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I am DEFINITELY not saying this is why BJ got his ash whooped, but that doesn't mean that BJ doesn't have a legit gripe...

"B.J. Penn's camp has filed a formal complaint with the Nevada State Athletic Commission over Vaseline that was allegedly rubbed on Georges St. Pierre's back between rounds one and two. UFC president Dana White said at the post-fight press conference that he was aware of the complaint, and said he personally witnessed members of the commission take the Vaseline away from GSP's camp and rebuke them in the Octagon between rounds.

"I saw the commission jump up there and flipping out," said Dana White. They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think."

"The guys from the athletic commission went up there and started screaming at them. Knocked the Vaseline and kicked the Vaseline out of the Octagon."

White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight, but you don't do it," and said the blame should fall on the cornerman responsible and not GSP.

"If a guy was intentionally putting Vaseline on a guy's back, he should never corner a mixed martial arts fight again."

As for what becomes of the complaint now, White said it's out of his hands.

"Who knows. That's up to the commission."

The issue had nothing to do with pre-fight, but obv had to so with some issue before round 2. In round 2 it was apparent that BJ's normally tough guard was getting easily passed. If it has anything to do with the fact that GSP had Vaseline on his back, then the Penn camp has a gripe.

If the commission finds someone guilty of using the Vaseline that was clearly found in GSP's corner...then it does "taint" the win, but I wouldn't take it away from GSP...he clearly was the better fighter.

Maybe not at 170. He is still the best fighter in the world at 155, which I would consider a 'great' accomplishment.

There's been fights overturned to a NC after a fighter's been caught greasing. The fight between Akiyama and Sakuraba was an example of that. It's probably unlikely much comes of this, but it's is a possibility.

Who knows if it would have made a difference in the end, but greasing does make guard work impossible and it would make BJ's guard much easier to pass. Seeing as how GSP was able to so easily pass BJ's guard, it's something to think about. I also noticed when he was using his high guard and rubber guard that his legs would slide right off and he couldn't hold those positions either.

As great a fighter BJ is, I think the sport's just evolved now to the point where weight classes are there for a reason and the size difference can be too much to make up in some instances. GSP was able to just overpower BJ in a way never seen before and it was really just shocking to watch. GSP had a great game plan, wore BJ down pressing him up against the cage, got takedowns and landed some effective ground and pound. He won the way I expected him to be able to win, but his ground and pound and passing was shocking to me. Right now GSP is on top of his game and he's going to be incredibly tough to beat as he seems to have perfected his style now.

That was pretty gross to see how easily GSP was working in and passing BJ's guard. Honestly though, if it would have been an even fight and BJ was allowed to grease his legs and hips to prevent GSP from taking him down who knows what would have happened. I thought BJ gassed pretty hard as well. You just can't bring that kind of conditioning into the ring. It looked like GSP could very well have broken BJ's jaw with that first gnp punch that bounced BJ's head off the mat.

GSP is a great fighter, but the way he was passing BJ's guard it was hard not to think something was up.
edit: FTR, I thought BJ got hurt again or just gassed super hard...didn't even occur to me GSP could have greased

Not sure how much truth there is to this yet, but there's word spreading around that BJ popped his rib in the 2nd round while going for mission control, similar to how he hurt it against Hughes in their fight.

That along with the greasing could explain why BJ looked so stagnant off his back like he couldn't do anything. Usually we see BJ with a very active guard where he goes for sweeps and works his high guard, but this fight he was pretty much all defense and trying to recover guard. It's just incredibly hard to even keep BJ on his back much less pass his guard and it seemed like BJ lacked any kind of explosiveness in his core to get GSP off him. He couldn't buck or scramble, his back was firmly on the ground the entire fight. That could just be the size and strength difference, but it seems like there was more to it than that to me.

jdrury and i bought the card over at his house..to try and have a semi reasonable environment to watch the fights in...

****ing charter blacks out as Kim is walking out..so we miss that entire fight and have to rush to the Hooters up the street...where we sat in a corner(no table)

in order to watch the fights


lol****ingl

Ugh of course it has to be a tainted victory. BJ had no offence from the opening bell. Couldnt do anything on his feet but stuff GSP's take down attempts in the first. The grease if it was not properly wiped off probally didnt change the end result. BJ was gassed from about the middle of the second on. GSP is simply too big for BJ as I believe Anderson Silva is just to big for GSP to have a shot. I see Alves only shot is to land a haymaker in the first 15-20 seconds before GSP takes him down and beats him to a pulp.

Edit: I love Guida and not a big fan of the Diaz brothers antics but I thought Diaz won the second and third.

Well, the rib injury report has been shown to be false, but the greasing complaint definitely stands.

Here's an article interviewing BJ's trainer about it here.

For the rest of the card, Machida looked awesome and I expected a KO given Silva's style of walking straight ahead with no angles. Machida just picked him apart and I've always said he hit really hard.

I thought Diaz and Dong deserved decisions in their fights, but they weren't the worst decisions ever either. I just felt like they were trying to do more whereas Karo and Guida were initiating the clinch and and not doing much offensively.

Jones is awesome, amazing display of wrestling. He basically executed every wrestling takedown in the book in the same fight. He also held his own striking and once he can improve his ground game, he's going to be incredibly tough to beat. Even right now, he's a tough fight for anyone despite his inexperience.

Surprised in everyone's thoughts on Diaz. I thought it was clearly Guida across. Every time Diaz tried a toss, Guida kept his back and stayed on him.

I agree with this... I can't say Guida was terribly exciting the last couple rounds...but I was thinking a 29-28 victory for Guida before the decision and was glad to see it go that way. Diaz was clearly frustrated with his inability to get out of the grip of Guida.

And I think there can be NO doubt anymore that GSP is one of the top conditioned fighters in the sport. At the end of that 4th round he looked like he could've gone 10 more.

I think most gave the 2nd round to Guida and the 3rd round to Diaz, so that would make the 1st round the difference maker. I gave more credit to the strikes Diaz landed earlier in the round rather what Guida did later on in the round. It was a close fight and either fighter getting it is fine really.

I'm definitely not a fan of Guida's style though, his last 2 fights have been lay and pray type fights. I guess you can't fault him really though because he's doing the best with what he has skill and talent wise. I'm just not a fan of his.

yeah, except when it takes a dump with 22 seconds left to go in the 4th round of the main event. gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawdammit.





damn you sal paradise.

I felt that the first round was the clearest round in terms of scoring. Diaz scored early in the round with striking, but after they clinched Guida totally shut him down. Guida scored two takedowns including a massive slam, had his back and threatened with a RNC, passed to side control and scored with vicious elbows (which caused the welt on Diaz's eye).

Definitely 10-9 Guida.

Agreed, Guida came out with a lot more energy (typical of him) and was able to move side to side/in and out nicely early. He controlled most of the round. I also didn't notice a lot of Diaz's pesky jabs connecting early which is his usual strength. Guida's speed early took away the reach advantage of Diaz; but then in the 3rd round as Guida slowed down he started to eat a lot more punches.

Overall, a lot of hype for a mediocre night. It started off pretty boring to say the least, but at least it picked up later on. That was a nice KO from Machida with 0.0001 sec left in the round. Also, I really liked that Jones guy who fought Bonner, very talented (he's only 20 or 21), I think we'll be seeing more of him. Can't stand watching Guida fights, he's mastered that style but it's just boring as hell.

I don't "understand" the "way" you use "quotation" marks.

BJ is the best in the world @ 155. His training issues have been a distant memory since he droped to LW. He lost to a guy who is bigger and generally ranked in everyone's top 3 P4P rankings. I don't understand how anyone could think that he is no longer great.

I thought Diaz should have had the victory over Guida. All Guida did for two rounds was try and hold him from behind, he didn't land a single shot that did damage or have any takedowns. Diaz was the one doing all the takedowns, Clay was just holding on for dear life. Not to mention the round they kept stand up was dominated by Diaz's jab.

Machida was very impressive. I think it's hilarious that because he is a counter striker that tries not to take damage people find him boring when one of the most popular fighters in the UFC (Lidell) does the same thing.

Penn looked hurt in the second round, he just wasn't acting like himself. Obviously he is going to have conditioning problems when he has to put on weight for a fight compared to guys who are naturally bigger and stronger who are cutting for the fight and then when they get in the ring have a 15-20 lb weight advantage. At 155 I don't think anyone in the world can touch Penn, and he still should be 1-1 against GSP.

The guy who fought Bonner could be pretty solid if he gets some cardio, he gassed way to early in the fight.

Well, he has 2 losses vs. GSP, one vs. Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida, and Pulver. The Pulver loss is really the only bad loss he's had and he avenged that one. I think it's safe to say that he's great, but if he keeps trying to challenge himself by fighting bigger opponents, it will affect his legacy.

His loss to Pulver wasn't bad either. Pulver at the time was probably the best lightweight in the world and it was BJ's 4th fight. It was a close split decision that could have gone either way. He was a favorite for the fight, but it wasn't like Pulver was a chump either. He had a ton of experience on BJ heading into that fight. This fight against GSP is really the only fight where you can say he definitively lost aside from the Matt Hughes fight where he hurt his rib. I'm not sure how he's going to recover from this fight and he seems to have lost some of his drive and hunger to be a great fighter. All he used to care about was his legacy and now it seems some of his priorities in life have changed. He seems to have changed his mindset ever since having his daughter. I think the timing of him having his first child while heading into the biggest fight of his career just wasn't ideal circumstances for him.

He took a beating in this fight, some of those shots GSP was landing would have KO'd most other fighters. BJ's head was flat on the canvas and absorbing the impact of the entire blow. He more than likely suffered a concussion and didn't know what was going on at the end of the fight. His aura of invincibility is gone after this fight and I don't know he's going to handle that. He could use it to get better like GSP has after his fight with Serra or he could just decide to retire. It really wouldn't surprise me that much if he did decide to retire or have a couple more fights and call it quits. BJ's always been an all or nothing guy and if he can't be the best fighter on the planet, I'm not sure if he wants to continue fighting.

That actually is the only fight I can remember that was really stopped AFTER the round was over. I mean maybe the punch got in there before the horn...but there was a multi-second delay where the ref was just seperating them cause of the end of the round, and then he turned around and looked back and was like, oh shit, he is KTFO, all over.

Also, nobody should take anything Hollywood says too seriously. He has some serious diarrhea of the mouth regardless of the topic.

Definitely want to see more of Jones, he needs to work cardio though. W/out that huge back of the head elbow landing that may have been a very different fight, Bonnar took a long time to recover from that and was clearly winning the fight in the late stages. Dig the kid though.

Machida fought the most beautiful round in UfC history. Just total domination, throws, strikes whatever. I think he'll tool Evans pretty handily.

At this point, I really don't see anybody beating Machida. The guy is brilliant when it comes to game plan.

Greg Jackson isn't bad himself.

Rashad is one of the smaller LHW's though and I just don't see how he will be able to get through Machida's defenses.

It sounds like Machida might be fighting Rampage anyway.

? If Rampage beats Jardine it's Rashad/Rampage and if Jardine beats Ramapge then it's Rashad/Lyoto, at leas that's how I understand it.

A lot more is coming out about the GSP greasing incident. It appears as though BJ mentioned to the someone in the NSAC during the fight that GSP was greasy between rounds. It seems like this also isn't the first time this has happened as other fighters have complained before about GSP being greasy. Mayhem Miller has said GSP was very greasy in their fight. Sherk has also said the same thing. Other fighters have also mentioned fighters from Greg Jackson's camp being greasy such as Rashad Evans and Roger Huerta in their fights against Tito and Florian. Is it all a coincidence? Possibly, but I don't think this is something you can just discount either. I'm sure more will come of this story in the coming days.

Some interesting stuff going on.

Most people are focusing on GSP being greased during the fight. That's an issue for sure, and we will have to see how that plays out.

But nobody is talking about the fact that BJ quit. Anyway you slice it, HE threw in the towel.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of BJ. I also like GSP. I had no clue who was going to win before the fight, so I avoided it.

BJ called GSP a quitter etc. And nobody seems to notice that BJ essentially tapped in between the 4th and 5th round.

Even more of a story to me is all the talk of BJ retiring. Apparently he appeared on Hawaiin TV and said if he won he was retiring with both belts but doesn't want to go out on a loss so is unsure about his future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuJSQJOiwM...033&page=12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJf56oxY-7A
Two greasing videos. I want this to go away, but that looks awfully intentional. I say ban that guy and Jackson, who Keith Kizer claims to have seen do the same, from being inside the octagon between rounds but still let them work corners, I mean it seems like SOMETHING has to be done about it.

Yea the greasing was bad but do you guys think BJ would take a rematch with GSP? I dont think so.

Gonzaga -155 is screaming at me. What do you guys think?

Good point about BJ not taking rematch. I think he wants to now dominate 155 forever and go down as one of the most dominant champions ever rather than more dominating losses.

Love Gonzaga too, but will watch as many of Carwin's fights as I can before making a bet. But it's just so easy seeing this fight going ~1 minute of Gonzaga fading and frustrating him, suckering him into a takedown, dominating into a finish.

This gave me a chuckle

Of course theis would imply that BJ actually made a offensive move against GSP. He was way to tennitive to have a chance. He looked scared to me from weigh in stare down to the pre fight intros. Even the final scene from episode 3 of primetime when he is leaving Hawaii he seemed to have a look of doom in his eyes.

Lool, That's awesome.

I have a quick question about MMA fighting in general maybe some of you answer for me. Why is there rarely a bloody nose? Do they do something to their noses that prevents it most of the time (thinking nose packs or something but they wouldn't be able to breathe so that seems unlikely)? Or are the fighters just good enough that they never really take a direct blow to the nose? Years of abuse has conditioned their noses to take the punishment? Something else?

Just something I thought about today and figured someone might know the answer.

I would guess if you have been fighting MMA long enough you have had your nose broken at least once. There are a lot of bloody noses, but I have never heard of anyone using "nose packs" or anything of the sort.

Maybe someone in the know can give a definitive answer.

Nothing jumps out at me for tommorows card betting wise so i will stay away. I like Diego in a couple of weeks but would like to see the -225 drop a little.

BJ accepts GSP's challenge for a third fight. I cant see this actually getting done but if the numbers of 1.3 million buys was correct the UFC probally will be willing to make it happen so soon. I dont see the end result changing if it does occur.

Ahh couldnt resist. parlayed up Luigi, Mac, and Joe for about +800 on a small bet.

isn't a parlay when all three have to come in? That seems risky in an MMA event. GL

Yea I liked the 2 favorites but not enough to put enough money to make a decent score so I looked for a underdog to parlay them with and Luigi stood out as decent value. Didnt put a ton of thought into it just wanted a little action on the card.

This is why I've never once gambled on any sporting event in my life. I fear that once I do, I won't be able to watch any of it without having action on it.

I mean, I do a weekly football pool for $10 a week and have once in a blue moon done the super bowl pick a box thing, but never have put money down on a team to win. I'd likely turn to a degen. Well, a bigger degen.

On Danzig and Lauzon tonight. Also, here is a pic of the guy Cain Valazquez is fighting (lol). I would REALLY like to see the Tibau/Clementi and Pellegrino/Emerson fights, hopefully they get bumped up on time, I can't see the Valazquez fight going past, say, 12 seconds.

0-2 so far - you are close to winning the reverse parlay!

That Mac/Neer fight had potential to be fight of the night. Wish it didn't end halfway through. I was hoping Mac would pound his face in the way Neer was acting.

solid action card. No complaints at all from me.

Neer seems like a douche, but he's tough.


Lauzon's style makes for excitement, but he needs to get a more vicious ground and pound. I think when he's on top, he's strictly looking for subs, which is cool too. I love the subs. Food and jiu jitsu

Fun fights to watch. You could tell Lauzon has trained with BJ, he's looking awesome. Other fights were good. Neer should be fun to watch and Danzig I thought would be able to avoid subs, lost small on the card was on Lauzon and Danzig, oh well.

I thought it was a good night of fights.

I just watched the Clementi/Tibau fight on ufc.com and I don't think I have ever seen Clementi schooled like that. It didn't look like he was in the fight at any point.

Cain's opponent has a damn solid chin. Cain was teeing off and it just didn't look like it was fazing him.

Danzig just looks small to me for 155.

I thought the Veach/Grice was a horrible stoppage. Grice was defending himself significantly more than Veach was earlier in the fight. The ref let Veach take soooo much damage and then stopped the fight as soon as Grice hit the mat. Me no comprendo.

Thought Anthony Johnson looked solid.

No action on that card as nothing stood out at me. In hindsight I won huge though.

His ground and pound is some of the best around. He just didn't use it this fight, but if you watch his other fights, he's very good at it.

This is awesome

http://www.offworld.com/2009/02/dream-team...x-brings-p.html

^ that was sweet.

I found this crappy video of the UFC game that is going to come out, looks like fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMSO1NS-hBM...feature=related
The guy in the background is annoying at first but he's kind of funny.

Anybody else feel like Sanchez is going to be a force at 155lbs? He's already beaten the #1 contender in the division and he was like a top 5 in the UFC's WW division. He'll actually be a big fighter for his division (instead of a relatively small one compared to guys like finch/gsp/alves) so I could see him coming into title contention at a later date. Also, WW is stacked compared to LW.

Was a good move down from Sanchez should account for Stevenson, I also see Sanchez just been too strong for some of the guys at 155. Probably the least exciting card UFC have put out in a while but the overseas ones seem to be like that, only other fight I'll show a bit of interest in is the Koscheck V Thiago fight

Just read online that UFC may not be allowed to go to montreal due to some changes at the quebec athletic commission...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/2009/02/12/ufc_qac/