funny thing is i think shamrock might try to stand with him and throw, idk why... just think hes stupid enough to try and ko kimbo.

anyone else disgusted at this? 2-8 in his last 10 shamrock vs. kimbo who's only real fight he should have lost is one of the most important fights for the sport to this point?

He decided against Kung Le that he'd fight standing up, even though his advantage would have been to try to take him to the ground. Ended up with a broken wrist in a one-sided fight for his trouble.

He's the definition of arrogant.

................



Apparently Chuck turns down Franklin fight at 93 in early Jan. Interesting as Franklin seems like a pretty good fight for Chuck.

That was Frank Shamrock its Ken Shamrock who is fighting Kimbo.

LOL at the UFC letting Chuck still pick his opponents. I am not paying to see Chuck main event unless the competition is worth the price of admission. Let(make) him fight Anderson imo.


WOW what a card for 92, Mir/Nog, Griffin/Evans and Wandy/Rampage. I think they up the price of there ppv's starting with this card.

oops, i'm an idiot.

Respectable EXC card on tonight on CBS. Also Spike is replaying Griffin /Rampage so something to switch to if the 2 hour EXC show turns out to have about 90 seconds of fighting like the last one.

Things may be in trouble for the main event...

According to Wrestling Observer and Yahoo Columnist Dave Meltzer

Tonight's Ken Shamrock vs. Kimbo Slice main event is in jeopardy because of a cut suffered by Ken Shamrock.

Nothing is definite at the moment but we have confirmed a few things. First is that Frank Shamrock, who has not trained at all, did volunteer to take the fight but because he wasn't licensed in Florida the commission nixed it. Seth Petruzelli, who is licensed and was scheduled for the undercard, was also asked but as of last word, Kimbo Slice's people have not accepted the fight.

It is not 100% that Shamrock is off, but at this moment everything is going on the assumption he will not be fighting.

Fight is officially off.

Kimbo is still fighting though. Looks like it'll be Seth Petruzelli according to Yahoo! Sports.

http://www.mmashare.com/mma-live-stream-free.html

Kimbo vs Petruzelli will be on here in about 5 minutes.

Marginally better than Kimbo vs Shamrock IMO.

End Kimbo mystique!!!!!

Lol, wow....

hey now, a one footed, off balance, choppy right jab to the eye can take a lot of people down.



He didn't complain, argue or anything. He's just using Elite like they're using him. He's cashing checks and doing movies and video games. No hating on that. When his ride is over, I don't think you'll hear Kimbo complaining.

LOL that was pathetic. GG EXC hopefully Affliction can do better.

Did anybody see the WSOP main event episode with Chuck Liddell / Forrest Griffin? O_O

Anyone else feel like putting Petruzelli in there kind of gave Kimbo up? I mean if they signed Tito he's the new future of the company, and it really seems like Kimbo reached his potential. Sure, maybe they could have one big fight where they put over the face of their new HW division, but they might have panicked and just given it to Petruzelli and will build off him. Also, who thought it would have been awesome to see Frank call Ken's fight? I know they aren't really related but it'd be great to hear Frank bash Ken as he fought.

Even the prefight was hilarious when Frank was tallking about Ken 'tarnishing the Shamrock' name by training too hard just before a fight. You could feel the animosity.

Not a huge surprise that it happened - but pretty dumb of him to say it. First couple sentences says it all you don't want to read the whole thing...

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Video-Kimbo-Slic...g-Up-Blog-12487

After destroying Kimbo Slice in 14 seconds, Seth Petruzelli said that EliteXC's promoters paid him to stand up and trade punches with Slice, instead of the logical fight plan, which would have been to take Kimbo down, where his ground game is suspect and unproven.

"My original plan was to throw out push kicks, they're called teeps, have him think that I'm going to throw them to try to rush in more, and then shoot in on him, obviously... but the promoters kinda hinted to me, and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him. They didn't want me to take him down, let's just put it that way. It was worth my while to try to stand up and punch with him."

When questioned about it later, Petruzelli backpedaled a bit, saying that he was taken out of context:
"What was meant to be said was that I wanted to keep the fight standing for myself because I knew that was what the crowd, the promoters, and everyone wanted to see because that’s more exciting than just taking someone to the ground. That was my thing only. I wanted to keep it exciting so I decided to keep it standing. It had nothing to do with anybody else. That was all me."

Somewhere between the two statements, Petruzelli is lying. It's hard to tell which it is, but it wouldn't be surprising at all if EltieXC had discussed tactics with Petruzelli, and told him what they would rather see, for the purpose of increasing Kimbo's chances of winning.

If this is true, this is yet another huge black eye for EliteXC, an organization that is already on the ropes. If they were indeed paying Petruzelli to alter his fight style to play to Kimbo's strengths, then these are some serious allegations. The Florida State Athletic Commission would have to investigate this, and it would almost certainly mean the end of EliteXC as we know it if they were to find wrongdoing.

EliteXC Jared Shaw, who will most likely be at the center of any pending investigation, claimed in a postfight interview that the event was a success, and that he had no rooting interest in Kimbo's fight. This statement seems ridiculous to anyone who saw the fight, and noticed Jared jumping out of his seat screaming at the ref to stand the fight up again, a move that would seem to benefit Kimbo Slice, since his only strength is clearly his punching.

That Junie kid is freakin nuts, what is he thinking?

I like the preview for next episode, Anderson Silva's kicks are so freakin fast and powerful. You forget how behind the curve everyone on the show is until you see a pro in action.

I wonder if the other fighters have any say whether he gets kicked out or not, or if its all up to Dana.

During the tussle at the pool he full on kicked another fighter in the stomach, and I'm pretty sure that warrants a boot from the show. If I was the guy who got kicked I don't know if I would want the guy to go home, but I would definitely want to have some kind of say in the decision.

Actually it looks like he might get sent home anyways after hopping in the ring. He is seriously psycho... will probably end up in jail.

Also I recognized John Polakowski on this season's show. He trained with Chuck Liddell in San Luis Obispo where I went to school, and he bartended at a bar called Bull's Tavern with a bunch of other fighters. Anyways my cousins came to town for their friends 21st birthday and I met them at Bull's. They have this birthday shot with 151, mixed with tobasco sauce and a bunch of other shit. The birthday guy drank it and immediately threw up all over the floor.

So John hops over the bar and says that one of my cousin's threw up, not this other guy. My cousin was pretty drunk and starts going off on John screaming at him and chest bumping him while John just stood there and did nothing. Finally the bouncer came and kicked our whole group out. I just thought it was funny that my cousin was trying to pick a fight with a potential UFC fighter lol

Doe anyone have a link to the Ultimate Fighter reunion that was aired on Spike. I missed it.

Tried looking on Spike's webpage and just saw in between takes. If you can help that would be great.

Dana White commenting on the Elite XC bullshit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYC8TBzmmQ
Couldnt agree more.

Wow, well said. The guy may not be the most professional, but it's very hard to disagree with him there. EliteXC is a joke.

I wonder if Shamrock had the same arrangement, then came to the conclusion he couldnt win that way and looked for a way out? Now there is talk of Shamrock vs Shamrock at EXC, a fight like that would go further in supporting the stateement that EXC doensnt give a shit about mma and is just a gimmick. 60 million in the hole and there isnt even close to a legitimate division in the organization, these guys couldnt run a piss up in a brewery.

LOL! Perfect!

Ugh, huge disappointment.

Kos vs. Alves is still a decent fight, but I was really looking forward to Sanchez vs. Alves too.

Saturday night we have another UFC.

Here are my picks.

Vera
Bisping

Wish me luck.

Also, does anyone know if Performify has give his picks on these fights yet?

I don't think Performity picks are out yet. I'm on Bisping and Jardine. Let's go Greg Jackson.

Okay, so I just watched this dude Faber fight and the guy is incredible. Now, I just clicked on this and I am not going to read all 75 pages so excuse me if this has been discussed, but what would everyone think of a fight between this Faber guy and GSP. I was talking with a co-worker and I said that GSP would own him. However, given the level of fighting there is always a chance that anyone at anytime can get caught. I was thinking that since Faber is sort of like GSP at his beginning, in that he is sometimes reckless in pushing the fight that it might work to his disadvantage.

My coworker thought that would be the reason why Faber would ultimately win. However, I remain unconvinced as GSP has more experience and might be the one to catch him in something that might be construed as reckless.

Thoughts?

There is always a chance. On top of thinking GSP is an all round better fighter the size difference would be a factor. Faber is fighting at 145lbs and I don't think has ever fought above 155lbs, GSP is considered big for the 170lbs that he currently fights at.

Skill wise they are both great, but realistically, this wouldn't even be close. There is wayyy too much length and weight advantage for Faber to even challenge here. GSP had him by about 30 pounds, 4" height and, and probably about 6" in reach. Faber's biggest strength is overpowering guys, much the same way GSP does. All he'd have a chance with is landing a bomb.

That is kinda where my thoughts were ... however, I didn't realize that GSP was that much heavier than Faber. For some reason I thought Faber was fighting at 155 and GSP was 165, so in that scenario they would have a chance to meet each other if they so desired, but going from 145 to 170 would be a major transition. I do think it would be a fun fight though. Faber is crazy! I saw him fight the Brazilian JuJitsu guy and when the guy had his back he remained calm and was even landing strikes. Simply amazing to me. and GSP is just a freak ... and I mean that in the highest respect.

FYP.

Just saw pictures from the weigh in. Leben looks in the best shape of his life.

Added Sok as well.

So now I have........

Sok
Bis
Vera

These are interesting fights. A lot of them can go either way.

I know all you US guys can watch this on spikeTV, but for any UKers like myself who don't get setanta sports, here's a link for the UFC 89 livestream.

http://www.mmashare.com/mma-live-stream-free.html

Its live on Sportsnet in Canada right now

you might want to put a spoiler on that

Vera/Jardine could have went either way. Soku was spent after 3 minutes

You're right. No clue how to do a spoiler. I deleted my thread.

So-so card. Vera can disapear from the UFC imo. Bisbing fought the smart fight and is full value for the w. Bisbing gets killed by Silva though. He is one of the coaches for the next TUF and Dan Henderson is rumoured to be his counterpart. That will be a closer fight than Bisbing/Silva or Franklin/Bisbing. Leben is just to small for the top level of the 185 division.

I really don't thing Leben is too small, he just doesn't try enough different things. He fought exactly how Bisping thought he would. He looked quite heavy. He seems talented enough. He has a great sprawl, he's good on the ground, he just wants to knock people out. That's why he's still in the UFC. He'll be a mid-level gatekeeper for his career.

All in all, a decent card. I liked it. Not too surprised on the Jardine win. Him and Vera fight a lot similar styles, with a lot of leg kicks and different strikes. I just think that Vera is lost right now. He should be dominating that weight class yet he just can't find a successful strategy against smaller guys. I think he might need a gym change.

You have to love the Lytle/Taylor fight. If Lytle and Marcus Davis fight, that could be a classic.

Boring card overall, but it was free so I guess I can't complain really.

Taylor/Lytle was a nice scrap. I think it could have gone either way, was one of those types of fights. I probably give it to Taylor based on how strong he finished, while Lytle was gassed.

Soko/Cane was explosive for the first few minutes before Soko gassed out. That was very disappointing, because I expect big things from Soko, he has all the tools. I can't understand why he didn't use his judo to take the fight to the ground to get a bit of a break. He just isn't there mentally as a fighter right now to face the better fighters as far as strategy and pacing himself goes. Still, Cane showed some real toughness taking those body kicks and some hard punches as well.

Vera/Jardine was just frustrating to watch. I don't know how Vera has gone from one of the more exciting fighters to watch to one of the most boring. Hopefully he can turn it around. He has all the tools and doesn't use them. Vera looked in excellent shape, but it might be that he just doesn't fight as well at 205. It seems like his speed is all gone along with his explosiveness. He seems hesitant now to throw his strikes and just doesn't look confident out there. He's gone from working combinations to one shot at a time. I know Jardine is very awkward to fight, but all Vera needed to do was be more aggressive and he likely wins the fight easily. Still, I felt Vera won the 2nd and 3rd rounds with the more accurate strikes, but it was a close fight that I could see Jardine winning as well.

Bisping/Leben was exactly as expected. I knew Bisping would stick and move, use angles and hit Leben with a lot of clean shots. He also doesn't have much power, so a decision was going to be very likely. I don't really think there was much Leben could have done aside from perhaps trying to go for takedowns and grinding out a decision, that's simply not his style though. Bisping is just better technically and is quicker with better movement. Leben simply got beat to the punch all night long and he couldn't land that homerun shot.

On a side note, did anybody see the schooling Bernard Hopkins gave to Kelly Pavlik? It's simply amazing what Bernard can still do at his age in boxing. I wasn't that surprised that Bernard could pull it off, but the absolute domination was just shocking.

honestly, Leben looked like his ass may be a bit sore from putting roids in it

My first thoughts too when I saw him.

Well, most of u guys know my results.

Thought Bis fought a smart fight.

Sok looked good but I think he was injured and appeared frustrated quite a bit. I don't mind losing with him, I think I had the right side of that.

Vera was the one that really bothered me. The guy has the best kickboxing coach in the world, an amazing bbj coach, and Vera is a great wresler. The guy looked HORRIBLE. Not that Jardine looked good. Both of them looked pretty bad. But Vera injured Jardine's knee in the second and didn't do anything with it.

Jardine in a sense is like Guida. The guy works really hard and has a ton of heart. Vera has no heart imo. And technically he didn't look good either.

I think Jardine won the fight.

Liddel/Vera loser goes away? Probally be a boring fight though.

I think that would be a very boring fight. It would probably look a lot like last night's fight.

I think the UFC needs to give Vera a few cans to get his confidence up and get him used to the quicker guys. The problem with him moving down weight classes is that he loses his biggest advantage which is his speed. He was always outclassed the HW division when it came to speed, yet he is at par now with the guys he's fighting. Plus, he's really not any more powerful that any of the LHW as he was always a natual LHW even when he was in the HW division.

He just needs confidence and needs to be far more aggressive.

UFC doesnt ussually throw cans guys way to build up there cfonfidence but the seem to love Vera so who knows. He will probally play a prominent role in the Phillipines card so it better be a name on the other side of the cage.