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jdrury12
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Tuesday, November 11th, 2008, 3:53 PM) *
Sadollah out with leg infection. Mcrory/Hazelett to the main card

Very good news. I can't wait to see this, and I think it will be good exposure to a lot of those new fans tuning in for the first time to see Brock.
AimHigher
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Tuesday, November 11th, 2008, 10:30 PM) *
Very good news. I can't wait to see this, and I think it will be good exposure to a lot of those new fans tuning in for the first time to see Brock.


Not for Sodallah, but hopefully Hazelett pulls off some kind of crazy transition from a whizzer to a flying armbar to help illustrate the majesty of jits to the casual fans.

Speaking of which, I'm finding that sub and putting it back in my sig.
gatortom64
Bobby Lashley’s First MMA Opponent Announced
Posted by Larry Csonka on 11.12.2008

And it is…

Former WWE Superstar Bobby Lashley will face Joshua Franklin at the December 13th Mixed Fighting Alliance event in Miami, Florida. It will be the MMA debut for both men.
bdc30
I like Noguiera more and more with every TUF episode I watch.
grocery_mony
You guys hear the drama with Randy an Affliction? Randy's wife got a restraining against the boss at Affliction(sounds like a real shady dude with a long criminal record) who is accused of making threats against the Coutures since they demanded a detailed accounting of the sales of the Extreme Couture line of clothing. He has been barred from showing up at the fight and the weigh ins aswell. Just what a guy needs to have on his mind going into a huge fight.
AimHigher
Anybody who's picking Lesnar want to give me Randy at +110? They have him at +112 on pinnaclesports.com but I don't want to go through all the non sense identity verification they make you do just in order to makea deposit.
bdc30
I will bet it for you if you want to swap funds on a site (depending on how much you were looking for). I have an account at pinny
AimHigher
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, November 13th, 2008, 4:13 PM) *
I will bet it for you if you want to swap funds on a site (depending on how much you were looking for). I have an account at pinny


Awesome smile.gif

I just wanted to make a smallish bet like $20 anyway. If I shipped it to you on stars, would that be satisfactory?
bdc30
yep stars would be fine - i'll be home from work at 7pm and post it then
AimHigher
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, November 13th, 2008, 6:56 PM) *
yep stars would be fine - i'll be home from work at 7pm and post it then


Thanks man smile.gif

I'm not sure if I'll be around at 7pm so I just shipped you $20 on stars now. I still had your name in my transfer history from the WSOP pool.
Franchise632
Hey guys....I am trying to raise a few bucks for a trip I am taking to Chicago...was hoping some FCP folks might be able to help me out on my Ebay page...I have the first 5 seasons of Ultimate Fighter up for bid. They have low starting bids. Would appreciate it! Thanks.

Franchises Ebay Store Link
thelivewire
Lesnar should win...Randy is 45 and hasn't fought in a year plus. I give him major props if he pulls it off, but he should get his tail kicked in. All the talk about Brock's cardio, nonsense. Guy was a decorated NCAA champ and is a workout freak. Hope it goes five rounds.
ford14
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Wednesday, November 12th, 2008, 8:55 PM) *
You guys hear the drama with Randy an Affliction? Randy's wife got a restraining against the boss at Affliction(sounds like a real shady dude with a long criminal record) who is accused of making threats against the Coutures since they demanded a detailed accounting of the sales of the Extreme Couture line of clothing. He has been barred from showing up at the fight and the weigh ins aswell. Just what a guy needs to have on his mind going into a huge fight.


http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Todd...2-8DAF65C37BC7}

He just resigned as well. Anger management issues? Wonder what the whole story is here.
jdrury12
QUOTE (thelivewire @ Friday, November 14th, 2008, 1:17 AM) *
Lesnar should win...Randy is 45 and hasn't fought in a year plus. I give him major props if he pulls it off, but he should get his tail kicked in. All the talk about Brock's cardio, nonsense. Guy was a decorated NCAA champ and is a workout freak. Hope it goes five rounds.

Sylvia should have won, Gonzaga should have won. But they didn't, that's the Randy factor.

Thinking about making a move on Stevenson and Robinson if lines improve...
thelivewire
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Friday, November 14th, 2008, 12:32 PM) *
Sylvia should have won, Gonzaga should have won. But they didn't, that's the Randy factor.

Thinking about making a move on Stevenson and Robinson if lines improve...



Lesnar WILL win. Too much power and speed. He's a freak. Randy won't pick him up and slam him. He's not Tim Sylvia either...
jdrury12
QUOTE (thelivewire @ Friday, November 14th, 2008, 1:41 PM) *
Lesnar WILL win. Too much power and speed. He's a freak. Randy won't pick him up and slam him. He's not Tim Sylvia either...

Oh I didn't say he was. But I'm just surprised you are so quick to rule Randy out of a fight. I'm on Lesnar too, but I think it's far from a 'WILL' happen.
grocery_mony
I think if Randy can stay off his back with the inital bull rush by Lesnar he can win this. If he can turn it into a boxing match I think he has the advantage in tecnique. I know Lesnar has some power wityh that shot he landed on Herring but lets see how he does on an extended stand up battle. Its gonna be an awesome fight to watch because I can think of so many scenarios on whats gonna happen but cant really nail anything down. I see Performify stayed away from picking a winner but picked over in o/u of 1min 25 sec of the third round.
irishguy
QUOTE (AimHigher @ Tuesday, November 11th, 2008, 2:50 AM) *
Lesnar vs. Couture - Couture

A lot of people are putting a large emphasis on Brock's athleticism and wrestling pedigree. While I think Brock has potential, he hasn't had enough time to evolve into a complete mixed martial artist. He also doesn't have many professional fights and he tends to come out quickly and expend a lot of energy early in the fight. I suspect that Randy will outwork him in the later rounds.

I do think Brock has a very good shoot and at some point Brock will be able to get Randy down, but if you look at his top game in the Herring/Mir fights it seems under developed. It's unlikely he's going to finish Randy with hammer fists. We haven't seen Brock on his back yet, but I think at some point Randy will get him down, sweep or reverse him and wind up on top.

I suspect that if this happens Brock would have a very difficult time defending. Randy may end up submitting him from side control or at least attempting it to gain the mount.

If they clinch against the cage it's possible Brock will be able muscle Randy down, but Randy is going to make it difficult for him with takedown defense and dirty boxing.

On the feet Randy has the advantage. His striking is far more developed than Lesnar's and although Lesnar clearly has heavy hands he's most likely going to have a difficult time against couture.

My conclusion: I can see 3 ways that Randy can win this fight, but I can only see one way that Brock can. (Maybe 1 and a half).

The rest of my picks for the main card are just general inclinations: KenFlo, Sadollah, Gonzaga, Maia


I don't think anyone can discount how good Randy is at setting a smart game plan however I think Randy's only real advantage here is the standing game but I don't see Brock keeping this fight on the feet and with fists the size of basketballs I think some of Randy's experience here gets nullified.

Lesnar will step into the cage 50lbs heavier then Randy with as good a level of wrestling and perhaps more speed. I see Randy maybe defending the takedowns well but I don't think we'll be any reversals. Because of the size of Brock's arm's and neck I think a submission from side control is almost impossible.

However I think if Randy goes for his back he's got a shot at the submission. While I don't expect Brock to be in as good a shape cardio wise I don't see that being a factor. If Brock hasn't improved his ground game and formulated some end game strategys I can see him controling and pretty much laying on Randy like the Herring fight.

I do think that we will watch Lesnar's chin get tested for the first time so it'll be interesting to see how he handles it if he handles it well I think the fight is his.
steve7stud
I don't think that I am making any plays on this card. I know that sounds crazy for me. I just can't seem to pull the trigger on anything right now.

I liked Lesnar quite a bit. But I watched his All Access last night on Spike. He looked pretty bad in the gym imo. When he got to the pull ups, he couldn't do ONE. Of course that was after a grueling work out for a few minutes doing other stuff. But it kind of blew me away. He sweats a lot, but he doesn't move well and seemed really lethargic.

I "think" he is going to win this fight. But I do have to question his conditioning now.

A lot of the other fights are just too close to call.

I will write down who I would have picked for myself before the fights happen.

Either I will kick myself, or pat myself on the back, lol.

Or maybe I will get the urge to make a last minute play..........but I kind of doubt it.
bdc30
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Friday, November 14th, 2008, 3:16 PM) *
I see Performify stayed away from picking a winner but picked over in o/u of 1min 25 sec of the third round.


If I read correctly on 2p2 in the thread, he actually said he has Brock fairly heavily on an early +money line and is not arbing it. That's a pretty strong statement to me.

found it http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost...p;postcount=215
QUOTE (Performify;7117815)
Outside of the public plays, I'm obviously on Lesnar heavy at positive numbers with no plans to arb out. Gonzaga def a no play at current odds.

-P
grocery_mony
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, November 14th, 2008, 2:21 PM) *
If I read correctly on 2p2 in the thread, he actually said he has Brock fairly heavily on an early +money line and is not arbing it. That's a pretty strong statement to me.

found it http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost...p;postcount=215

I missed that. I was in a hurry and just scanned over the plays he had on today.

After thinking about I am picking Randy but not betting. I got beat up hard on the last card(0-5). I also like Florian but if I was betting I dont see to much out there for value on the rest of the card. I will deffinatly making plays on 92 but I got to sit this one out after 90.
thelivewire
DId you see the weigh in? Brock 265, Randy 220.....He'll end up with a 50lb advantage come fight time...Randy is impressive, but that's a big mountain to climb
grocery_mony
QUOTE (thelivewire @ Friday, November 14th, 2008, 7:20 PM) *
DId you see the weigh in? Brock 265, Randy 220.....He'll end up with a 50lb advantage come fight time...Randy is impressive, but that's a big mountain to climb

I beleive!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_m1qTfJsFI
AimHigher
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 3:45 AM) *


Technique over strength!

Also, if you're picking Randy, Pinnacle have him at +119.

You were right about the line shifting, btw.
Franchise632
QUOTE (thelivewire @ Friday, November 14th, 2008, 9:20 PM) *
DId you see the weigh in? Brock 265, Randy 220.....He'll end up with a 50lb advantage come fight time...Randy is impressive, but that's a big mountain to climb


Its pretty much 50lbs already....but neither Brock or Randy cut water to get down to their respective weights for this fight. Brock trained down for this fight focusing less on muscle and weight and more on stamina. My guess is that Brock wants to be able to go 5 rounds doing the same thing he did in the Heath Herring fight. Reports I read seemed to indicate that Brock looked much more apprehensive and perhaps even a bit concerned about the fight. Maybe concerned about an injury??
jdrury12
QUOTE (Franchise632 @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 6:24 AM) *
Its pretty much 50lbs already....but neither Brock or Randy cut water to get down to their respective weights for this fight. Brock trained down for this fight focusing less on muscle and weight and more on stamina. My guess is that Brock wants to be able to go 5 rounds doing the same thing he did in the Heath Herring fight. Reports I read seemed to indicate that Brock looked much more apprehensive and perhaps even a bit concerned about the fight. Maybe concerned about an injury??

The ESPN guys that did the live weigh ins had Stephan Bonnar on who said Brock's camp claimed he cut 7 pounds of water weight.


lol at Randy's FTP patch and Bruce Buffer's little girl on Christmas smile.

looks like I'll be on Brock, Maia, and the over 2:30 of round 3 in the main event.
Franchise632
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 7:38 AM) *
The ESPN guys that did the live weigh ins had Stephan Bonnar on who said Brock's camp claimed he cut 7 pounds of water weight.


lol at Randy's FTP patch and Bruce Buffer's little girl on Christmas smile.

looks like I'll be on Brock, Maia, and the over 2:30 of round 3 in the main event.



7lbs isnt all that much considering his size...but not the kinds that you have to worry much about hydration issues...he was talking in his All Access interview that he sweats off 12 to 15lbs in his workouts...craziness.

I have a couple of things I want to listen to before I make my decision...Brock's reported demeanor has me a little nervous...and Randy has an FTP logo so it is gonna be just like online poker....RIGGED...lol I keed I keed
AimHigher
Anybody else seeing Rafael dos Anjos as a potential dark horse to upset Jeremy Stephens? Former BJJ champion with decent striking coming off a decent winning streak.
Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (irishguy @ Friday, November 14th, 2008, 4:20 PM) *
I don't think anyone can discount how good Randy is at setting a smart game plan


Mike Tyson had a great line during his prime, something along the lines of "Everyone has a plan until they git hit."

So very true. I'll bet Heath Herring had a tactical plan until he got mollywopped with that opening fist. Not comparing Herring to Couture, but still...
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 8:38 AM) *

lol at Randy's FTP patch and Bruce Buffer's little girl on Christmas smile.

I love that UFC chick that wears the black outfit. The one in the red has a longer face with bigger, faker boobs. Don't get me wrong, still hittable, but the one in this pic, wowzer.
grocery_mony
QUOTE (Ron_Mexico @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 12:25 PM) *
I love that UFC chick that wears the black outfit. The one in the red has a longer face with bigger, faker boobs. Don't get me wrong, still hittable, but the one in this pic, wowzer.

Airianny. She is engaged to Josh Burkman!!!


Damn i wish i was a fighter.
Ron_Mexico
QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 3:35 PM) *
Airianny. She is engaged to Josh Burkman!!!

Damn i wish i was a fighter.

Ughh.

Damn, I wish I had GHB and knew where she was gonna be after the fight tonight.
steve7stud
Ok, I lied, lol.

Here are my picks.

Florian
Maia
Robinson
Brown
Hazelett
Stephens
Lesnar
grocery_mony
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 3:43 PM) *
Ok, I lied, lol.

Here are my picks.

Florian
Maia
Robinson
Brown
Hazelett
Stephens
Lesnar

Lol at going from no bets to betting the whole card. GL
jdrury12
Last minute small on Florian and Gonzaga at -350, I think people make too many parallels to the Werdum fight. Bigger bets on Maia and Lesnar, nothing crazy, though. GL to all
irishguy
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 3:43 PM) *
Florian
Maia
Lesnar


The only ones I bet on.
bdc30
Live Round By Round Results Link
Vick12
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 6:43 PM) *
Ok, I lied, lol.

Here are my picks.

Florian...BINK
Maia....BINK
Robinson
Brown....BINK
Hazelett....BINK
Stephens....BINK
Lesnar....BINK



Dinner is on you next time we see each other sir!!!!
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 5:43 PM) *
Ok, I lied, lol.

Here are my picks.

Florian
Maia
Robinson
Brown
Hazelett
Stephens
Lesnar




lol, we knew you couldn't stay away steve. I bet you're happy right now, what ere the lines you got them for


overall, great PPV. I really don't think I've been this happy on spending money on a UFC show in a long time. Lots of good finishes, lots of good fights and slick JiuJitsu. Even the fights that went a good while had good action and were very entertaining.

I don't think I've seen Kenny Florian look that dominating before, and especially on someone that has as good of a ground game as Joe Stephenson.

Brock has the ability to be scary good, and I wonder if after he gets more experience if they'll end up giving Fedor the money he wants so that they can have Lesnar beat Fedor. I don't know if Brock could beat Fedor right now as Fedor's striking is excellent, but if brock can get better at boxing and get more submission skills, I just don't see how Fedor would be able to beat Brock
steve7stud
Ah, back to the winning ways.

6-7 is nice.

I think I got lucky in a few of these fights. Stephens landed that amazing uppercut in the third round, and Dos Anjos kind of checked out at the end of the second.

Matt Brown showned a ton of heart and really pulled through.

Florian and Maia were sick.

Hazelelett has amazing BJJ, and puts it to use soooooo well in the octogon.

I had Robinson, and lost. But I was REALLY impressed with Bocek. That guy has great skills on the ground. I definitely will keep an eye on him.

Lesnar scared me. I thought a few times that I might have the wrong side of that one. I feared that Lesnar was going to gas, had put on too much weight, etc. I'm certainly happy with the win. Nogeira and Gonzaga "might" give him problems. Time will tell.

grocery_mony
I hope the UFC did have the million+ buys that they were shooting for because this was an awesome card that showed pretty much every aspect of the sport at its highest level. In a living room with about 10 guys all goranung with Hazzelets sick submission. That uppercut ko was brutal. Gonazaga ko that jobber. Florian dominating, that wrestler dude pulling it off. Every fight was entertaining.


I think Randy's plan was to gas Lesnar and it might have worked if he didnt get caught with one of Brocks sledghammers. I was very impressed how Randy was able to get back on his feet with having that load on him. Somebody teach Brock some elbows from the top please.
jdrury12
Anyone else think Brock had some sort of gassing going on? He was breathing pretty hard through his mouth after the first and bent over and said 'Get me a stool' after the fight.

At my house my cable acted out and I missed the first two fights. In a fit of rage we ended up betting Hazelett and went 5-5, which of course feels good.

I didn't think Randy losing would really hit me or anything, but seeing the guy that was always invincible and always could being knocked out kind of brought stuff to reality.

Randy to 205 again? Can he really jump back into the mix of things at 45+?
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (steve7stud @ Sunday, November 16th, 2008, 12:35 AM) *
Lesnar scared me. I thought a few times that I might have the wrong side of that one. I feared that Lesnar was going to gas, had put on too much weight, etc. I'm certainly happy with the win. Nogeira and Gonzaga "might" give him problems. Time will tell.


Nog is going to give him lots of problems IMO. It all depends on when they fight. Nog's boxing and Jiu-Jitsu will be very hard for Brock to come close to replicating in the gym. Training with Erik Paulson is a great move as he's probably one of the best trainers in the game. Brock should also probably work with either eddie bravo or mark laimon on his BJJ game

QUOTE (grocery_mony @ Sunday, November 16th, 2008, 12:48 AM) *
I think Randy's plan was to gas Lesnar and it might have worked if he didnt get caught with one of Brocks sledghammers. I was very impressed how Randy was able to get back on his feet with having that load on him. Somebody teach Brock some elbows from the top please.



That certainly looked to be the plan, and it also looked to be working. Brock was going to be in for a tough one as Randy is probably one of the most in shape guys in the game. We're talking about a guy who has done eco-challenges, so brock had to finish him in the first 12-15 minutes or so, or else he would've been in big trouble. Let's also remember that this has been brock's longest fight, and one has to go through that to know what its like. He's wrestled matches in teh WWE that have been 25-30+ minutes(and had done 60 one time too), but there is a pacing aspect to it that you obviously can't do in MMA
jdrury12
QUOTE (KDawgCometh @ Sunday, November 16th, 2008, 9:48 AM) *
That certainly looked to be the plan, and it also looked to be working. Brock was going to be in for a tough one as Randy is probably one of the most in shape guys in the game. We're talking about a guy who has done eco-challenges, so brock had to finish him in the first 12-15 minutes or so, or else he would've been in big trouble. Let's also remember that this has been brock's longest fight, and one has to go through that to know what its like. He's wrestled matches in teh WWE that have been 25-30+ minutes(and had done 60 one time too), but there is a pacing aspect to it that you obviously can't do in MMA

Herring? And yes, it looks like Brock was gassing, but I also disagree with Brock having bad stand up, Randy had ony been KO'd by Chuck up until Brock. He has huge hands, incredible reach, and always has you thinking he's shooting for a takedown. Pretty dangerous combo.
irishguy
Randy has always been one of those guys where I think most "experts" under rate him but most casual fans over rate him. I thought he had a decent game plan and clearly Lesnar was surprised by his strength up against the fence and his take down defense. I think Brock thought because of his size advantage and wrestling he'd completely control the pace and take him down at will which wasn't the case.

Standing with Brock was Randy's best option but the guys head is so big and hands are so huge I think you really have to pepper him with big combo's to gain any ground.

I agree that Nog is Lesnar's toughest competition right now because of his boxing and bjj and also the fact that Nog is notorious for being able to take a pounding. If by some chance it ends up being Mir vs Lesnar I think Brock rolls over him. I also thing Gonzaga would give Lesnar a good fight because of his knock out power/bjj.

As for Randy I think that there are still people at the HW level that he gets wins over but dropping down to 205 I don't see a lot of winning matches against the top five or six in the division at this point in his career.
AimHigher
I guess Lesnar can finish Randy with hammerfists afterall. dry.gif
jdrury12
Anyone else shaking their head at the fact they wanted the McRory/Hazelett fight on the undercard?
AimHigher
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Monday, November 17th, 2008, 3:23 PM) *
Anyone else shaking their head at the fact they wanted the McRory/Hazelett fight on the undercard?


Agreed. Hazelett got a pretty loud cheer from the crowd too. I think he's gained some notoriety due to his jits.

Anybody know how long after GSP vs Penn, Penn vs Florian will be?
jdrury12
Thing is this is something they keep doing. Even on 92 they are hiding Okami vs. Lister on the undercard for Al-Turk Kongo and Dalloway and Massenzio or something, which baffles me.

QUOTE
According to Jeremy Botter of Inside Fights, the arrangement of the fight is almost complete.

"Our sources tell us that the UFC are in the process of finalizing the main event for UFC 95 in London, and it’ll be Chuck Liddell taking on Anderson Silva in a light heavyweight bout. I’m not sure what the status of the contract negotiations are, but I’m under the impression that it’s either a done deal or is very nearly a done deal, and it could be announced tomorrow."

When was the last time Chuck was an underdog?
outsider13
That was seriously an awesome night. Did they show the Stephens knockout on the PPV? That was seriously ridiculous.
steve7stud
QUOTE (jdrury12 @ Monday, November 17th, 2008, 12:18 PM) *
Thing is this is something they keep doing. Even on 92 they are hiding Okami vs. Lister on the undercard for Al-Turk Kongo and Dalloway and Massenzio or something, which baffles me.


When was the last time Chuck was an underdog?


Why would Chuck pass on a fight with Franklin, and take a fight with Silva. That makes no sense.
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