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no they aren't, but they fought under a different set of rules and they fought in a ring. Rampage and henderson were the only ones who had any decent experience in an octogon(Jackson from when he was in KoTC and Henderson did some fights for UFC back in the 90s). The other guys are used to fighting in a boxing ring and when you are given a tough fight right off the bat, it's a very hard adjustment.

Two other things, 1) there are some rules that Pride fighters just aren't used to like elbows, and some rules that have been taken away from their game that they've had for years(like soccer kicks) 2) PRIDE had no roids testing, and Shogun's body looked a ton different from when he was in PRIDE. Another factor is that many of the PRIDE fighters were smaller fighters in their division. WHat I mean by that is that cro cop was fighting HW at 225 and Shogun was fighting in the 200 lb division with only cutting a few lbs. In the UFC, you have guys that are used to doing lots of cutting and come into their fights a good 10-15 lbs heavier then their weigh in. Forrest was a good 15-20 lbs heavier then Shogun, and that kind of stuff makes a different over 15 minutes. If shogun learned how to cut, he'd be great at 185

he was only on a 2 fight contract, so his next fight is his last fight of his contract, and it'll be at 205. If he gets resigned to a longer contract, he'll end up at 185 most likely

whats with you stealing my avatar?? i got dibs on ashcroft didn't anyone tell you?

wow

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3059019


I don't know whether to be happy or sad. I'm glad he made the decision to go out on top, but I sure as hell would like to see him fight again. thoughts?


the one thing I don't get is that he won't be commentator anymore. that kinda sucks; he was really good.

WOW. That is huge news. Good for Randy for taking a stand though.

Good for him. He really wanted to fight Cro Cop, but a couple of guys didn't hear about that plan. Big Nog is the only available guy that I would like to see him fight. Brandon Vera vs Tim Sylvia FTB?

--fyp.

The article says as much. At 44, can't wait forever though. Good for him to go out on top.

Hmmm top guy makes 700k a fight. $4-5 million live gates, $39.95 *1 million ppv hits, plus the spike tv money. I dont blame Randy or others 1 bit for trying to get a fair share of the pie. I also read where Jardine got 14 thousand for his Liddel fight.

don't be dumb. Do you really think that Jardine only got 14K for Main Eventing a PPV. Only the base pay is ever listed publicly, I can garuntee you that Jardine got a cut on the PPV revenue and most likely also got a nice bonus from his sponsors. Many of the top fighters in the UFC get a % of the PPV. Tito ended up making around 1.5m for his fight with Liddell last year when all was said and done, but he was only listed as making ~150K for his base pay

wow, some amazing quotes from Dana White cut and pasted from Sherdog:

"Fedor has that mystique where people think he's No. 1, which I don't agree with," White told UFC.com. "I think that Fedor is completely overrated -- he's fought Mark Coleman (Pictures) and Matt Lindland (Pictures) in the last year, with Mark Hunt (Pictures) being his only legitimate opponent -- and I actually think that Randy Couture (Pictures) would have smashed Fedor."

Randy Couture (Pictures) has had an amazing career, he's an incredible athlete, he's pulled off more upsets, and has been the underdog so many times, what's really left out there for him? I think he would have put a stone cold beating on Fedor, and he would have walked away with the same thing that he's walking away with now. He's walking out on top, and walking out on top is a smart thing to do. And it's perfect for his acting career."


I believe the exact opposite regarding Fedor, does anyone else think Randy could beat him? I have to believe Dana is saying these things just to pimp up UFC quality, and is very bitter he failed to sign Fedor...

I think this is true.


The problems in signing Fedor (not sure what the latest situation is, but there's been agent/contract probs for a while), clearly have lead him to say those things. Kind of backed up by the fact that he's been on record before saying how great Fedor is, world's best etc etc, when it looked like he was going to sign for UFC.

Not sure whether this is him genuinely thinking that trying to sign Fedor is too problematic and will never happen (therefore play down the 'legend'), and he's decided to wipe his hands of Fedor... or, an attempt to get to Fedor through criticism as a last resort, in order to make him sign to prove himself.


One thing's for sure though, I would LOVE to see Fedor in the UFC. Just love it.

I think Couture could very well beat Fedor. I would say that Couture has better wrestling than Coleman who managed to take Fedor down. I could see Couture taking Fedor down and grinding out a win. And, unlike Coleman, Couture has good submission defence.

6 months ago I would have said that fedor would annihilate couture. now, after seeing all of the other "greats" from pride come in and basically get their asses handed to them, not so much. I'm still bitter over cro cop.

I've heard some rumors of Mark Cuban buying up a rival company to UFC.

Interesting article on Yahoo today. Not sure how much weight to give it though -- no way Randy walked away from that kind of cash.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=AoO6...o&type=lgns

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports
October 16, 2007

Randy Couture's next move is foremost on the minds of those who closely follow mixed martial arts.

But bet on this: Couture will be in a suit in a court room before he's wearing board shorts preparing to fight Fedor Emelianenko any time soon.

Couture's resignation as UFC heavyweight champion and subsequent decision to sever all ties with the company dominated the reader response this week.

But before we get a sampling of what you had to say, here's a quick take on some of the key points in the case:

Have no doubt that Mark Cuban, the Dallas Mavericks' owner, would-be Chicago Cubs owner and the fledgling MMA promoter, is somehow involved in the M-1 Mix Fight promotion that allegedly signed Emelianenko to a multi-million dollar contract last week. Cuban declined comment via e-mail when asked whether he is part of M-1.


Non-UFC sources say that the contract Couture negotiated and signed before his comeback fight against Tim Sylvia in March is for four fights and between $13 million and $15 million, which puts him behind only Chuck Liddell, at four fights and $17 million, in the UFC salary pecking order. Those numbers are believed to include percentages of pay-per-view money.


Couture believes he can be a free agent after sitting out nine months, which would mean he figures he can fight Emelianenko sometime in late spring or early summer of 2008.


UFC president Dana White insists Couture must fight twice for the UFC to fulfill his contract and become a free agent

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Those differences of opinion are going to land the parties in court. After nine months, expect Couture to try to fight and the UFC to go to court to stop him. Couture will argue that time is of the essence, because he'll be nearly 45, and that if he isn't granted a court order and allowed to fight, he'll be irreparably harmed. The UFC will argue that its entire business will be undermined if Couture is allowed to break his contract.


Couture handled the situation as poorly as he could have. He was in South Africa filming a movie when he made the announcement. He would have come off a lot classier had he been in the U.S. and faced the media to answer the tough questions.


The winner of the Brandon Vera-Tim Sylvia fight on Saturday at UFC 77 in Cincinnati will meet Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira for the vacant heavyweight title sometime early next year.

Just saw that one of the matches at the November UFC is Rashad Evans v. Michael Bisping.

Does Bisping have ANY chance?

I think he does. Evans looked just ok vs Tito(albeit Tito has deeper resume than Bisbing. )Evans should and will be the favorite but anything over +200 I would be tempmted to take Bisbing. I personally think both these guys should be at 185, especially if Silva wins tommorow that could set up some good 185 matches.

On a side note I saw on the Score scroll yesterday that UFC has cancelled a planned January event in Montreal. Can anyone fill me in on the details?

The UFC has a "Fantasy" game now. I'll deffo be checking this out. Maybe if there's any interest and if it's any good (I have yet to look at it), we can get a little forum gamboooooooooling going.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8294

Hmm -- gleaned a bit of information from that UFC fantasy page...

Roger Huerta v. Clay Guida is the final matchup for this season's Ultimate Fighter reality show.

Wonder why they would post that up there...

Some quick thoughts.

First of all. I just can't seem to get enough of the UFC lately. I keep buying those ppv's every month whether it's a good card or not.

Does Matt Sera remind anyone else of Rocky? Not literally. But the little guy, the underdog, etc. That guy has so much heart. I think he's a great coach, got a second chance, made the most of it and has a belt now. Pretty cool. I like him and Hughes as coaches.

Diego Sanchez. WTF. He was my favorite fighter in the UFC. I thought the guy had so much talent and ability. His last two fights he just seems to have lost "it". I have no clue where his heart is. Now, I know that he fought to guys from AKA. And for sure they were tough. Kos and Finch are both talented. But Diego REALLY dissappointed me in both fights.

When Diego fought Parysian, he left it all on the mat. And Parysian is tough as hell. In fact I think Karo is just as good as Finch and Josh. So I honestly have no clue what happened to Diego. Thoughts?

I'm really not a big fan of Matt Serra, he seems so phony. I have to say though Serra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hughes in this season's show. Matt Hughes has come off looking like a moron SO many times in this series.

I dont like how Serra didn't defended his title in a timly manner. He should have fought somebody 6 months ago.

I like Serra, but I think he over-coaches during the fights. You have to prepare these guys, get them a game plan, and then let them go out there and fight. I don't like the way he coaches during the fights.

I think Diego's public image has affected him the most. I think he has let the criticisms get to him whereas before he simply didn't listen to any of it. Win or lose, it sounded like he was getting booed at every event and I think that really got to him mentally.

Title defense every 6 months or you give it up. Only exemption is a medical injury, but time span can not exceed 9 months.

I think if Couture fought Fedor tomorrow it would be over quickly in favor of Couture. I think if they fought in 3 months Couture would have his way again. If they fought in 6 months and Fedor could squeeze in a couple between now and then I think it will be much more even.



This card tonight was one of the weakest is a long long time. And they have Evans vs Bisping for the main event next month? Uh yeah, thanks, but no thanks.

I didn't know that Serra was injured. I thought that Dana White held off on having him fight so that he and Hughes could square off after the Ultimate Fighter.

I don't mind the way that Serra coaches. The guy is kind of a nut, in a good way though. Really cares about his fighters. A lot of times a fighter will get into the octagon and be put into a tough spot. Fortunately, Serra is so damn loud, you can always hear the guy.

No clue what to say about Diego. Kid just boggles my mind these days. I wish he would get it together. I think he has insane talent. I actually picked him to beat St. Pierre if and when they fought.

The UFC tonight was pretty boring. I was completely dissappointed in the Vera vs Silvia fight. Silvia is just boring, and Vera never really got into it. Almost looked like the fight was fixed. It's funny that Tim always looks shocked when the crowd doesn't like him though. Guy never delivers.

Anderson Silva put on a clinic. I thought betting on Franklin would be a good idea in this one. Luckily I didn't. I was unimpressed with Silva's last two fights, but he has Rich's number for sure. Either that or he is just getting insanely good.

The UFC has soooooo much talent, and they throw together these random fights every month. I'm dissappointed. I still love it. But with as much talent as they have, they should really make the cards MUCH better than what we currently have.

I hear the undercard was very competitive, I think I'll enjoy them more than the main card bouts.

Please UFC bring in Lindland to crush Silva.

The undercards tend to be more entertaining lately then the main events. Yesterday was awesome. All of you posters at Sherdog aswell?

Who's the #1 contender in the middleweight division? If it was Franklin, then Silva is sick. Silva just brings so much to the table. What most impressed me about Silva was during the first round when Silva was on the ground, and it looked like Franklin would rain down a few major shots, but Silva's legs were constantly moving and Franklin couldn't do anything. I'm not sure if that's a testament to how good Silva looked or how bad Franklin looked, but that was one thing that really impressed me.

As for the Sylvia fight, Vera obviously hurt his hand during the third round or at the end of the second round. If he doesn't hurt himself he wins, because he has so much talent. I guess that's why Couture is the man, he broke his arm punching a guy in the face and still won the fight.

Early PPV fights were pretty weak. Probably the weakest PPV I've seen in a long time, even. The next one doesn't look that impressive either. Bisping is good and he might put together a good fight, he's just not a headliner in my opinion.

have you ever watched matt lindland fight? he is one of the more boring fighters out there and that's why he got released from teh UFC in the first place

it wasn't canceled, it was moved to april. Their show scheduling is already packed for mid dec-feb with teh TUF5 Finale, the End of the Year Big Show, a show in Newcastle Eng, and the Super Bowl show(Wanderlei/Liddell may get moved to that show to help with the gate). St. Pierre also wasn't going to be ready to go for the Montreal show in Jan, so, they made the wise decision and backed up the date so that it wouldn't be in the middle of a congested schedule and so that they could have the person that they want for the show





um, it hasn't been his call on when he's defended the title. Things got backed up due to a minor injury for Hughes and White wanted to schedule it around a big show along with having some extra hype coming out of TUF. TUF got backed up several weeks, so that messed with him fighting Hughes at the meadowlands.

Do you honestly believe he was ducking people. It makes little sense to destroy a big money fight to risk Serra in a random defense against any schmo. it's booking 101, the goal of the promotion is to make as much money as possible, and if teh build up to a money fight takes longer, the better. It's sheer stupidity to risk losing out on that kind of money if he were to lose to someone other then St. Pierre or Hughes

Mike Bisping isn't good and Hamill was robbed by the jury and he's really classless.

I wasn't implying that he was ducking anybody. I just wanted to see him fight sooner than it has been. I think its a mistake to wait this long just to tape a show very few people watch. If Serra fights 3 months after his title and wins again it would do more for the UFC ppv numbers than listening to him call Hughes a dick every week on TUF. I want to see him fight not coach.

When was the last fight of his that you watched? I take it not when he knocked out Horn standing, or his very entertaining fight with Rampage or submitting ground specialists Carlos Newton, Mike Van Arsdale or Fabio Leopoldo? If you keep up to date with what he has done you realise that he has developed and improved significantly.

the bolded portion is massively wrong. TUF draws a very good rating on cable, and TUF is part of the reason why the UFC is doing the numbers it's doing. If you look at the buy rates of the UFC Pre-TUF compared to the buy rates they are doing now it's night and day.





I've watched his fights, and he still is a boring fighter. His fight with Rampage wasn't that entertaining at all. Citing beating two over the hill fighters too in Newton and Van Arsdale is also a bit silly as Newton hasn't been a top fighter in years and Van Arsdale never was a top fighter. I do keep up to date and have done so before you even knew what MMA was. I've followed the sport closely for 11 years. The fact is, Lindland just isn't that exciting of a fighter, and I highly doubt that he will be resigned to the UFC because of that fact

Wow, you thought Lindland vs Rampage was not exciting? I thought it was great. Whether or not Newton and Arsdale are at the top of their games currently is irrelevant, those fights were exciting because he completely dominated them, and finished the fights. Besides, look at some of the UFC's top draws: Tito Ortiz, Sean Sherk and even Couture. These guys are wrestlers who sometimes (or usually) do not finish fights. I did not include Matt Hughes because I think, like Lindland, he is an exciting fighter because he looks to finish.

What is your definition of an exciting fight?

Just saw that Wanderlei Silva/Chuck Liddel is a go for December 29th.


Random thought for the day: Anderson Silva should move up to 205.

Can't wait to see Chuck and Wanderlei fight. Both of them need a win right now. If Chuck loses again, it might be time for him to think about retiring. Ironically, Silva will be his toughest opponent imo. He could have beaten Jardine at one point in his career. Not quite sure what happened there. I also think that he could beat Rampage at one point in his career. But possibly not now.

I would have to go with Silva in that fight.

As far as Anderson Silva goes, the guy looked great vs. Franklin. I wasn't terribly impressed with him in his Lutter fight though. He looked ok in his fight against .Marquadt. I believe that a wrestler has the best chance of defeating Silva. Trying to stand with him is kind of silly. Franklin should have tried to take that fight to the ground every chance he got.

Can't see why Silva would want to move up to 205 when he clearly is dominating 185. Could make for some interesting fights though.

Actually, I'd like to see Matt Hughes, St. Pierre, or Koscheck fight Silva. I think those would all be VERY good fights.

Silva is a big 185'er. He would be an extremely small 205'er and would have a huge advantage if one of those guys came up from 170. I don't see any of those scenarios happening.

How can you say Silva hasn't been impressive as well? He destroyed Franklin, was mounted and took minimal damage and submitted a BB BJJ guy in Luttter, dismantled a very good fighter in Marquadt, and then destroyed Franklin again. He was not even close to being in danger in any of these fights. That's pretty darn impressive to me.

Lindland wouldn't do squat against Silva. First Lutter was going to expose his ground game....and promptly got submitted after having full mount. Then Marquadt was going to expose his ground defense and promptly got pwned. Lindland has done nothing in the last two years to make me believe he would have a shot. However, I think he would be a very solid addition to the UFC even if he is on the fluffy side of blanket.

I am sure I will watch the Liddell-Silva fight, but with 1/4 of the interest I would have had they been able to put it together when Chuck was champ. The guys at the UFC have more money than they know what to do with and this fight is obv all about the money. These two guys are in the twilights of their careers with the loser very likely being sent into retirement.

Bisping is def not anywhere near the top of the food chain at 205. I think/hope Rashad pwns him.

About Serra's in fight coaching. I keep seeing his two star students being completely clueless when they get into the ring. They are both supposedly BJJ BB's yet Serra has to continually yell instructions while they look dumbfounded in the cage. I like the guy personally and think he has the best intentions, but he def over coaches imho.

It's not about whether a guy finishes a fight that makes it exciting or not, it's how they go about things in teh fight. I consider the Sakuraba/Gracie 1 1/2 hour match to be very exciting, at the same time, I don't find Lindland to be all that exciting. Lindland is a better version of Antonio McKie.

it's impossible to say what an exciting fight is, but, Matt Lindland is in very few of them, and if he is, it's because of the fighter on the other side of him. Why else do you think he hasn't be resigned by the UFC and why do you think he was dropped by them. The rampage fight was okay, but that was as good as lindland would look and that was about as bad as Rampage can look, that's not exactly a great thing.

also, saying that Sean Sherk is a top draw is silly, he has headlined only 1 PPV and doesn't have a history of drawing big money at all

Anybody else looking forward to seeing Brock Lesnar fight?

I have a feeling he will be hyped like no other in the UFC then procede to disapoint. Having said that I do really want to see him fight just for curiousity. Dont know how much they spent on him but if it was anywhere close to what Fedor wanted I think they made a mistake. After the departure of Randy they do need a big name for heavyweights.

I doubt that they spent more on lesnar then they would've for fedor. Personally as a wrestling fan, I'm very excited to see lesnar fight, and I'm excited as a UFC and MMA fan. It's obvious that he won't go right into fighting the top fighters. He is a guy that can bring in big money for the UFC and will hopefully be a top fighter himself

Silva is a BJJ Black belt. He won't be beat on the ground.

I don't know anything about Lesner... does he have any sort of mma background at all? I just assumed he was a huge guy that they got for ratings. does he have any skill whatsoever?

He was a succesful amature wrestler before getting into he WWE.

then how come he was submitted in the past to a flying heel hook? BJJ black belts have been submitted from the ground, that's a silly assumption that you have there




two time NCAA HW champ and would've had an extremely good shot at the olympic team if he wanted to go that route. His pro wrestling training was also with Brad Rheingans and was done in a traditional Japanese style, so he was taught submissions and submission defense when he was trained for pro wrestling before he then decided to fully train for MMA after leaving NJPW

Noone ever saw that heel hook coming and it's rather impossible to avoid in that situation as it was performed perfect.

I know, but to say that he won't be beat on the ground is just way too presumptuous. Sakuraba was able to get Royce Gracie into a nasty knee bar that anyone with a normal mind would've tapped from, he also submitted two other Gracie's. Is citing Sakuraba an extreme citation, yes, but to say that Silva won't be beat on the ground is just as extreme. things happen in fights that you can't predict

I think the finish is the most exciting part of the fight, so I guess we just have different opinions on what is exciting. I think Lindland is exciting because he finishes fights, and until he gets that finish he is constantly working for position and gnp.

I think the reason he didn't get resigned is more to do with his marketability.

Silva has also been triangled by another Japanese fighter whose name escapes me.

Lets not buy into the concept that just because Silva is a BJJ black belt, he won't be submitted. I mean the mere thought of that is kind of silly imo. His strength is in his stand up, not an the ground. Just about everyone from Brazil has a BJJ black belt.

I was really impressed with Silva in his last fight with Rich Franklin. But for some reason, it seems like Franklin is tailor made for Silva. I suggested to someone that they bet on Franklin in the fight. They later asked what Franklin had changed in his game in order to be able to change the outcome. Sadly, he didn't really change much. All in all, Silva is just a better fighter.

But if you watch the Lutter fight, that to me was much more intersting. Lutter is much better at BJJ than Silva imo. Why on earth he waited until the last minute to try and make weight is completely beyond me. But the man was clearly only fighting at 50-60% capacity. Lutter was doing well in the fight until he gassed. He simply did not have the energy to pull of submissions. Conversely, the submission that Silva pulled off could have been easily defended if Lutter was in better shape.

I've grown to like Silva a lot, but I definitely don't think he's ubeatable. Nor do I think he can't and won't be submitted.

I strongly believe that a wrestler with good submission skills will be the one to beat Silva.

In a few years Mike Swick would be a worthy opponent. For the time being, they need to find someone who is very good on the ground.

Regardless of size, I think that St. Pierre would be able to defeat Silva.................