He wasn't kicked off because Dana wanted to see him get beat up...plain and simple. Since he gave him that 2nd chance after the 1st drinking incident and the hilarious cage rage...he knew that Junie wanted to punk his way out. So instead Dana did the better thing imo...and let Efrain beat his ass!!




I don't think any Vinny fight will be boring because he is always moments away from submitting people. Unlike a Koscheck for example, who only wants to dry hump ya for 3 rounds, Vinny is looking to finish you on the ground and his jits is insane. Bader may be more like a Koscheck type, but if this fight hits the ground I doubt it will be boring. I think Krystoff was fighting a good fight and did try and keep it standing, but all it takes was getting taken down one last time and it was gg.

I agree that Efrain and Felipe will be awesome, but Felipe is just too slick for Efrain. Just glad Efrain got to shut up that little biatch Junie.

- What happened if Junie won that fight? Dana would be an idiot, most of us would be upset he got the shot. He should have been kicked off and never heard from again.
-I don't agree that the Vinnie will be boring fight. It's like a Hazelett fight, the UFC wanted him on the undercard, which baffles me

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03ZSgTzdNKguF/340x.jpg

If this is the result of dry humping then the next time my girlfriend bends over the kitchen counter I'm going to tell her we're skipping the foreplay because it's just too dangerous.

He's gotten better now, but many of his earlier fights were just textbook lay and pray. You can't fault him really, he was a great wrestler and not well rounded otherwise. But I do give him credit for getting better and being more exciting, sometimes.

Yeah, agreed. I mean, every time he fights I'm not exactly on the edge of my seat screaming at the tv, but you at least have to give him credit for progressing at AKA into someone who is a high level welterweight.

On Wiman and Kos tonight. Should be a decent night of fights.

OMG sick armbar. Also a fighter got his leg broke from a kick in the prelims.

The UFC has the Cory Hill Dale Hart fight up on their site for free. If you don't know what happened and don't have a weak stomach, I suggest checking it out.

I couldn't even look @ the armbar. When he didn't tap and then it got twisted and pulled out further, I could see the snap coming...just had to avert my eyes for a moment. There were some damn good finishes though; it was especially good for a free card. Koschek ruined that guy..

Just watched the Corey Hill fight. Gross! (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/7762-CoryHill.jpg) I'll just link the picture because I assume some people may be grossed out.

Ana lol at that guy not tapping from the armbar. Some people are total idiots. Actually, right when that fight started, I said to my dad that he was going to lose in some highlight reel fashion. His fighting stance was terrible.

I forgot their names, but the fight last night where the guy got knees to the head like 20 times in a row was brutal! I couldn't believe the ref let it go for so long. Rogan was right, worst lump on the head I've ever seen also.

Maybe you've never seen this one

Yeah I couldn't watch it either when they replayed the arm bar. The guy should have tapped, but those were some lame post-fight antics by Cantwell. First he makes the snapping something thing with his hands and then after in the interview he's like he's been waiting to break somebody's arm for a long time. That's just a prick thing to say and it's hard to cheer for somebody like that.

But yeah please nobody post those gifs on here, don't think I got the stomach to see them, especially Corey Hill's broken leg.

I don't know, did you see the one last night? It went like all the way across his forehead. It looked a lot bigger than the one in your pic.

Just watched the Corey Hill fight. How long does it take for something like that to heal?

I did see that one last night. They were both really bad, but the Vargas one was just disgusting imo.

As for Hill, I think I heard he's out for 12-18 months. It looks pretty career ending, considering his frame. He needs to beef up if he decides to come back.

That was a quite enjoyable card.

And here's Haseem Rahman:

Leg Break


If you've never seen it.... wow.

It's my favorite leg break video ever.

Wow, I would have gotten killed on this card.........luckily I had no action.

I would have picked Magalhaes, Nover, Kaplan, Macdonald and Johnson.

Obviously I win with Johnson but get crushed with the others. And three of the others were decent to huge favorites.

Also had no action, almost but something on MacDonald, though.

For 92 I have action on all three big fights. Nog at -350, Griffin at -125, Wand at -115.

It only took 41-seconds for Bobby Lashley to win his MMA debut fight against Joshua Franklin last night at the American Airlines Arena in Miami, Florida. Lashley scored a takedown and then opened up the forehead of Franklin with punches, which caused the fight to be stopped. Franklin was also making his MMA debut in this fight.

Not sure this is entirely accurate, but the BJ/GSP fight has opened betting odds at -245 GSP and BJ Penn at +175. The line seems pretty off and I think it'll get pretty close to even come fight night with a lot of late money on BJ. I think +175 on BJ is huge value right now.

http://www.mmabay.co.uk/Video%2000016.html
Bj spends $100k for high altitude machine to sleep in a plastic bag to prepare.

I haven't looked yet, but those are crazy odds.

Only Bodog would make those kinds of odds, lol.

Lots of value for BJ given that price. I will have to wait and see where the odds end up. But BJ is getting a great price for those who believe he is going to win. It is such a close fight imo................

Rampage up to +105 and Wandy -135 and Forrest/Rashad is -115 both ways now on Bodog, lots of movement lately.

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LAGUNA NIGUEL, Calif. -- A mixed martial arts fighter and his wife were found shot to death in a Laguna Niguel condominium in what authorities said was an apparent murder-suicide.

The bodies of Justin Levens and his wife, Sarah McLean-Levens, were found Wednesday afternoon, Orange County sheriff's officials said. The 28-year-old Levens competed in the Ultimate Fighting Championship and other organizations.

Sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said the couple was found by the woman's mother, who called 911.

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I am taking Wandy big, and Forrest and Mir Small. I think the Forrest bet is more from the heart than from the head though.

Really? Mir... hmm, I like Nog huge. Never been finished and Mir has always had awful conditioning.If Fedor 3 times/Cro Cop/Barnett twice/Herring 3 times/Werdum/Ricco/Hendon twice/Coleman/Goodridge/Sylvia could never finish him, I don't see where Mir will.

I agree 100%. Nog should win this fight easily.

I like Wand and Rashad on the others, but I think the Griffin/Rashad and Wand/Page fights could go either way.

I'm pretty excited about the upcoming UFC.

I'll talk about all of the fights a bit later in the week.

One fight I want to point out is Nog vs Mir.

Mir is a pretty intelligent guy, but I can't see how he wins the fight. Literally. Of course it's MMA and anything can happen. But this is about the worst match up Mir could ask for.

He actually said, I don't think I can win. All I have to do is survive for 5 rounds.

That's pretty much my assessment of marriage right there.

BTW, since I will be checking this thread now I just want to say that I haven't really paid attention to MMA until maybe the past 6 months, I just hadn't really decided to give it the time of day. Then, one day I was watching SPIKE out of sheer boredom and I caught a match between 2 guys who just wailed on each other and I was hooked. It was an undercard, just two guys with shitty records who fought like there life was on the line. Impressive stuff.

Is there ever value in betting a -300 and change fav?

Only favorite bigger than that that I bet was Anderson +500 against Irvin. I think anytime when you have 2 strikers and one is clearly better there is value.

Yes. I have done it plenty of times. I used to think that it was a bit too high. But at the end of the day, a 3-1 favorite is just that. Sometimes he is even a bigger favorite then what the lines would suggest. We can discuss further if you like.

I don't know just what the current price is, I was just talking hypothetically.

I was thinking of what amount you'd have to put up to win a worthwhile amount. Gambling on a micro-roll, just seems like a risk/reward problem.

For a fight like Nog I think there is a ton of value. I don't see where a guy is 'too big' of a favorite. Sure there is the anything can happen factor, so I don't think anyone is really ever more than 95ish% for a fight, but in a matchup like Nog/Mir where Nog is 78% but I think he is way more than that, I see no reason why not to bet him. I think this plays in a lot in Japan etc promotions where they often put good, top fighters against cans just to get them over, but the books are, I think, a little skeptical to make guys upwards of -500 when they are clearly higher than that.

Also want to get your guys opinions on early lines as I think it's where the most profitable lines are.

GSP -200
BJ +165

Lyoto -325
Thiago +250

Shogun -365
Coleman +285

I see value in BJ Penn. However, it is a REALLY close fight. The only reason I see value is because it's about an even money fight.

Machida should win, but I don't like that price at all. Silly line imo.

Huge value in Shogun. That's a very good price.

Took BJ and Shogun yesterday fairly large for what I normally bet. Was betting huge against Coleman no matter what, the books amaze me with lines like these.

Saw these today, thought maybe the fcp mma crew hadn't seen it yet...first is a really cool highlight vid, and the next might be the best ground fights I've ever seen.

highlight

best ground fight ever?


Merry Christmas

thanks jc. Are you still at xtreme?

nah I hurt my knee real bad in june went back in early september or something and it got bad again...realized it was my fault for just jumping straight in with no flexibility. I'm moving to Mexico city in a couple months, they have a Gracie school there, I'm doing tons of yoga till then so I can start back up

Anyone want to do a small $40 bet for Rampage/Wand fight? Wand is a slight fav right now, but I'll take Rampage even.

Will only bet with someone who has a Stars account, so we can ship easily.

My stars SN: Nico818

PM me.

Sure I will take Wand. grocery_mony on Stars. Officially booked imo.

Bogdan Cristea.........I saw this guy in a movie. Pretty sure it was X-Men. He had some sort of super human flexibility.

We got a bet.

If I lose I might not be back till Sunday but will do my best to ship Sat night. I am gonna play the Guiness tourney so i will deffinatly be back Sunday morning.

I will go against the crowd and say I see value in Coleman at that line. Wrestlers seem to be able to hang on and compete longer than any other discipline. Shogun showed nothing against Forrest. I know he has more skill than his brother but Ninja just fell like a stone in his ability in the last year.

Book me for $20?

lool yea pretty much what I thought.

So, here are the current lines. Any thoughts..........

Ultimate Fighting Championships 92: Heavyweights
Sat 12/27 Cheick Kongo vs Mostapha Al Turk
07:00 PM 449 Cheick Kongo -326
450 Mostapha Al Turk +296
Sat 12/27 Antoni Hardonk vs Mike Wessel
05:00 PM 453 Antoni Hardonk -370
454 Mike Wessel +340
Sat 12/27 Pat Barry vs Dan Evensen
05:00 PM 459 Pat Barry -221
460 Dan Evensen +201
Ultimate Fighting Championships 92: Light Heavyweight Championship
Sat 12/27 Forrest Griffin vs Rashad Evans
09:00 PM 441 Forrest Griffin -130
442 Rashad Evans +120
Ultimate Fighting Championships 92: Light Heavyweights
Sat 12/27 Quinton Jackson vs Wanderlei Silva
08:00 PM 443 Quinton Jackson +109
444 Wanderlei Silva -119
Sat 12/27 Matt Hamil vs Reese Andy
05:00 PM 455 Matt Hamil -406
456 Reese Andy +366
Ultimate Fighting Championships 92: Middleweights
Sat 12/27 CB Dollaway vs Mike Massenzio
07:30 PM 447 CB Dollaway -160
448 Mike Massenzio +150
Sat 12/27 Yushin Okami vs Dean Lister
05:00 PM 451 Yushin Okami -375
452 Dean Lister +345
Ultimate Fighting Championships 92: UFC Heavyweight Championship
Sat 12/27 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs Frank Mir
08:30 PM 445 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira -346
446 Frank Mir +316
Ultimate Fighting Championships 92: Welterweights
Sat 12/27 Ryo Chonan vs Brad Blackburn
05:00 PM 457 Ryo Chonan -163
458 Brad Blackburn +153

I really think nothing of Coleman, it isn't just the 'wrestler' vs. 'Brazilian' IMO. Coleman has done almost zero in his career past 1997. Sure he won the Pride tourney, but didn't look great, and I'd be surprised if he wasn't on some sort of steroid, as I believe this is the first time Coleman is ever getting tested for a fight. He was a solid 225 ripped as could be, I expect him to show up significantly smaller than his normal size. Besides beating Vovchancyn who had fought two hard fights that night compared to Coleman's easy one, I guess his most impressive win is Don Frye in 03, except for the phony Shogun fight. And this is the fight Shogun wanted, and I believe he's got the motivation to prepare for this. He was the best 205er in the world for a reason. A top notch 205er vs. Coleman is way upwards of 85% IMO.

Going old school with this one

Al Turk

Wessel

Evansen

All in on silva (pissed he was +120 or something a few weeks ago)



Wont bet rashad even though I think he's getting a great price

Andy

Dolloway

Lister

Mir

Ryo




I think the really interesting line is Mir....Nog's been knocked down both his last fights in the octagon, but by two dudes that had no clue how to finish a semi unconscious opponent. Mir's stand up is underrated imo, he's hungry and if he does get a good shot he'll know how to finish on the ground. I think Mir will try to avoid the ground entirely this fight and although nog is a big fav imo I think +316 is pretty ****ing decent.

thoughts?