Kurt Pellegrino def. Thiago Tavares via unanimous decision

Chuck Liddell...

U GOT KNOCKED THE PHUCK OUT!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the link Jarg. Glad I got to see it.

That was a helluva punch.

You know Dana is inconsolable as Chuck v Forest at 92 is now impossible.

ow, that hurt.

for the record, I was pulling for:
Evans
franklin
Henderson's opponent
Pelligrino (local boy)

Has Chuck actually gotten up yet?

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Chuck_Lidd...544&tid=100

low quality but it will be better later

EDIT: Sorry for the ads in the video. Just watching it now myself.
EDIT2: Post fight interviews are garbled.

Wow that was a knockout. Chuck is done, a one trick pony who has lost some speed and it makes all the diffrence in the world.
In the post fight interview with Rogan Rashad sounded resigned to the fact that he still doesnt get a title shot. I am pretty sure its
Wandy vs Forrest at 92 now fair or not. Probally Rashad vs Machida at either 92 or 93. I was also very happy to see Hendo win. I
beleive if anyone is gonna beat Anderson at 185 its Hendo but he has to win at least 2 more.

Sigh. I hate to see Chuck lose like that. I've never liked Evans. I think his antics are silly, but whatever. Chuck got caught. Unfortunately he has been caught twice now. It might be time for him to give it a rest.

Henderson already faught Silva and lost. Palhares has a much better shot at beating Silva than Hendo does imo. Palhares really needs to work on his striking game.........

I was mad? at Palhares. I wanted him to be better. Dan fought a smart fight. But it seemed Palhares just didn't put it all on the line and/or train adequately. That Octagon is big, if all you can do is submit opponents, you better hold on when you get'em.

Nate looked so big in there. THat's what I LOVE about MMA. You can say all you want but to get to see matchups like that, answers all the questions. Joe Silva and the hpye machine can build up any figher and it's not easy to keep them from being exposed. Obv, Kappman will be back.

Franklin with another entertaining fight.

Evans is quick. (no kidding.) He flustered Chuck up and seemd to lull him into a false sense of "well, ok, if you ain't gonna fight, I'll come to you.... POW"

Matt Brown lost rounds 1 and 3, s/b no controversy.

fan of McDonald and Boetch

I MMA

http://mmajunkie.com/news/5231/ufc-88-winn...est-griffin.mma

cool.

makes me kinda mehhhhhh at the LHW division seeing evans get a shot over all the other insanely good fighters in that division

so I streamed the fight onto myTV thru my comp tonight, I used myp2p with sopcast. I duno if you guys knoe anow about it but its a sick site for all live sporting events. I dunno if they have all the ufc'
s but i check tonight ant it was available at like 288 kbts and that was way good enough for me. good card, it was lots of fun to watch. im drunk right now so forgive the rambling/gramar.

I really tough that Joe Rogan wa s way out line when he told the guy that lost to the Korena dude that he tought he had won the decision. The judges gave the3 korean the win so Joe should have no reason to express his personal opinion on the result as an interwier in the ring after the fight. I found it to be way out of line.; I f the Korean spoke english I doubt Rogan would have even said that, i know Rogan has big cohones but that was uncalled for.

The lidell KO was something else, wow. a split second later and Evans would have been KO'ed, it wa almost a double KO.

goo ds stuff.

Not even close. Chuck connected with that punch and hit Rashad's armpit. You can see it clearly in the replays. Rashad now holds two of the top five most brutal KO's in UFC history. Hard not to give him a title shot after going undefeated thus far. I think that is the right move...maybe not the popular one, but the right one....I'm glad to see that.

Marquadt looked impressive as usual. I am a huge Kampmann fan, but it looks like he bit off more than he could chew for his first fight back from a devastating injury. Oh wells...he'll be back. I think giving A.Silva to Marquadt again might be too soon, but who else is there?

Franklin fought his usual style and it worked out perfectly as Hamill had no answer. That was a sick cut though.

I was SHOCKED at the balance Palhares showed with all of those kicks. Pretty impressive for a guy with his body frame. Unfortunately if he can't take you down he has some issues.

I thought overall the PPV was solid and the Rashad KO was worth the price of admission.

I've seen very little respect for Evans over the last few pages in this thread. things like "makes me kinda mehhhhhh at the LHW division seeing evans get a shot over all the other insanely good fighters in that division"...

what does a guy have to do? undefeated with one draw in 13 UFC fights. He's beaten everyone he's been asked to beat. If anything, he should be used to show how deep the LHW division is. There's lots of great fighters there and he's one of them.

Had you seen his last 2 fights. Those were 2 boring snoozefests. I dont think anyone was questioning talents but if you have 2 fights like he did against Bisbing and Ortiz he isnt
gonna have too many fans. The Bisbing Evans fight might have been the worst main event I have ever seen.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/5224/lyoto-machi...opportunity.mma
Possible reason Rashad got the shot? I thought Lyoto at first but I can see how Rashad gets it. Is Chuck done? Is another Wandy fight on the way?

meh, I think at this point everyone knows that it'll be a big amount for his pay off





shocking, utterly shocking. I sitll don't know what to say about it, rashad KOFO of liddell





Palhares needs to step up his game. his BJJ was slick and smooth, but he's a one trick pony at this point. His finishing is horrid. He just seemed way too content to use what he was good at with Hendo and that just doesn't work that much

What did you all say when he beat Wanderlei.

So you think Chucks still a contender?

you probably should answer the question before posing one, yes?

went back to the time of the fight and this the ionly comment I made

yes, but on the down slope

not so far that I"d suggest he quit

I wonder if being so loyal to The Pit has cost him dearly in progression

twice as nice

I told the guy at the sports book to pay me.

With Chuck 1-3 in his last 4 you have to figure he has to win 3 straight against top level competition to get another sniff at the title. With his age and what he has shown of late
I cant see him winning 3 in a row against top level competition. If Wandi loses again maybe tey can make a rematch there as that was a highly entertaining fight. A shogun fight
would also be entertaining imo. Both those guys probally would have to lose there next match to have to fight Chuck. Maybe Thiago Silva when he comes back. Who knows how bad.
He could have a concussion and be forced to the sidelines for a long stretch something he cant do at this point in his career. I think Chuck will always add some name value to a card
but not a main event for awhile anyway.

Edit: with the exception of a Anderson Silva fight. Chuck/Anderson would be a huge fight still

My thoughts exactly... tis a sad day for me and MMA. I think the Ice Man is done. (tear)

Who the hell is Wanderlei going to fight? And anyone know the update on the Shogun/Rampage fight in December?

I'm not writing Chuck off. I honestly don't think Chuck has anything to prove to anyone anymore. The guy is a living legend. He has done so much for the UFC and MMA it's unthinkable. In addition, whenever I have seen him at live events, he has been the coolest guy in the world. Always taking ridiculous amounts of time to meet with people, sign autographs, etc. I have to wonder if he is just not seeing things as clearly as he used to. He got caught twice. He's still a great fighter, but I don't want to watch him lose. Nobody does really, except his opponents. It's not like he can pull a Randy and go up to a weaker division. The last thing I would want is for him to be a gate keeper. Styles do make fights, and I'm sure he can beat the majority of people at 205.

Evans is a talented athlete, but I don't think he is a great fighter. He hasn't been in a real war yet. A perfect example. Two guys from the same camp. Marquardt and Evans. Margaurdt is just a beast. Evans is a great athlete. Big difference imo.

I agree.
even crazier in light of the fact so many were saying: "This is a bad match up for Rashad"
his standup was way underrated relative to Chucks. Chuck wasn't just caught, Rashad was getting the left hook in and holding his own

Evans is interesting. He's a very solid wrestler with explosive quickness and now obviously good striking, very fast hands, and knockout power. He had the same problem with nerves vs. Tito that Forest did, and I actually thought he won the Tito fight at the time. I know he had a couple of boring fights, and he needs to be more agressive, but he fights smart fights and seems to gameplan well. I think he's probably underrated in the division, but it's hard to tell because he hasn't fought any of the talented younger guys yet. I think he's a problem for anyone, as good wrestlers with excellent striking usually are. If he adds in some g&p, he could be one of the best in the division.

The Forest/Rashad fight is where the money is now. Because of the t.v show, they are two of the most recognizable names in the weight class, and Rashad is probably more popular than people think. Cockiness and showboating go over well in some circles.

I don't blame Franklin for moving up. There are holes in everyone's game at 205, and almost no one that is a dominant force in any particular discipline of MMA. The division is wide open, and guys who can stay standing, throw in the occasional KO, and avoid submissions are going to do very well in the title picture, particularly if the are exciting and gain the UFC's favor through fun to watch fights.

Chuck isn't done, but he's got some serious problems. He's definitely slower, and he used to be able to make that goofy open stance work because he had fast feet and could take a punch. He's still probably impossible to takedown, and will give the wrestlers who can't box or kickbox problems ala Tito. I think he'd be fun to watch against Forest if forest loses the title, and he matches up great there.

The money fight for UFC is probably Franklin/Lidell, but Franklin better win if he wants to stay in the UFC.

Not sure I agree here when it comes to Rashad. In a division of Chuck, Wandy, possibly Hendo, Franklin, Jardine, Shogun, Rampage, and possibly Lyoto all have cases for being more popular and drawing higher buys in a Forrest fight even to casual fans. I don't think 'casual' fans were watching Rashad on TUF back in 05. Rashad being undefeated helps him, but Thiago Silva and Machida have the same thing going, and I don't think that makes people recognize him. They don't think 'Rashad Evans the guy that's undefeated' they think 'Oh Forrest is fighting an undefeated guy that beat Chuck,' after they see a commercial for it, but similar marketing cases could be thought up for all the above. Not saying Rashad doesn't deserve the fight, just don't really think he's a top marketing fighter in the division right now.

Also:

Anbody else notice Rashad tweaking his nipples when he was standing in his corner before round 1 started?

I wasn't all that surprised that Rashad caught him. Chuck throws those wide and looping shots that leave him open for counters when he misses. I picked Rashad, because I expected him to be elusive. Rashad basically used the same strategy Jardine did minus the leg kicks. He made Chuck be the aggressor, which he doesn't do as well as being a counter puncher.

I'm not that surprised Hamill got ko'd, but his strategy was just dumb. He went for one takedown and got it relatively easily. The rest of the time, he was basically trying to stand and trade with Franklin. His striking still sucks even if it's improved.

Marquardt looked way better than he's ever looked. Usually he throws wide clubbing punches, but in this fight he was very accurate and crisp against a very good striker. He caught Kampmann with a nice head kick and didn't let him recover. Pretty shocking result really as I don't think anyone expected Nate to be able to knock him out standing.

The Hendo fight went as expected to me. Palhares has some very powerful takedowns, he is just terrible setting them up. Against someone else that might work still, but Hendo is still one of the best wrestlers out there. If Palhares can just get his stand-up to an adequate level, he'll be very dangerous.

Did anyone notice the tap in the Pellegrino fight? That was definitely a tap if the armbar in the CB/Amir fight is to be considered a tap as well. Inconsistent rules just kill the sport sometimes. But anyways, that was a nice fight with Pellegrino dominating most of the way. I was shocked at the line in that fight, Tavares has always been overrated to me. I expect a lot of people made out very well with this fight alone.

Overall, I did pretty well. I got the Franklin and Marquardt fights wrong, but picked Macdonald, Rashad, Hendo and Pellegrino correctly.

I missed the event so looked it up.

Doesn't GSP do this also? Is there any real reason rather than making your nipples look cute before you engage in total warfare?

That would be pretty sweet if Rampage/Wandy is on the 91 card. Amir Saddollah is also supposed to be on the card so it should be pretty stacked.
90 might get the lowest buys of the year. A realtively weak card with a lopsided main event also sandwiched 1 week after the free 89 card and 2 weeks before
the outstanding 91 card. If Rampage and Wandy do hook up I would love to see Franklin/Rua fight to be made. Or maybe Machida/Rua.

http://mmamania.com/2008/09/08/evan-tanner...sert-seriously/ don't even want to c&p this

" let’s just hope this isn’t really the end for one of the most eccentric fighters the sport has ever known."

yeah, because whoever it is probably would not contribute as much to society as an MMA fighter.

Sucks though, no matter who it is.

He went out doing what he loves <---- had to say it

http://mmajunkie.com/news/5243/former-ufc-...-dead-at-37.mma

confirmed? I guess

Good quote posted on MMAjunkie which I happen to agree with nearly 100%. I wish he would have gone into what he thinks life should really be about, but he nailed what it shouldn't be about.



It is a shame that in this society we've been taught to judge a man's worth by what he owns instead of who he is. Everything is surface, and so few look beyond it. A man will sell his soul, he will lie, cheat and steal, for money. If he has it, he can buy respect. Wear the right clothes, drive the right car, have the right friends, that's all that matters. Our lives are consumed in a selfish, self absorbed quest for possessions, the latest and the best in a never-ending cycle until the day we die. We forget what it means to be truly human. We forget the things that really matter. We lose the magic of what life should be.

I won't live by rules that make no sense to me.

- Evan Tanner

Not sure what you mean. He died sober, and died doing this stuff. In his blog he talks about staying at the cheapest motels to find the 'real' people. Since his loss to Grove he's traveled around the nation on his motorcycle doing what he wanted and living life according to that quote.

dunno if this frowned upon in this circle, but I successfully watched the main card for free by streaming it uninterrupted from my comp onto my TV at 288kbps. not great quality but it was very adequate and the price was right

I think it's sleasy
But you shouldn't care what I think.

Nothin worse than grappling with dry nips, trust me.

Any chance he was doing it to poke fun at GSP?

It's an inside joke within the Greg Jackson camp.

Anyone that watches WEC, awhile ago Brian Stann fought Steve Cantwell when Stann was the champ, anyone know who won that fight?

cantwell did i believe, cause I remember I stayed up late to watch stann beat his ass and he... didn't.

Good I missed it and when I saw them advertising for it I was hoping Cantwell would win.

Glad to hear he did.

Anybody read Chuck Liddell's autobiography? I just picked it up today.