 Paulo Thiago +381
110 Josh Koscheck -421

Thoughts?

I dont see anything screaming at me as good value. I like Diego alot but probally wont bet -300 at his first cut to 155 against a competent opponent. I see a little value in Gouveia but also like Marquart alot so maybe just a small bet. I migh parlay up Maia and Diego for a mid size bet.
gatortom64
UFC Legend Kimo Leopoldo Arrested For Drug Posession
By Michael Bluth
Feb 17, 2009 - 3:23:16 PM


TMZ.com reports that former UFC fighter Kimo Leopoldo was arrested by police for drug possession in Tustin, California on Monday afternoon after authorities spotted the ex-fighter wearing a Long Beach Police Department jumpsuit complete with patches and a badge.

The officers then searched Kimo's car, where they claim to have found "a small amount of what is believed to be meth."

Kimo, who lost to Royce Gracie at UFC 3, was charged with possession of a controlled substance and is still in police custody. Cops say there will also be an investigation into where the 41-year-old got his hands on the LBPD gear.

Kimo recently applied to be Executive Officer of the California State Athletic Commission (seriously).

ol'number7
QUOTE (outsider13 @ Tuesday, February 17th, 2009, 8:05 AM) *
I have a hard time believing that Joe Stevenson is that big of a dog here. I don't think he'll win the fight, but I definitely think there's value in betting him here. Nothing else really jumps out at me.


totally agree with you -- I bet the opening line on Stevenson +185, wow did I get a bad price. I thought this line was too high to begin with, guess I'm missing something here

steve7stud
QUOTE (ol'number7 @ Wednesday, February 18th, 2009, 10:35 AM) *
totally agree with you -- I bet the opening line on Stevenson +185, wow did I get a bad price. I thought this line was too high to begin with, guess I'm missing something here


A couple of things. MMA math doesn't always add up. But Sanchez destroyed Florian, and Florian easily beat Stevenson. Having said that....Sanchez and Florian fought at middleweight. And Florian is a MUCH better fighter now then he was then.

The bottom line is that everything Stevenson does, Sanchez does better. Literally.

I do think the line is off though. And that sucks.........

Sadly, a lot of these lines are going in pretty severe directions. I agree that the favorites listed are true favorites. But aside from Koscheck, I would like to have seen the favorties in the -150...-180 range.
AimHigher
QUOTE (ol'number7 @ Wednesday, February 18th, 2009, 7:35 PM) *
totally agree with you -- I bet the opening line on Stevenson +185, wow did I get a bad price. I thought this line was too high to begin with, guess I'm missing something here


Diego is as good or better in every area as Joe, only he's like 3 inches taller, will weigh like 20lbs more and have a massive reach advantage. Pretty much expect this to be super one sided.
grocery_mony
Yea Diego automatically goes to #2 contender behind Florian imo. I think a BJ fight(if he beats Kenflo, not a given imo) Diego is 50/50 to beat BJ. Joe is solid but has got dominated when he fights the high end fighters. The only unknown is what the effects of the weight cut will be on Diego.
jdrury12
Not betting anything I don't think, maybe Stevenson, just no guarantee, or anything close, that Diego will be as explosive after the cut/first international fight.
ford14
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, February 17th, 2009, 11:26 PM) *
I dont see anything screaming at me as good value. I like Diego alot but probally wont bet -300 at his first cut to 155 against a competent opponent. I see a little value in Gouveia but also like Marquart alot so maybe just a small bet. I migh parlay up Maia and Diego for a mid size bet.


I agree with all of this. The lines across the board are pretty sickening, but Gouveia is probably the best value on the entire card, followed by Maia. The line on Diego is pretty much right on, but too many questions with the weight cut to put any money down either way. Stevenson has looked pretty bad lately, and I think Sanchez is going to light him up at will no matter position they get in to, unless the cut takes too much out of him.
outsider13
I'm just surprised at the Stevenson/Sanchez line. It's Diego's first fight at LW, and he really hasn't been tearing it up lately. Neither has Stevenson really but odds like that are usually reserved for blowout type fights, and I just don't see this being one of them. Fwiw, I think Diego will win too. Mostly because I just can't see how Stevenson would win, other than a decision.
ford14
QUOTE (outsider13 @ Thursday, February 19th, 2009, 7:46 AM) *
I'm just surprised at the Stevenson/Sanchez line. It's Diego's first fight at LW, and he really hasn't been tearing it up lately. Neither has Stevenson really but odds like that are usually reserved for blowout type fights, and I just don't see this being one of them. Fwiw, I think Diego will win too. Mostly because I just can't see how Stevenson would win, other than a decision.


I don't know... Diego lost a split decision to Fitch, and lost a snoozer to Koscheck when he was at much less than 100%. He's stopped his last two opponents in fairly impressive fashion. Stevenson has looked completely outclassed in 2 of his last 3 fights. I really don't know how Stevenson can win this fight outside of getting Sanchez to fall into a miracle guillotine. The only X factor is the weight cut for Diego, but if he's anywhere near what he usually is at WW, it's going to be a slaughter.
grocery_mony
So It sounds like Crocop might be coming back to the UFC. A possible match up with Randy at 99. Hopefully he decides to train in a cage this time. I think he beats Randy. Adds a little more depth at HW. Hopefully Gonzaga(if he beats Carwin) gets the first shot at the winner of Mir/Lesnar.
coesillian
does the main event start at 8, 9 or 10 PM GMT?

what's the best place to find out?
grocery_mony
Placed a small bet on Gouveia and parlayed Maia and Sanchez on a medium sized bet close to even money.
Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (coesillian @ Friday, February 20th, 2009, 2:15 PM) *
does the main event start at 8, 9 or 10 PM GMT?

what's the best place to find out?

It's airing on Spike at 9pm, eastern standard time.

I was wondering if they were airing live at 3pm somewhere, or just tape delaying it altogether.


Also, early April has some nice cards line up with the WEC and that Strikeforce card. Shamrock vs Diaz. Shields is also fighting and one or two others. Should be interesting.
gooch
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Friday, February 20th, 2009, 8:28 PM) *
Placed a small bet on Gouveia and parlayed Maia and Sanchez on a medium sized bet close to even money.


maia is -300, i like him but i don't like those numbers
grocery_mony
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Friday, February 20th, 2009, 8:28 PM) *
Placed a small bet on Gouveia and parlayed Maia and Sanchez on a medium sized bet close to even money.

Decided to add a large bet on Sanchez alone in addition to the parlay.
gooch
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 6:08 PM) *
I would guess if you have been fighting MMA long enough you have had your nose broken at least once. There are a lot of bloody noses, but I have never heard of anyone using "nose packs" or anything of the sort.

Maybe someone in the know can give a definitive answer.


after you've been punched in the face a lot your nose rarely bleeds, at least that's what i find

every once and a while though you will get popped at a weird angle and it will gush

some people also bleed way more than others, there was one guy i boxed with that would have a cue tip and vaseline up his nose by the end of the session everytime
grocery_mony
hmmm alot of last minute money going in on Marquart. Maia has been bet down further too.
grocery_mony
Wow nice finish by Nate. Looking like a young Wanderlei Silva lol
grocery_mony
Phew always sweat a decision. Made a decent chunk today hitting the parlay and Sanchez. Sanchez didnt impress though.
kers2
Dont go to espn.com they have the results up on the front page. Fuckin gay
AimHigher
Expected more from Diego. !! @ Kos. Maia is a ****ing stud.
Ron_Mexico
I love Maia. Just slick as hell.

Main event was lackluster.

Solid card overall. Lots of quick fights.

I don't have an issue with any of the stoppages. These meathead fighters who complain after taking a beating are so funny. Especially that 6'11" kid that Junior Dos Santos dropped.
steve7stud
I went 5-6 tonight.

Had........
Sanchez
Marquardt
Hardy
Dos Santos
Etim
Sonnen........really a silly pick on my part btw.
BigLebowski
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Sunday, February 22nd, 2009, 3:58 AM) *
Sonnen........really a silly pick on my part btw.


Really just goes to show how bad Filho looked in those two fights. I don't think Maia would have as an easy of a time with Filho using MMAmath, but Sonnen just looked sooooooo slow in the standup.

I thought it was an entertaining card. I think my theory of shorter and shorter fights had another chapter written. MMA is slowly but surely becoming kickboxing/muay thai and sadly just boxing in a lot of cases. Even the guys known for their wrestling and jj don't utilize it unless they get the knock down. Exception last night being Maia of course. The big guys went down last night which was kind of funny and showed what happens when one guy knows what he is doing and one guy is clueless. GG knee and ankle ligaments.
Yoda
I was so confused at how many fights they were airing. One after another after another for 3 hours straight, pretty cool.

I don't think Sanchez was as disappointing as some of you are saying though. It is clear he still has some work to do with his standup, and he seems to lack raw power. But he mixes it up very well and is amazingly quick with his combo's. They should call him the Tazmanian Devil or something.

Joe Stevenson was the one who disappointed, he was just caught in a whirlwind.
outsider13
I thought that Sanchez looked quite good, especially his stand up. Considering how bad he used to be, he really won that fight on pure standup ability. Yes, he didn't get a knockout, but nonetheless he was very impressive.
BigLebowski
I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if the judges gave that fight to Stevenson. The first round could have gone to Stevenson as he did last a lot of punches and pushed the action more. The 2nd was obvious Sanchez. I would have given the 3rd to Stevenson based on striking and "octagon control". Do I think Stevenson won....no. However, I don't think it would have been an atrocious decision to give it to Stevenson.

I thought Sanchez mixed it up really well, but he definitely left himself open quite a bit. I see Florian taking it to him pretty good. Someone like BJ who has a huge chin is going to give him fits as well. He just doesn't seem to have that natural power that someone above mentioned. That power may come in time though after a few more cuts.
gooch
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Sunday, February 22nd, 2009, 9:25 AM) *
I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if the judges gave that fight to Stevenson. The first round could have gone to Stevenson as he did last a lot of punches and pushed the action more. The 2nd was obvious Sanchez. I would have given the 3rd to Stevenson based on striking and "octagon control". Do I think Stevenson won....no. However, I don't think it would have been an atrocious decision to give it to Stevenson.

I thought Sanchez mixed it up really well, but he definitely left himself open quite a bit. I see Florian taking it to him pretty good. Someone like BJ who has a huge chin is going to give him fits as well. He just doesn't seem to have that natural power that someone above mentioned. That power may come in time though after a few more cuts.


if, IF, joe had thrown a couple kicks in there every 20 or so punches he may have gotten the win, but his striking is way too predictable for that level of fighting, throw a hook or a body punch once in a while if all you are going to do is box, he seriously needs a better striking coach and a better game plan

diego didn't have ko power at 170 so i can't see him having it at 155, he fought better in terms of mixing up his game, but guys like florian and bj would eat his breakfast now, with the big cut he doesn't have the muscle to power people like before

nate fought a great fight

maia is so slick, the guy is managing to get in with little or no damage right now and then crush them on the ground, if he can work his striking lots in the next while he will really be strong because he could have a long career with fight like that, only getting hit once or twice a fight is a pretty big accomplishment

i wish all these lanky mofos would learn rubber guard, they could destroy with that and good standup, look at how great hazlett is doing
Yoda
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Sunday, February 22nd, 2009, 12:25 PM) *
I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if the judges gave that fight to Stevenson. The first round could have gone to Stevenson as he did last a lot of punches and pushed the action more. The 2nd was obvious Sanchez. I would have given the 3rd to Stevenson based on striking and "octagon control". Do I think Stevenson won....no. However, I don't think it would have been an atrocious decision to give it to Stevenson.

I thought Sanchez mixed it up really well, but he definitely left himself open quite a bit. I see Florian taking it to him pretty good. Someone like BJ who has a huge chin is going to give him fits as well. He just doesn't seem to have that natural power that someone above mentioned. That power may come in time though after a few more cuts.


I could see Stevenson getting 3rd round, maybe; but NO WAY would I give him 1st (or obv 2nd) round. I think it woulda definitely been a travesty if Stevenson got the decision. He spent the whole first round getting worked and was too busy smiling and shaking off punches as if to frequently say "that didn't really hurt as bad as it looked I swear."

What was the card 30-27 30-27 29-28? I think that is perfect.
ol'number7
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Saturday, February 21st, 2009, 9:35 PM) *
I love Maia. Just slick as hell.

Main event was lackluster.

Solid card overall. Lots of quick fights.

I don't have an issue with any of the stoppages. These meathead fighters who complain after taking a beating are so funny. Especially that 6'11" kid that Junior Dos Santos dropped.


agree with this entire post, especially about Maia -- I would love to see him take on Anderson Silva, yes a huge disadvantage on the feet but I don't think anyone would want any part of Maia including Silva on the ground

gooch
QUOTE (ol'number7 @ Sunday, February 22nd, 2009, 8:24 PM) *
agree with this entire post, especially about Maia -- I would love to see him take on Anderson Silva, yes a huge disadvantage on the feet but I don't think anyone would want any part of Maia including Silva on the ground


maia wrecks silva on the ground if he can avoid the knock out on the way in, until marcelo garcia starts fighting mma i don't see anyone else better on the ground, the way he just slowly pulls people down there without taking real damage is impressive, his transistion from dogfight is super slick
jdrury12
Anyone intrigued by Leites and Anderson? I think I like betting Thales here, if it goes to the ground who would be surprised to see him submit Anderson?
gooch
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 6:39 AM) *
Anyone intrigued by Leites and Anderson? I think I like betting Thales here, if it goes to the ground who would be surprised to see him submit Anderson?


i don't think he does, anderson's bjj has never impressed me that much which is why i think he will have a problem with maia if he can get it to the ground, he has a decent defensive game though and his long legs help him out

i don't think that leites is the guy to do it
jdrury12
QUOTE (gooch @ Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 3:30 PM) *
i don't think he does, anderson's bjj has never impressed me that much which is why i think he will have a problem with maia if he can get it to the ground, he has a decent defensive game though and his long legs help him out

i don't think that leites is the guy to do it

Anderson is vulnerable. If Travis Lutter doesn't gas during walk outs he beats him. I'm just saying if it comes out in the +450 range I like Leites.
gooch
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 2:15 PM) *
Anderson is vulnerable. If Travis Lutter doesn't gas during walk outs he beats him. I'm just saying if it comes out in the +450 range I like Leites.


lutter just embarasses with his work ethic

at +450 i think thats a line you could take a chance on

not sure if thales can get anderson down though, i think maia can, guy is like fly paper when he gets a hold of you

Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 5:15 PM) *
Anderson is vulnerable. If Travis Lutter doesn't gas during walk outs he beats him. I'm just saying if it comes out in the +450 range I like Leites.

the minute I read the comments about Silva's BJJ, I was thinking of Lutter and was gonna make a joke about his conditioning, but you sir, have set the gold standard for cardio jokes.

QUOTE (gooch @ Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 6:30 PM) *
lutter just embarasses with his work ethic

yeah, so much talent and so little heart. Maybe that's harsh, I don't know his heart, but the last two times I've seen Lutter, he gassed so early. Maybe he has a condition. Lets hope.

I don't think Silva's BJJ is awful. He has a Noguera black belt and has skills, but he's not a top notch guy. With his striking, he doesn't need to be. I think the key for Maia would be to avoid damage on the way in, which is easier said than done. Just ask James Irvin. Hell, Cote took damage while Silva danced. HE'S THAT GOOD
gooch
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 5:27 PM) *
I don't think Silva's BJJ is awful. He has a Noguera black belt and has skills, but he's not a top notch guy. With his striking, he doesn't need to be. I think the key for Maia would be to avoid damage on the way in, which is easier said than done. Just ask James Irvin. Hell, Cote took damage while Silva danced. HE'S THAT GOOD


there are bjj black belts and then there are BJJ BLACK BELTS, anderson is only a small case bb, while Maia is an uppercase BB

anderson has good body structure for mma jits, long legs helps to avoid gnp and you can push off on hips and isolate arms with them, but i don't see him lasting too long in the ground with Maia

lutter is a joke as far as conditioning goes, you can't fight at that level and have shitty cardio anymore

irvins kick was about as bad as you could do against a muay thai guy, no hip rotation and leave your face open when he catches you

i thought cote did okay, well, better than anyone else has at least, cote also had no real ground game so he had to worry about that

the only guys that spider has had trouble with are sneaky jits guys and i think maia is the one if he works enough on his standup over the next 3 or so fights
jdrury12
Maia is dangerous and an interesting matchup, but he has to beat Leites first. If Leites gets it down, I really do think he's in good shape to win this fight.

The opening line of Chuck/Shogun will be very interesting.
gooch
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 6:34 PM) *
Maia is dangerous and an interesting matchup, but he has to beat Leites first. If Leites gets it down, I really do think he's in good shape to win this fight.

The opening line of Chuck/Shogun will be very interesting.


i think chuck is washed now, but shogun hasn't been impressing me either

i'm fully riding dustin hazletts nuts though, a big fan of his rubber guard work
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