Tell that to Michael Bisping!

I don't think that's a bad idea though. Vera is soooo far out of the picture that they need to give him guys like Salmon or Lambert right now. Guys that he should clearly beat, and if he loses.......well, maybe they'll regret throwing all that money when they thought he was the future of the UFC.

I think they REALLY want Vera to be in a huge fight int the Philippines when they go there, and I think they'll do it despite all this, I don't think he's going to just go away. A win or two and they'll push him as 'finally finding himself.'

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templa...96&zoneid=2

gg EliteXC.

A turn int he right direction. These guys were doing nothing right. Lawler would be nice in the UFC again just to see some fun fights, hopefully Feijao ends up there as well. Possibly Shields too. Are these guys instant free agents?

Wow, but really no surprise there. Yeah Shields would be good, but I don't see him doing any better than Diego Sanchez. I think he's good and is definitely improving but the UFC's WW division is quite deep at the moment. Certainly would be a great addition though.

Nick Diaz? I'm not too fond of his antics, but I love to watch him fight. I'd love to see him back in the UFC.

Wow this is gonna be sick:

UFC92
Champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir (for interim UFC heavyweight title)
Champ Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans (for UFC light heavyweight title)
Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva
C.B. Dollaway vs. Mike Massenzio
Dean Lister vs. Yushin Okami
Mustafa Al-Turk vs. Cheick Kongo
Brad Blackburn vs. Ryo Chonan
Mark Burch vs. Antoni Hardonk

Debating on whether to got to UFC93 in Dublin, prob worth it because who knows when they'll be back, and it's a good main event Franklin vs. Henderson

Dear Gina Carano: Your career is done. Go do Playboy and open a gym to never be heard of again.

Kimbo will probally be main eventing independent mma cards in small venues for the rest of his career. Cant really see UFC or Affliction having any intrest in him. I doubt Nick Diaz can make 155 anymore so its ww where he would get killed by the top of the ww division.

Anyone hear whats next for John Fitch? I think he is kind of like Rich Franklin, better than everyone else in the division but cant beat the champ.

Diego again? Just keep guys fighting IMO.

mmafighting.com stated that it can vary depending on the individual contract. Some may be eligible to catch on elsewhere, others may have to wait to see who purchases their contract in bankruptcy court.

Obviously I'm happy to see EliteXC go out of business. I have said that I believed them to be incredibly shady for quite some time now. Of course it was nice to see free MMA on showtime every now and again. But in truth, most of the fights were horrible. In the grand scheme of things there is no room for an organization that runs things as poorly as they did. Dana White brought up a lot of good points in his YouTube clip. People are betting on these fights. And the mere notion that the "powers that be" wanted the fight to go way or another is a scary thought. It's known that corruption has existed in most sports. But I haven't really seen it in the UFC which is one of the reasons that I like it so much.

As far as the fighters from ElieteXC go, there's really only a handful that could go to the UFC. Cung Le comes to mind for sure. I think he might do well. And I believe that the UFC would want him. Gilbert Melendez, Jake Shields, KJ Noons, etc could also possibly make the transition. Sadly for them the UFC is looking to cut fighters, not bring more on board. Unless you're truly amazing, or a heavyweight. So I guess time will tell.

I was thinking Cung Le as well, but he's with Strikeforce.

I am predicting that Vera and Lidell headline the card in the Filipines. Just a random thought.

Big Foot? I know he has the California suspension but....

UFC - UFC 90 - Allstate Arena IL
10/25/08 9500 Fight Matchups
OFF OFF OFF

23:30 ET Fight Matchups
OFF OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Middleweight Matchup
10/25/08 9505 Anderson Silva
-650 OFF OFF

23:30 ET Patrick Cote
+450 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Welterweight Matchup
10/25/08 9510 Josh Koscheck
-160 OFF OFF

23:00 ET Thiago Alves
+130 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Heavyweight Matchup
10/25/08 9515 Fabricio Werdum
-875 OFF OFF

22:30 ET Junior Dos Santos
+575 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Lightweight Matchup
10/25/08 9520 Sean Sherk
-270 OFF OFF

22:30 ET Tyson Griffin
+210 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Lightweight Matchup
10/25/08 9525 Gray Maynard
-270 OFF OFF

22:05 ET Rich Clementi
+210 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Middleweight Matchup
10/25/08 9530 Thales Leites
-550 OFF OFF

20:00 ET Drew McFedries
+350 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Lightweight Matchup
10/25/08 9535 Spencer Fisher
-350 OFF OFF

20:00 ET Shannon Gugerty
+275 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Middleweight Matchup
10/25/08 9540 Dan Miller
-400 OFF OFF

20:00 ET Matt Horwich
+300 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Lightweight Matchup
10/25/08 9545 Hermes Franca
-240 OFF OFF

19:45 ET Marcus Aurelio
+190 OFF OFF

UFC - UFC 90 - Welterweight Matchup
10/25/08 9550 Josh Burkman
-260 OFF OFF

19:30 ET Pete Sell

Thinking of Koscheck big, small on Griffin, Aurelio, and Mcfedries.
also maybe something small on Cote if I can get +500.

Current Lines...........Discuss...

Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Heavyweights
Sat 10/25 Fabricio Werdum vs Junior Dos Santos
08:00 PM 503 Fabricio Werdum -776
504 Junior Dos Santos +576
Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Lightweights
Sat 10/25 Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin
07:30 PM 505 Sean Sherk -231
506 Tyson Griffin +211
Sat 10/25 Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard
07:00 PM 507 Rich Clementi +191
508 Gray Maynard -211
Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Middleweight Championships
Sat 10/25 Anderson Silva vs. Patrick Cote
09:00 PM 461 Anderson Silva -631
462 Patrick Cote +481
Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Lightweights
Sat 10/25 Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty
05:00 PM 511 Spencer Fisher -351
512 Shannon Gugerty +301
Sat 10/25 Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio
04:30 PM 515 Hermes Franca -191
516 Marcus Aurelio +171
Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Middleweights
Sat 10/25 Thales Leites vs Drew McFedries
05:00 PM 509 Thales Leites -411
510 Drew McFedries +351
Sat 10/25 Dan Miller vs Matt Horwich
05:00 PM 513 Dan Miller -321
514 Matt Horwich +271
Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Welterweights
Sat 10/25 Josh Burkman vs Pete Sell
04:30 PM 517 Josh Burkman -206
518 Pete Sell +186
Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Welterweights
Sat 10/25 Josh Koscheck vs. Thiago Alves
08:30 PM 501 Josh Koscheck -141
502 Thiago Alves +131

I love the spread on those lines where did you get them? Like I said before big bet on Koscheck, small bets on Aurelio, Mcfedries,Griffin and maybe Cote.








Yea I suck

nobody watching Ultimate Fighter this season?

I love Mir, always have and nothing has changed that. I think he makes an excellent teacher, but I've really come to like Nog as well. He seems like such a decent, genuine guy. He takes fighting very serious, but in a good way. Sure, he doesn't get the american culture of pranks and stuff, but by the time he was done giving his side, I agreed with him. Those fighters have one shot, and screwing it up because of silliness is wasteful.

Anderson Silva seems like an awesome dude as well, sparing hard with Ryan Bader, no headgear, taking shots in stride. Letting Bader get his feet wet. I just may like brazilian guys along with their fat assed women.


obligatory I hope someone snaps Junie's arm post

I think Clementi is a great bet at those odds. The guy is no slouch and to me close to +200 is quite a surprise. Maynard is good, but I don't think he deserves to be this heavily favored.

Clementi's interview was interesting to me. He talked about how he took Maynard because no one would and he understands he's a dog here because of Maynard's strength, which makes a lot of sense.
I also like Sherk. He has more of a strength advantage here than ever before in my eyes.
I got Thiago at +130 and like it. I think it's close but he had to have been training td defense and such for Diego, and Kos may be scared to pull off a real boring lay and pray. I also think the UFC wants Alves to win here as he's a much more interesting sell against GSP than Kos.
I'm also on Burkman at -220 pretty strong. Sell is 1-4 in UFC with the win over Baroni. I just think this is the UFC trying to get Burkman on the right track by giving him as much of a can as they could. I think the UFC has some interest in Burkman with the Main Event, Fight of the Night, etc. This is also the last fight on his contract so I expect him to really come out strong. Sell, in my opinion, just isn't a UFC caliber fighter.

I'm having trouble with Kos-Alves fight. All DETAILED opinions would be appreciated.

I am taking Kos just because I think he is on another level then Alves. To me the ww division has 3 tiers GSP on a tier all by himself, then tier 2 Fitch and Kos, tier 3 is everyone else. Alves lost to Fitch a strong wrestler like Kos. Its gonna be a good fight I think but Kos will grind out a UD imo. Performify stayed away from this one for the record.

Agreed. Kos by UD is a good bet.

If you look at the Parisyan fight, Karo had Alves on his back and mounted within the first minute of the fight. I think that Koscheck's top game is going to be better than Karo's so if Alves gets put on his back he's going to have a harder time getting back up.

Alves is the kind of fighter that can flash KO someone at any time though, which is why I like to see him fight.

Well, I am doing some gambling on this card.

5 of my picks are dogs, and I have 1 favorite. So anything can happen.

And don't worry I won't be upset this time if I lose, lol. Btw, I don't reccomend these picks to anyone.

Clementi
McFedries
Aurelio
Griffin
Burkman
Santos

If I find a better line on Silva I will take it. Right now I don't see it.

GL.

Sigh...Mothers B-day dinner tonight so I will miss this one. I might get back in time for the Main event so I might just try to find a pirate feed somewhere. I hate watching fights on my computer but I aighnt payin $50 to see the ME which I dont think is gonna last to long.

The Silva v. Cote fight isn't on Spike TV??

EDIT: just found out its on PPV, my buddy is picking it up! I'm outta here, GO SILLLLLLLLLLLLVA!!!

You sound like you have a cold, perhaps you should skip the dinner so nobody gets sick.

Just made a play on Kos and Silva.

Wish me luck.

Tyson Griffin-Sean Sherk

Fight of the night imo. I'm stoked.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

(Kos vs Alves about to start)

will work for food

Meh...looked to me that Silva could have ended that fight anytime he felt like it. Shitty card and shitty bets on my part. The next 2 cards are outstanding(at least the ME for 91 also get to see Amir Sadollah on that card).

sigh.

lame. Still a good winner on the night, up on Dos Santos, Sherk, Silva, Alves and lost a double bet on Burkman. Anderson back in the octagon by Super Bowl?

HOW THE **** DOES BURKMAN LOSE TO PETE SELL



sighhhhh

fwiw, our pick on dos santos was based entirely on watching him hit mits.....he just looked "different"

plus, werdum coming in looking like peter griffin helped sway the decision as well

What do you guys think is next for Anderson? A Chuck fight at Super Bowl kind of makes sense... I mean Okami has a fight lined up, Cote will be out almost a year I'd assume, and Bisping/Franklin/Hendo won't happen for another year at least due to Tuf/coaches fight, and I'm guessing he wants to get back in there ASAP, so a 205 fight makes sense I guess....

I think if Chuck declined to fight Franklin he will run and hide when they ask him to fight Anderson unless its a boatload of cash for his retirement. Supposedly it is a 205 fight next for Sliva though. Maybe Jardine?

I did pretty well overall. I had Leites, Alves, Sherk, Maynard and Sell. Only had Aurelio wrong.

Glad to see lots of people got the Dos Santos fight, it certainly looked like Werdum might not have trained as hard for this fight. He's been in there with some awesome strikers and never been stopped. That was a wicked punch that landed though.

Thiago really put it on Kos. It was a very entertaining fight and Kos' inability to take Alves down surprised me a bit. I expected him to get at least get a takedown or 2, but he had all of them stuffed. Kos showed a great ability to recover, he must have been hurt badly 4 or 5 times that fight.

Maynard did what I expected him to do. Clementi is crafty on the ground, but Maynard just has awesome top control and his striking looks to be improving as well.

Sherk/Griffin was a bit surprising as I expected Sherk to be able to take him to the ground easier and hold him down. The fight was pretty close, but Sherk seemed to do enough each round to win it and he basically outworked Griffin to get the win.

Silva/Cote was a pretty weird fight. I think the fight would have ended pretty quickly if Cote was actually trying to attack. It looked like both fighters respected one another's power and didn't attack as much as usual. Silva in particular probably wanted to avoid getting clipped by a lucky shot and fought a cautious fight as a result. The injury was unfortunate, but I think Silva would have finished him in a round or 2 anyways as he probably would have started to put the heat on him.

If Cote's knee is all right I would like to see them have a rematch on Spike so people dont have to pay again. They have 2 spike shows in mid-December but that might be too soon for Cote's knee.

http://www.mmabay.co.uk/Story%20ChuckvsSilvaat95.html
Interesting. Makes sense for both guys if Chuck is really looking to get back to the top.

GG Chuck. I am betting Silva big this fight.

WTF another UK show? Just had one 2 weeks ago there is a Dublin show in January now this.

Would have been a great fight a few years ago.

Sidenote. JDrury, I love spending time in this forum and you provide great links and insight. But looking at Jardine in that clip is kinda gross after the 20th time or so........

Source: MMAmania.com

Earlier today Daniel reported the news that Bobby Lashley's December MMA debut was in jeopardy because the company he is signed to (American Fight League) announced it is ceasing operations until the first quarter of 2009.

Local radio ads running in Miami, Florida are now advertising Bobby Lashley will compete in his first official MMA bout on December 13th at an event promoted by Mixed Fight Alliance called "There Will Be Blood." The show will take place at the American Airlines Arena in Miami. No opponent has been announced yet.

Lashley signed a two-fight deal with an option for a third earlier this year, but like most of the other fighters under contract with the fledgling AFL promotion, he still has the freedom to fight in other organizations so long as it doesn’t interfere with any AFL obligations.

Would this be better?

Yes. Seriously thank you.

Vinny Magalhaes looked good last night on TUF. Devastating Jiu Jitsu.

Not sure why Nog was being so hard on him, especially if it's true that vinny is a world champ of some sort. He seemed very respectful and deferential towards Nog.

I thought Vinny looked good. Dana kind of irked me though in bashing Vinny's stand up in the fight as boring, I mean I get that the audience wants to see "brawling" stand up but at least Vinny was active where as his opponent (forgot his name) didn't do a thing for two and a half minutes and once he did the fight was over.

To be fair, Vinny's standup was very under developed. His sick Jits will get him very far though.

Oh I agree. I just wouldn't have called it boring in the context of that fight as he was the one pushing the action.

That might not be true. A large part of MMA is being able to get hit and having a chin. His training partner Kristoff said that they train together and the guy doesn't like to get hit. If you are going into MMA you have to accept the fact that you need to be a well rounded fighter. No doubt the guy has world class bjj. But if you look at a guy like Palhares, he will do well against certain fighters and lose against others because he is not yet well rounded. It could be early...........but Vinny doesn't seem to have the heart of an MMA fighter. Being great at BJJ is one thing, but you have to be willing to take a punch.

It's odd. I used to like Frank Mir a lot. After watching him on this season I'm not really a fan at all. I think in a lot of ways he is immature and insecure.